Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[COOL HAND LUKE]

"Recent comments from Moyes suggest he is quite openly 'looking after number one' now i.e. he is going to sit it out and get his money one way or the other, although it does sound like he would be more than happy to take a pay-off and leave early. This attitude goes back to the very end of last season - Moyes apparently had a sizeable bonus riding on making the top six, but then we lost to BHA last game. Moyes apparently felt he deserved at least some of the bonus considering how close he had come, but Sully (rightly, if so) said ""No, you either made it or you didn't."" That then set the scene for this season, where Moyes never looked the ticket right from the off. I was after sacking him six games in - it was already clear he was just going to keep failing and waffle his way along - but it looks like it has become a dangerous game of brinkmanship between Moyes and Sully now."

[El Scorchio]

"I think he's done at the end of the season regardless or who is in charge of the club or what happens on the pitch. It's a bigger issue than staying up or going down now, or winning the EC or not. There will be backlash from some of the media but it would be the right decision. We won't magically change the way we play, the players won't magically be coached differently to do different things. There's a huge risk of next season turning out just like this one. Clearly several of them are unhappy and will want out if he's still here. As mentioned previously, if it comes to replacing 5-10 players or the manager, it's a no brainer. There will also be several more options available to whoever the owner is in the summer. Clean slate with this squad and a bit of cash to spend makes us a far more attractive proposition than we are now. Even moreso if the ownership has changed. If Moyes survives until the end of the season, even if we win the EC, I don't in any way see him being in charge at the start of next season."

[Russ of the BML]

Personally I think whatever happens this is the last season for Moyes.

[Lee Trundle]

"""What worries me though is that if he keeps us up, wins the Conference league, he will be kept on for longer!!"" Yeah, it's a bit of a weird one that. There's no way you'd sack him if we do go on to win it. But looking at the teams left, especially with Lazio losing the 1st leg last night, then there's not one team we should fear. I'm not sure what would be the bigger surprise. West Ham winning something decent in my lifetime, or Moyes actually winning something in his career."

[SullyHammer]

"stewie griffin 12:08 Wed Mar 8 Thanks for the abridged version. Yes i am sure there is lots that will come out and it does seem to be very toxic. What worries me though is that if he keeps us up, wins the Conference league, he will be kept on for longer!"

[Russ of the BML]

Lee Trundle 11:07 Wed Mar 8 Absolutely 100% spot on. As per my gangrenous foot analogy. We need to save the body by lopping off the foot. Moyes is the absolute reason these players aren't getting results. They don't respect him and aren't buying into whatever mis-shapen and unwieldy plan he has. He's lost them. And we would be much better off without him around haunting everybody with his fucking shitty negative attitude and plethora of excuses.

[stewie griffin]

"Sully - if you can be arsed to go back a couple of days, I explained the manager situation/Sullivan. There's certain things that are opinion, certain things i know, that post is the latter. If you can't be arsed, very abridged version is that Sullivan has a very limited box of managers to choose from. If you box yourself in the way he does, he may not be wrong to stick, and back the players to get us out of it. Only time will tell on that. But, for me, it misunderstands exactly how bad Moyes is. Some of what goes on will come out eventually, but now probably isn't the right time, just have to hope that the players can find enough to get us over the line."

[SullyHammer]

stewie griffin 11:40 Wed Mar 8 So if we go down we are stuck with Sullivan for the foreseeable as there is no way any serious investor is going to buy him out at an overinflated valuation of the club. So then the decision to not sack Moyes is even more baffling as he has a personal interest for the club to be as secure as possible. Perhaps delusion has kicked in or he genuinely thinks he is the man to keep us up.

[stewie griffin]

"what trundle said. Fwiw, there's no magic deal structure. Sullivan has wanted to sell the club for a while. His valuation put off any serious interest (there's been a fair few look at it). November 21 he agrees an option price with Kretinsky. Key word is really option. The price is fixed, but its optional whether Kretinsky or anyone else takes it up. Its at a value that is (imho) ridiculously out of step with a club that plays n a rented - and already run down - athletics stadium. The value of the club plummets if we go down, so neither Kretinsky nor anyone else is going to pay that price."

[claypole]

"If Jim "" surrounded and jostled the co-owners"" White is backing Moyes, then I'm back onboard"

[SullyHammer]

"Manuel - I don't know how the deal works with the sell of the club but assume some kind of deal has been struck behind the scenes, will it be based on the proviso that the club stay up is the big question? What if they don't, there must be a clause that states the price will be lower if that scenario happens. If that clause is there, you know Sullivan won't want to lose money. After all the whole point of the move / securing our PL position / making us more attractive was so he could flog us for a massive profit and the fact that this is now crumbling before his eyes must mean he is also panic stricken. UNLESS a deal has been struck and no clause then he won't give a monkeys either way."

[Manuel]

"Sully - True, but he will push the panic button at some point. He won't sit by forever and watch a few hundred mil go down the swanny, no matter what some might say. Also, if it turns toxic over there he'll be left with little choice anyway."

[Lee Trundle]

Getting rid of Moyes is now more important than who the replacement might be. I'd quite happily go the rest of the season managerless instead of having Moyes here.

[SullyHammer]

"simon.s 9:17 Wed Mar 8 We thought that after the Leicester game (where we had lost 4 in a row) going into the WC. We thought it after the Brentford game losing 2 in a row coming back from the World cup. We thought that after the Brighton game. If we lose to Villa, I am sure we will think the same again but it most likely won't happen."

[simon.s]

"He'll be gone if we lose to Villa. The atmosphere will turn toxic, and Sullivan is all about self preservation. Moyes probably know this is his last chance too."

[Manuel]

"Yes, but still premature and even if we lose to Villa he may not pull the trigger? Many variables at play now, i.e who is available, is it true that the players have given up on Moyes, will still being in Europe save Moyes, that's just three for starters."

[Coffee]

You may have answered your own question there.

[Manuel]

"Why all the non stop talk of who the new manager might be when Sullivan still hasn't sacked Moyes? Granted, if we lose to Villa it may finally happen, but who knows."

[nychammer]

"we're literally too much of a gamble at this late point in the season for anyone looking to build or stake a reputation on keeping us up. Thats Carrick out at least for now. It has to be and out of work mercenary looking for a payday. Probably why we got Moyes in when Worzel got sacked, now we're looking for the same. Smells of BFS to me."

[Charoo]

"It's literally any other voice than Moyes. The place needs a lift, the only way we get one is cuntchops leaving. He is like a constant dark, cold, damp winter of depression, spreading his arrogant gloom everywhere he goes. Players need to go play and attack, be brave and play with freedom."

[Willtell]

"As Eerie said, Sullivan is looking at a pool of ex-PL managers out of work and prepared to take a short term appointment for a big bonus. There are very few credible candidates which is probably why Moyes still has a job""¶ Forget Carrick. He's going to stick with Middlesbrough and get them promoted to PL if he can. More credibility than saving WH. In fact forget any top manager now on a short contract. It just ain't happening. It's going to be someone already at WH or Moyes""¶"

[Side of Ham]

So Noble has only been in the dressing room for that Forest game.....do me a favour.....the players knew they had to get the points just like they did with the Everton game....if he was that key to a change in fortunes they'd make him present for every game.....stop undermining the fact it's the players who are pissed off with the managers set-up and no cսnt not even Noble can get them to play this well.

[goose]

Stubbo - it wasn't a dig at you intentionally. We seem to have this obsession of always looking backwards when appointing managers. Do other clubs do it? Arteta aside I can think of a successful one at the moment. Other managers seem just as capable of arriving at a new club and making an impact without previous ties to the club.

[aldgate]

Watching Haller against Chelsea you just know we'll be watching scamacca play for someone else in the champions league soon

[Pedro]

Bielsa would be fun. Score more than we concede approach. Plus plays the youngsters and builds a style of play throughout the age groups. If not that Carrick for me.