Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Stevethehammer]

"The problem we are going to have now is rotation I think. Moyes doesn't like to rotate the squad and bring everyone in to play their part be it in the cups or within the league, he has form for doing it apart from absolute dead rubbers. It will be the same usual team with a few tweaks but having a few players in the squad such as Downes who probably won't get a look in and someone like Emerson who Moyes will blow hot and cold with, it will create division within the team. Players such as Areola can't be happy with the situation and Moyes never changes the vast majority of the team to make a statement, such as play bad, out of form you won't play etc. It cannot be good for you to go to training day in day out knowing you aren't going to get picked or even get minutes from the bench as again. Moyes doesn't like to make changes. On paper we have a team that will survive no problem, the only thing is and the Common denominator... Moyes We are on a decent little run of form but you just know at some point he will go back to his usual tactics, team selection etc and we will be in the shit then. I don't trust him to get us out of it."

[CanningTownWA]

"Manuel You have highlighted the two big issues : ""We have the best squad""ù, the question is so why are we nearly bottom? ""When fully fit""ù, so again why didn't we buy anyone apart from broken Ings and shipping out Dawson? The answer is Moyse to both and that's why he is going to cost us. Not digging you out or criticising btw"

[Manuel]

"Steve - Yep, we're in a battle for sure. I might be wrong, but we still probably have the best side down there, when everyone is fit, or most anyway, and that is where our hope lies? Also, being in Europe and Thurs/Sun games could work against us."

[Stevethehammer]

"Same response Forest have signed so many players, I don't see how anyone can be happy there. Literally about 25 players signed in 2 windows and they have even shifted out one signed in the summer. The fat Greek is having a field day with his money but I don't think it will come back to bite him on his massive arse. They will be alright Leeds I think will be good especially with Gnoto playing well Southampton seem to have something about them Everton could well turn it around under Dyche Bournemouth I think will struggle Leicester will be just about okay Wolves will pull well clear Us.... Well don't look too promising does it CanningTownWA 9:32 Thu Feb 2 Re: January window"

[CanningTownWA]

"I posted this on The January Transfer thread As a summary on the clubs fighting relegation: Forest, Southampton, Wolves - 6 new players Bournemouth - 5 new players Leeds - 4 new players Leicester - 3 new players West Ham -1 new player (- Dawson) Everton - 0 new palyers (-Gordon) It would not be a surpise if that's how the league table ended up"

[Side of Ham]

"Nick QQQ, even the twoleftfeets amongst our support won't be able to argue those facts.....which most of us have been complaining about for over a year now......."

[Sir Alf]

"Nick, best summary of our problems I've seen ( better than my verbal diarrhoea versions ). The lack of pace would be the other mention which was not addressed in recruitment because Moyes and Nevin don't see it or think they need it using the early 2000s Moyesball counter attack approach ( his only plan / tactic ). One dimensional dinosaur"

[Nick QQQ]

"We don't play posession football. It's a myth. We play the same way we have since Moyes has been here but other teams have figured us out, press the slow players who have limited technical ability (full backs, Soucek) and get double up where we have pace (Bowen) and give Antonio 2 yards so he can get in behind. As a result w me give the ball away a lot and don't create much. Moyes can't do anything about it though. That's the problem. He is adamant his ""experience""ù is going to come to avail by doing he same things he always has. It's the rot we have seen for ages, just more obvious now else actually have new players as well who suffer the same."

[Lee Trundle]

Moyes definitely talked at the start of the season saying he wanted to pay more possession football. Possession STATS from 21/22 season: 47.7% Possession STATS from 22/23 season: 44.5% Another failure.

[Sir Alf]

"When u put it like that Trundle it's hard to argue against. I must optimism get the best of me ;-) Btw, do we all remember, at the start of the season, Moyes saying it would take time fir the new players to integrate into the team ? It was said in a way that pointed to them being brought up to speed with the Premiership and the club, living in London etc. I reckon it was more about Moyes and Nevin having no tactical plan worked out to play differently and effectively use them. Well that's what it looks like as we are set up in the same formation until very recently, still sit deep, stay in shape ( static positions with little movement and fluidity ) and end up wellying it long when pressed and most frustrating if all he continues to pick a goalkeeper who is immobile and cannot use his feet at all so anything that is passed back to Fab is the same as turning over possession as it hits it 70 yards in hope of Antonio or Bowen out jumping , out pacing 4,or 5 defenders. Only thing we do now is this slow passing and build up back and forth to try and play out through the thirds but it's so slow it doesn't work and we get to the attacking third at best before losing it with a poor pass or have to turn back as the team is not moving enough and lacks the pace to. So we have reduced the long diagonals we used to rely on in a quick transition that got a lot of goals. It was sussed out anyway but we don't do it now. We also got rumbled on set pieces but dont even try getting decent crosses into the mixer but try to do some very poor and slow imitation of City, Arsenal and the good possession based teams. A complete ""hodge podge""ù mess tactically from Messrrs Moyes, Nevin and ably assisted by Nolan, Mckinlay. Warbarton was brought in to help play more possession based but has largely been ignored from rumours I heard from someone who's a mate of Warbarton s ?"

[Takashi Miike]

"I disagree about deteriorating slowly, it was clear in early october that he had to go. no surprise the dwarf's propaganda team are sticking the boot in after the transfer window closed, continually trying to shift the attention away from that poisonous cսnt that sanctions the deals"

[Lee Trundle]

*to one of the worst teams

[Lee Trundle]

"I think you're being a bit generous saying the deterioration has been a slow process, Sir Alf. We went from being the 4th best team in the league in the calendar year 2021, to one of teams in the league in 2022. That's quite a spectacular fall from grace."

[Sir Alf]

"Manual you're point is valid. But, and of course it's just an opinion, our form and way we play has been deteriorating slowly for 10-12 months and resulted in us being unable to create good chances and score. We don't have hall much either against any team and it seems Moyes and Nevin have 8 new players that are not suited to the style we still play which is counter attack and sitting deep, compact. And can it change effectively because we painfully lack pace. We beat Everton and got a decent result against Derby but we again deployed the sit deep model. I hope we find a way to score a few more goals as this system they use is one Moyes has always employed and ""the man is not for turning""ù :-( I hope we run into a 10 game run of decent results for once this season but see no obvious signs yet of how that will be done. Hopefully as you say 3 other teams will be worse but they have all taken steps to change things so have to hope those steps fail for 3 of them ( Southampton, Everton, Bournemouth, Leeds, Wolves, Leicester or Forest)"

[Manuel]

"Like I said it's way too early still, think about it unless you are cut adrift how can you confidently predict who will drop at this point, it's just guessing, pure and simple. Say 35 points keeps you up in 17th and 34 points puts you down in 18th, no one can predict now how the season will end when it will most likely come down to those type of thin lines, you may not know still even with one or two games left. We will most likely stay up based on the usual default reason that there is almost always 3 more shit teams than you."

[Stevethehammer]

"We had a top 6 squad in 2002/03 and still went down Moyes is like Roeder mk2. All noise, but all piss and wind in the main"

[marty feldman]

20/21 season.

[marty feldman]

We have the best squad down there by far as I keep saying.. and won't go down despite having Moyes in charge. The players will see to that . The same ones saying were down were the same ones at the start of the 20/21 saying we wouldn't get a point in the 1st 8 games and were nailed on for relegation. How did that turn out .

[terry-h]

"Just looked at Sunderland's record when Moyes relegated them in 2016/17. Position 20th Total points 24 16 points less than the club in 17th position. Yes, I can see he will have no trouble in saving us..."

[terry-h]

"twoleftfeet Gary O'Neil has a worse squad than Moyes and is only one point behind, so I would say Moyes is the inferior manager in comparison."

[twoleftfeet]

""" worse manager in the relegation area "" Worse than the Bournemouth boss? Wow."

[Sir Alf]

"Yeah I lose track of time Mercenary :-) That run of defeats after the WC I meant. ""Down with Moyesiah , we're going down with Moyesiah""ù"

[The Mercernary]

"Sir Alf: ""I am still astounded Moyes did not go just on January form alone."" Presumably you mean December (or the full year of 2022 etc based on your previous comments)? January form is the best we've been for ages: Played 5 Won 3 Drawn 1 Lost 1 For 7 Against 3 Four of those games were away too."

[terry-h]

"I think Sir Alf is correct about our future prospects. After watching teams like Forest, Leeds and Wolves recently, they have a momentum about them that makes me pessimistic. I can't see a worse manager than Moyes in the relegation clubs. We will most likely join Bournemouth and Everton in the dreaded drop."

[Russ of the BML]

Manuel 11:46 Wed Feb 1 So you'll predict who's going down on 1st April? Blimey. Nostradamus has got nothing on you.