Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Manuel]

"I would tend to believe the Benitez narrative there, I think he is in the past now as far being our manager, and let's be honest we're not going to go near Bielsa. I suppose it's fairly obvious why he only wants a short term manager and fits the reasoning why he is hanging on with Moyes as long as he possibly can while 17th is still achievable."

[Willtell]

"C&H have made an attempt to give a reason why Sullivan is sitting on his hands. It's reminiscent of Putin's PR waffle and made me smile. Little does Sullivan realise he gives away his own failings. The article confirms that Sullivan wants a PL experienced manager and only on a short term contract. Forget false reports ""ì Benitez not wanted Posted by Hugh5outhon ""...only he (Benitez) and Macelo Bielsa are currently available and neither will take the job unless they get a three and a half year deal. It's hugely important this is understood because the Hammers want neither of them and have told us so. Benitez turned them down for Real Madrid at the same time as they rejected Bielsa for Slaven Bilic and neither are in the running at this time. Quite simply right now no Premier League experienced managers are available and that remains the West Ham board's problem."" This confirms that Sullivan looks in too small a pond of eligible managers and if he gets it wrong yet again he gets shot of the problem at season's end. Thanks for confirming that Sullivan holds WHU back as much as Moyes does! No vision. No oversight of future potential managers. No idea - just power of wealth."

[Ron Eff]

"stewie griffin 11:19 Wed Feb 22 Completely agree. Especially Joe Cole. Maybe doesn't articulate himself quite like Lampard with all the clichés in the book, but without doubt understands the game better. Meanwhile Rio Ferdinand neither articulates well, or talks a good book."

[Sir Alf]

"Good to hear Stewie , I agree excelling in the academic sphere has little to do with the kind of intelligence needed. It will be about having a process or path on the football side, setting up the academy, establishing a playing philosophy and style that starts with the kids. He hints at that but I wondered how deep his thinking and understanding of the game is. He will know what you need as a player obviously and has spoken about West Ham having to develop its own talent due to its inability to compete with the very rich. As mentioned, he cites Benfica buying a player for less than a million and selling him for 50+'within a year as something we need to do. So some encouraging noises. I have not met him so wondered if anyone that had was able to offer insights. Hopefully he will go look at the Brighton's and others and start to finally get West Ham running a lot more effectively. Will take a few years but let's pray he is successful because we've been waiting a lifetime for someone with joined up thinking and emotional intelligence on tge football side of the club :-)"

[stewie griffin]

"many different types of intelligence, alf son. He's not that cսnt Lampard with all his A levels and all that bollocks. But as fats0's abject management failure in management shows, it's completely worthless. There's a good reason that alongside Henderson, Noble headed up the premier league captains - he's massively respected, well liked, highly thought of, and I'd take his brain at the club over Lampard's any day of the week. As a complete aside, have always found the same with Joe Cole as a pundit - sounds like a retard, talks about and understands the game better than any of the rest of them bar none."

[Sir Alf]

Anyone really know Noble? How intelligent is he or isn't he? Comes across as a bit more of a thinker than most footballers but does he really have a wider understanding of what clubs need to do? Hopefully he will go look at Brighton and he has spoken about Benfica and how they get young players and sell them at a profit. Let's hope he is a smart bloke and a quick learner who can start to guide the footballing side of things. The bar is low so he must glyavexa chance of improving things?

[stewie griffin]

"Can understand why you would think that, coyi son (although the fact that boots agrees should be enough confirmation that you're wrong on this one), but again fwiw, he's very far removed from being a company man or along for the ride. His standing at the club allows him to challenge things in a way that no one else can. Just because he doesn't TWEET about it or whatever all the cunts are using these days, doesn't mean he doesn't do it. Just means he handles himself with a modicum of decency and class. And yes, he does spend some time with the kids. I'd look more closely at the unspoken piece of that - I.e. no one else does, they're completely disconnected from the first team, don't feel like there's a pathway which is why they've all been leaving. Would suggest it's probably not a bad place to start if your job is about trying to build a sustainable long term model"

[13 Brentford Rd]

"The Standard has it spot on tonight. Sums up everything that is wrong with the club and why until Sullivan and Moyes go we will always be a joke! They note how he's been backed with 200m since the summer and how we are one of the richest clubs in the world with the 2nd biggest attendances in the UK. They say ""his approach and downbeat comments belong to a club with far smaller means"" and that ""he must start thinking and acting as though he is in charge of a big club"""

[Charoo]

"Stewie - good post that, agree with you. Jobs for the boys or not, Noble only been in his role since Jan. He needs to learn his trade and role, first time he's ever had to wear big boy pants in his life. Is it a waste of time and money? Maybe but maybe not. We waste enough money in other areas - see cunthead Brady for example or list pretty much any of our 50 plus strikers over the last decade. Give him time, see what he can achieve and build. For me success is promoting the youth, building a better scouting system and playing in a defined way from first team to under 8's with a shared ethos and vision. Those are the metrics on which he should be judged and that will take time to implement."

[LeroysBoots]

"Agree with all of that Met Noble a few years back in Austria when they were doi g pre season Was a great bloke with the kids but I do agree, only at West Ham would they give an ex player that role straight after playing"

[Come On You Irons]

"Noble's job, to me, appears to be money for old rope and a classic case of 'jobs for the boys'. Noble is a classic company man. He was employed under the idiotic owners for 12 years as no bigger club wanted him, so they have rewarded his 'loyalty' with a non-job with a fancy title. Noble even admitted recently in an article in the Standard that he trains with the youth team. He's basically a non-playing player with a boardroom title and does little else but train with the youth team. His appointment is madness and the club is still a complete circus (despite his sycophantic comment in May 2016)!"

[stewie griffin]

"SullyHammer 1:15 Wed Feb 22 Re: Moyes Out As Sporting Director what is Noble's role exactly? I read he was more in a scouting role trying to push the youth players through? I cannot see him being anywhere near the first team in terms of making decisions. Moyes has final say the know it all cսnt. Fwiw, Noble's role is about the club, rather than the team. If you look over the past 13 years or whatever it is the two cunts have been in charge; our transfer spending has typically been pretty high on a net basis, mostly because we generate so little from player sales. Someone has 5-10 good games, and gets rewarded with a ridiculously large contract that keeps them til their mid-30s. Our wage bill has, as a result, always been similarly high relative to our success, or lack thereof. Addiionally, we've been through a lot of managers. A lot of names, each one requiring a rebuild because their playing styles are completely different, and because they typically inherit an ageing squad, as outlined above. So any success is short lived, the players then decline in ability, the manager gets sacked, and we reubuild again, have a good year or two....rinse and repeat. So..in short, his role is continuity. I try to steer clear of terms like ETHOS and PHILOSOPHY, but that's fundamentally what it is, its to design the club in a way that enables a longer term possibility of achievement rather than the constant fire drills. What he's actually doing on a daily basis is vastly different."

[New Jersey]

"Moyes success has been with a tight group of players, small squad, reliant on set-pieces and counter attacking. It brought him relative success with Everton and with us. When he has larger squads he's fucked, he hasn't got a clue what to do with them and he's far too stubborn to change."

[Lee Trundle]

"Other than the roles both having ""director"" (which is a meaningless title in this day and age) attached to them, what's made you jump to that conclusion?"

[nychammer]

"""He will play to protect the point, anything else is a bonus"" A point is worse that winning or losing - Win and our chances remain alive (albeit Moyes stays) - Lose and we must SHIRLEY see the end of Moyes (albeit a nail in our coffin but new manager = hope) A draw is a fucking horrible result as it's both a huge nail in our coffin AND the board likely hold fire on Moyes. WIN or LOSE please - I will go a nervy scrappy 2-1 Hammers and on we roll with the moysesaurus"

[Willtell]

Yes Lee - that might be why they have different job titles do you think? As I said I think Noble is there to learn the job of DOF ready for Sullivan going...

[Lee Trundle]

Sporting Director and Director of Football are completely different jobs.

[Willtell]

"Sully Hammer ""As Sporting Director what is Noble's role exactly?"" --------------------------------------------- Good question. I was thinking about this yesterday and came to the conclusion that Noble is there to learn the job to be ready for when Kretinsky takes over and Sullivan stops being DOF..."

[LeroysBoots]

"Moyes come across as a tinpot dictator, his way or the highway Sullivan let him be this way to appease him when they brought him back Unfortunately his methods are circa 1997, he is out of touch and out of his depth in the modern game He is skeptical of talented players, preferring workmanlike who put a shift in He is no doubt wary of sporting directors or anyone who tells him what to do What is the point of Newman and Noble to him Every other club seem to have embraced the game in the 21st century except this cսnt The ONLY saving grace and odd good result is because we do have good players that do click occasionally Yet we quickly revert to type under this over cautious twat His set up for this Saturdays game will show quite clearly he inherently cannot change his ethos He will play to protect the point, anything else is a bonus At home, needing to win, a high intensity approach with 2 forwards and attacking philosophy should be our mantra, we all know he can't or won't adopt that style"

[Come On You Irons]

"Manuel 1:08 Wed Feb 22 Re: Moyes Out Exiled - Your opinion mate. Many thought at that point we were still a pull for two out of work managers. You clearly don't value as a club much, fine, but others see us as a good option, or did then. London based, 62000 crowds, a board that invest in players, etc etc. ____ Alternatively: not won a major trophy for 43 years. Relegated more times (4) than finished in the top six (2) during this time. Never won the English football league. Has been relegated from the top division more times (6) than the number of major honours won (4) etc. etc."

[SullyHammer]

"As Sporting Director what is Noble's role exactly? I read he was more in a scouting role trying to push the youth players through? I cannot see him being anywhere near the first team in terms of making decisions. Moyes has final say the know it all cսnt. But it is depressing reading how we have plummeted so quickly simply by two staff members leaving. What the hell is Nolan, Warburton, Nevin and Mckinlay doing exactly? Warburton and Mckinlay were first team managers at other clubs so they have experience and Nevin has been involved with the England first team, so they're no mugs. Nolan is a relatively newish coach but an ex-footballer so they should all know there stuff. But if you have a bottle neck in Moyes that won't listen then what made him listen to Pearce and Irvine prior??"

[Manuel]

"Exiled - Your opinion mate. Many thought at that point we were still a pull for two out of work managers. You clearly don't value as a club much, fine, but others see us as a good option, or did then. London based, 62000 crowds, a board that invest in players, etc etc."

[Side of Ham]

"whu - also with respect mate, they could do both seeing as they are very successful businessmen? They also may not have a choice seeing as the next temporary appointment could easily be a disaster as well.."

[ATBOG]

"it'll be Warburton. Cheapest and most convenient option for the dwarf, whose name must be the most toxic in football circles."

[Exiled In Surrey]

"Manuel 1:03 Wed Feb 22 To think back in Nov we were talking about Poch and Tuchel as potential suitors. Not all of us were that deluded. GSB and Poch ag ag ag, If its not Rafa then its that bloke at West Brom."