Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Side of Ham]

I don't think Sullivan is liked by any of his fellow owners throughout the top two tiers of football and he gets a fuck off pill from them and they know he won't follow it up with a top price offer.

[threesixty]

"What's the difference between taking a manager who is in contract vs bidding for a player in contract? Why don't we just go for the manager we need regardless of whether they are in a job or not? I don't understand it. Is it some chivalrous act? By definition, most managers not in jobs are not as good as managers in jobs. Otherwise they'd be in jobs right?"

[Fo the Communist]

Very fitting that the current mess coincides with Saturday's tribute to David Gold. Lest we forget - THIS is David Gold's legacy.

[Swiss.]

*Dyche Ray who better will we attract with the position we are in and a limited transfer budget? The owners have completely fucked up again. Leave the Boleyn and take us the next level. The being the Champioship. What a joke

[Swiss.]

The shortlist to replace the jock dinosaur are: Benitez Santo Dyce Bielsa No exactly inspiring. I wonder how our owners even pick this list. If they had acted before the WC with bar Arsenal 4 winnable games coming up we could have attracted a better pedigree

[ray winstone]

"Seeing Benitez being mentioned after what he did at Everton recently along with Dyche, whose brand of football was nothing more than turgid, I'm hoping we will be aiming a little higher for a replacement."

[Sir Alf]

"Trouble is Zico is that Sullivan, the sycophant's like Pearce and media pundits, ex pros etc none of them cite the obvious lack of pace and movement, inability of many of the squad to pass accurately, lack of pressing and running and how most teams use the ""gegenpress""ù to expose this. It's so obvious that the tactics and formations don't work in part because they are not drilled to play without employing a deep lying, keep the shape and stay compact ""block""ù. To be fair to Murphy he did mention in context of a discussion that West Ham are not a team that is suited to playing to feet and passing out from the back and Neville said a long while back that the Klopp/ Pep approach is now the way to win matches and replaced the Mourinho counter attack model which is close to Moyes methods. Sullivan and others think just buying another striker will fix everything because we can't score goals !!! Simplistic , kinder garden thinking IMO. It won't, we need to be drilled and coached to keep the ball, press relentlessly to get it, move and run relentlessly to create space and openings all over the pitch. We are a striker or two short and wing backs and perhaps another central defender to do it really well but selecting the players suited to playing that way is a start. Lots of coaching needed but we have Paul Nevin and Nolan both from the same school of thinking as Moyes and his sit deep and counter attack thinking. Charles Hughes ghost hanging over us. Moyes ain't turning this around. It would have started to happen if he was. None of us have seen ""green shoots""ù or signs of change in defeats recently just a doubling down on old failed tactics and players. Antonio is a wide player and impact sub at best currently. Cresswell should be emergency cover only, Dawson is moving on but was not part of the solution as he is not comfortable on the ball. Coufal is a hard working lad but too slow and inadequate technically. Soucek is the same. Fabianski will make great saves but cannot use his feet which means when we are pressed there is no option to pass back to him and keep the ball and okay out from the back not that they are coached to do that anyway. Is there a manager available to quickly see the obvious and turn things around? None come to mind other than those that would not come. Give Pochettino a massive short term contract with bonus to keep us up. He might see that as not tying him long term, not being too disloyal to Spuds and a massive financial incentive ? He could lay the groundwork for a modern coach in the summer. Maybe not enough but otherwise it will be Benitez. Again make it short term just to keep us up. Not what we want but just a change of coach / manager will help I think even if the football will be dreadful still?"

[ted fenton]

West Ham consider David Moyes replacements with future in the balance Club would like to give Moyes time but team's form has meant short-term options like Nuno Espirito Santo and Rafa Benitez have been debated Hope not. C&P Telegraph

[RBshorty]

West Ham's success and failure throughout its history has always started and finished in the board room. You can try and tread water. Paper over the cracks. But eventually you get found out. Such a shame for Sullivan. Seeing the exit door is so tantalising close.!

[zico]

"twoleftfeet 11:17 Mon Jan 16 Make you right on that. Add to that the dwindling pace of Cresswell. We were slow before Moyes came as well. He got lucky with Lingard because the team weren't exactly setting the world alight just before that. Which begs the question why he brought in the likes of Scamacca and Paqueta, who are far from quick. Ok he has been unlucky with Cornet who does look rapid but that's only one. I think there has been an impact with losing Alan Irvine as Assistant and also losing Noble. It's no secret that Moyes man management isn't the best and losing two middlemen between players and manager surely doesn't help. I think back to how the wheels came off for Pardew when Peter Grant left."

[Sir Alf]

"southbankbornnbred 11:32 Mon Jan 16 In a nutshell you have largely pinpointed the problems. Lack of pace is a huge part of it and his recruitment shows he does not even see it. We are hurtling to relegation. Those 3 or 4 wins we got early on were not convincing and a tad lucky to say the least but were in hindsight the worse thing to happen as they kept us out of the bottom 3. Sullivan would have been forced to sack him before the WC otherwise and given us a better chance of survival and better managerial candidates. We have the Moyes that was at Sunderland, Real Sociedad now his one dimensional tactics have been exposed and his blind loyalty to old, failing players. Get accustomed to being relegated. We are without doubt the worst team in the league which is no surprise when you have the worst manager and owner. Touché Mr Sullivan, the race to the bottom is almost over. Just one more place and we have found the right place to match the collective failure and ineptitude of your ownership. Despite significant investment your ownership still overcame that to land us rock bottom."

[SJS]

"We need to accept that Moyes is here to stay. The board will not act in time (history tells us this) and they have already (via 'sources') mentioned that if Moyes wasn't the manager and we were in this situation he is the type of manager they would go for. So we need to suck it up, like the suckers they take us for!"

[stewie griffin]

"Iron Duke 11:29 Mon Jan 16 Re: Moyes Out This is really the key point ""ì despite having done it for decades, they're fundamentally shit at running a club. There's no tin foil hat stuff of Sullivan being some kind of Bond villain sitting at home stroking his cat, or not being willing to pay off Moyes, or any of that. It's that they never considered the possibility that it might go wrong. So there is ""ì at least until Friday ""ì no shortlist, no preparations, nothing. They assumed it would be fine. So even someone like Sean Dyche ""ì Everton have made contact, so we are behind there and unlikely to get him. Thus, over the weekend, you get this hastily thrown-together shortlist that is basically a list of available people with premier league experience. The only creditable piece is that they've correctly identified that they're all shit as well."

[southbankbornnbred]

"And if I'm really honest, few owners of football clubs have a 'philosophy' for their club. A few do, granted. But really not many modern owners. If clubs have a 'philosophy' that tends to fall under a long-serving manager. Brighton may well be an exception, granted. Can't think of too many others - because they are mostly driven by economics."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Sullivan doesn't have a 'philosophy' for the club. Since he caught a whiff of the Olympic Stadium's ass, his only plan has been to get his hands on it, sell Upton Park, use Brady to run rings round the civil servants and strike a great (£) deal...then sell up at the first opportunity at a massive profit. To that end, he has almost succeeded in his one major aim. But he couldn't care less about what he now leaves behind (providing he gets his cash). Especially now that his business partner - who gave a little bit more of a shit about the club - has passed away. He's going and he planned to go this summer quite some time ago. He had no 'philosophy' for West Ham other than to make him money."

[Takashi Miike]

"Iron Duke 11:29 Mon Jan 16 they have a succession plan for everything, not just the manager. I think southampton have a similar process in regard to player recruitment. we have a midget that throws darts at the latest panini sticker annual"

[New Jersey]

"Iron Duke - Spot on! I would love to know what Sullivan's philosophy for the club is, he's obviously been very successful in business outside of the club but the management of the club has been a shambles and he's been shown up by the likes of Brighton. If he sold up today he would have made a significant profit and that's probably all he cares about."

[JayeMPee]

"We keep blaming sullivan and I believe he is useless and incompetent, and really has lost all interest in the club now. But what is his position? I understood he was likely to stand down in March of this year and the Czech would take over. Is this the case or just wishful thinking? If he is about to hand over the reigns then surely the position regarding the removal of moyes and the appointment of another manager should be decided by the incoming owner and not the senile idiot who seems determined to bring us down. ."

[southbankbornnbred]

"The issue with Moyes and forwards has been his comeuppance for decades. Ask Evertonians. He has little, if any, idea how to coach strikers. During his management career he has really struggled to get attacking players to buy into his system and his 'methods'. Even we only really thrived under Moyes during that period when Antonio's freak combination of strength and pace, plus his willingness to sprint after hopeless causes and close defenders down, made him a handful. Now that Antonio's injuries appear to have caught up with him, Moyes has lost his willing outlet - and he has little idea how to make use of other attacking talent like Scamacca. Evertonians will tell you this is an age-old problem. ALL of Moyes' coaching work is done in that central block sitting in front of the goalkeeper: centre halves and deep, defensive and hard-working central midfield. Traditionally, it made his sides hard to beat. But he's been found out by the Gegenpress because teams have realised you just press defensive players with bad techniques - and they give the ball away often."

[Iron Duke]

"When Potter went to Chelsea, Brighton already had a shortlist of managers to replace him. They didn't waste any time. Bang - the new manager was appointed. I accept if we can't compete with the big boys in attracting big name managers. I accept that throwing big money at a big name isn't always the answer, because we can't guarantee they will have the transfer funds that they are used to. I won't accept us being outmanoeuvred by the likes of Brighton. We should be leading the way with coaching, recruitment and youth development. Our owners are fucking dinosaurs who haven't got a clue how to run a club like ours efficiently and effectively."

[13 Brentford Rd]

"If we had ambitious and progressive owners who knew how to run a football club then West Ham is an easy sell to any manager. Our location, history and huge attendances and fan base puts us above most clubs. You only have to look at how smaller clubs like Brighton & Brentford to see how it works when you have good owners. However we have David Sullivan."

[twoleftfeet]

"I personally don't think fitness is an issue, we seem to find energy in the last 15 minutes when we are chasing the game. The problem we have is a lack of pace, when we had our purple patch a couple of years ago we had Lingard, Bowen and Antonio all bombing forward at sped and that terrified defences. Now Lingard is gone, Antonio has lost a couple of yards and Bowen just seems to be coasting. We need an injection of pace that's why I would use a couple of the youngsters to add it."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Thank you for that appropriate - if a little surprising - analogy, Russ!"

[RBshorty]

Why does any football fan outside the Sky Six still listen to Talk Sports.? You're feeding the shit. And you're just winding yourself up.!

[stats]

"That Paul idiot said 'get the players fit' and it will all be ok. Jeez, it's ruddy January not pre season FFS and that's half the problem."