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Moyes Out ( Released )
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Moyes Out ( Released )
"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"
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"Lose, or draw to Villa, Sullivan could finally panic and pull the trigger and with a 3 week break until the next PL it would be a good time to bring someone else in. Then you add in all the alleged girly dressing room unrest and people falling out, bless their cotton socks they are usually all giggling together, high fiving each other and jumping on each others banks the fucking retards, then that maybe enough for Sullivan to get rid. Will we beat Villa though, hard to say, as the previous two must wins Everton and Forest Moyes typically pulled out a win, but I'd suggest Villa will be a bigger test and they have won their last two."
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"Potter has absolutely no background of going in and galvanising a club. He's a slow builder, but I think we're all seeing his shortcomings now, definitely doesn't have the strength of character for a big club. The more I think about it, and this is taking into consideration our owners and the clear requirements they have with appointing managers, I'd sling the job to PARDS. Nowhere near my personal first choice (please read and understand that FFS), but given the criteria (has to have managed in the Prem, not in a job, happy with a short contract etc) I reckon he'd be the best bet. Attacking football, brings an air of confidence about him, and really understands this football club. Yes, it's become that desperate."
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"A new manager. Whoever that may be. Or even Warburton, Noble or Nolan could come in and make numerous changes to what the fuck has been going on. As SBBB said, they don't all have to be substantial. Just tweaks and minor changes to create some fluidity and positivity to our play that will allow us to increase the tally of chances we create."
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"My sources at the club have told me (off the record of course) that the dressing room is toxic and the players don't respect Rice as a leader and captain. They think his ego is out of control and he makes it obvious that he can't wait to exit. The players also don't respect Moyes for his negativity and poor man management. So the combination of a negative, unapproachable manager who has lost the respect of the players and a captain that the players can't stand makes the situation toxic. Little wonder is was Noble who organised the amateur hour dressing room party after the Forest win."
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"Sbbb - well said. That sums it all up. (That's how I meant to put it earlier, of course!)"
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Potter will get the sack tonight after Chelsea lose again so maybe we can offer him a contract
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"And some might say ""but if our players in key positions are poor, then changing manager now won't help'. But it will. You can play Paqueta deeper more regularly, or Downes ahead of the non-passing Soucek. You can play a higher or deeper back line. You can switch to 3-5-2 and get another striker closer to Scamacca (if he ever returns) etc etc. There are a few looks and changes that might freshen things up and keep opponents guessing. At the moment, we are analytically the most predictable side in the Premier League. Because Moyes is so inflexible. Even when he has changed formations, it has generally been to be park even more players in his much-loved central zone in front of the back line. As Rice has indicated, you can't just sit there defending that zone for 90 minutes."
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"I think it's just a case of 'make the change' at this point. Regardless of who is to blame, when you have a situation in which players are arguing with the manager about tactics, and clearly failing to play for him and put their bodies on the line, then there can be only one outcome. You can't sell every player mid-season. If you change one thing about the current set up, it's pretty obvious what it should be. There are some appointments you could make, on a temporary basis until the end of the season, which would help freshen things up and change the attitude in the dressing room. It would also keep the analysts guessing about our tactics for the first time in two years. One of the main reasons Moyes has been found out is that it no longer takes computer analysis to work us out - everybody knows how to press the shit out of West Ham's (technically) poor defenders and deep midfielders."
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"I reckon DS is getting ready to sack Moyes but there's no ready made cheap replacement with PL experience as his excuse. That means when he does sack him it will be Noble with Warburton, Nevin and Nolan overseeing the coaching for the last 9 or 10 games. A bit like when we kept bringing an unwilling Sir Trev back..."
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"stewie griffin 10:51 Tue Mar 7 Re: Moyes Out Cheers Griff. I thought that might be the case. It has certainly looked like an unhappy camp for a few months, as results have got worse and confidence has sapped away. But, you're right, no matter how bad the manager is - and he is terrible at this point, having been found out and without the savvy to change or innovate - the players have to take some responsibility. A few looked like they just gave up at the weekend: repeatedly failing to do the basics. The amount of time Welbeck - fucking Danny Welbeck! - had in a central area to get his shot off for his goal showed that. He had what felt like an hour and nobody closed him down. It was truly awful. Moyes may well be terrible, and the players may not be playing for him. But professional footballers have to do the basics irrespective. At the moment, we seem to have a toxic mix of out-of-date manager, poor dressing room because of that, and players shirking basic responsibilities. Surely enough is enough?"
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I think 37 + keeps you up. I've said for a while we'll end on 32 max. There's not a cat in hells chance we're gonna win another 5 games.
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"this is the last opportunity to ditch him really, after the break its gonna be a run of important games. we'll see how keen the players are to get a result at the weekend, the game in cyprus is no benchmark."
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"If the players have 'downed tools' then that could be the end of Moyes. If I remember correctly, the Leicester players downed tools to get rid of Ranieri and Chelsea did it to Mourinho the second time around and maybe Fat Frank. I don't think it's the money why Sullivan hasn't sacked Moyes, £7m is nothing to a billionaire and he certainly acted decisively and paid out to get rid of Slav and Pelligrini . I think it's sheer incompetence from Sullivan."
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"One of the players (Prob Rice) shld ave opened their gobs months ago and told the sweaty Flintstone straight, that his tactics and negative shit was pissing em all off and dragging them (and us, the loyal supporters), down. And kept on at him. It might ave well already been brought up, but hes's a stubborn c""ît, so wld ave copped a deaf'un anyway. (And made his bum-chum soucek captain!) We're bound beat the Cypriots and the Yippee-I-a, Yippee-I-o Dick emery XI now and he'll think he's won the World Cup. I don't know how we've all bit our tongues over there so far, but I'm sure they'll be a doom laden atmosphere over there Sunday and will get nasty whether we fall behind or not. Let's fuckin hope so. Can't wait for him and the midget etc to fuck off out of our great club. Greedy bastards the lot of em."
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"he cannot and won't change - that's why sully is the only one that can actually change things but as stated, doesn't want to pay moyes the compo. very short sighted when relegation is now a huge possibility. 60/40 relegated my guess in the eyes of neutrals and on prem form. fucking state to be in. amateur in this arena is sullys middle name but not when it comes to skimming the £note pot - him and karen are experts. how is 'the brand' and 'customer satisfaction' karen? blagging liar ..."
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"Doesn't look good does it? I guess we are stuck with him. Hopefully Nolan, Warburton and a few other coaches have had a strong conversation with him behind the scenes and Moyes adopts a different approach. Unfortunately, I don't think he's for changing. I don't think he knows how to change tactics. It's just so embedded in him to be defensive first. It has meant he survived for years without ever winning anything and the tragedy is, that when he does retire he will do so with millions in the bank. He doesn't manage the team. He manages his career as a survivor..."
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"southbankbornnbred 9:35 Tue Mar 7 Re: Moyes Out the players have been unhappy for a long time - stories like that are just them excusing themselves for the debacle. Moyes is worse than Grant, but the players aren't blameless either, they've allowed the dressing room to be a toxic environment, which is completely different to where it was the last couple of years."
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"The inaction by that cսnt Sullivan is purely down to finances He would we rather rot then pay out for compensation to the idiot Moyes What other profession do you get rewarded handsomely for failure?, apart from politics!?!"
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"If you are going o the basis you are only as good as your last result, then we are absolutely abject. I struggled to think when we last played that badly. In the next 8 games (in no speciific order) we face: I see us getting no points from these Arsenal (h) Liverpool (h) Newcastle (h) Fulham (a) Where we might get a point Villa (h) Palace (a) Where we must pick up 3 points Bournemouth (a) Southampton (h) Thats 8 points in total (we have 5 points from our last 5 games so conceiveable. That would put us on 31 points with 4 to play.. Man U (h) They are after europe loose Brentford (a) They are after Europe loose Leeds (h) win? Leicester (a) last game of the season a need to win to stay up? That would be 37 points.. In the last 10 seasons 37 points would have kept you up in 4 of them, given how tight the bottom of the table is this season that might be enough We all know any change realistically is really too late and that is down to the board ignoring the facts and beleiving the Moyes hyperbole. Its going to be a ceefax couple of months (always reminds me of when we were in relegation battles watching the scores update) squiggy bum time."
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Nicey 10:06 Tue Mar 7 Maybe the best thing would be to bring BFS back for a couple of years. What do you think?
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"Moyes and his followers will get the best result I fear. He gets booted, we try and attack more but struggle to get the points and go down. Moyes and his media chums will roll out the nonsense that he obviously knew what he was doing and we went down because we deserted Moyes' cautious approach. Failing to acknowledge the state we were in before he was booted. It will fill this site with arguments for years to come."
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"Just read a story re Ten Hag. After they got smashed by Liverpool they were advised to ""stay here, shut up and listen to the home fans celebrate"" and ""you're lucky to be coming home on the bus and not going home with fans"". Now can you EVER imagine a post match talk like that from Moyes? Exactly...."