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"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"
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"you're defending a bloke that's committed close to ¬£200m in signings then watched an incompetent cսnt have no idea how to use these players, and in doing so lose value on the players as every game passes but yes, let's praise his loyalty to managers üëç"
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"And if you look at the players signed, those given a go (Kehrer aside) are largely improvements...Aguerd, Paqueta, Emerson...all clear improvements now in the side. Cornet when fit was creating chances. Scamacca has shown glimpses but not really had the team setup to play to his strengths. Kehrer is obviously stinking the place out, and Areola doesn't really count as new, but by and large our signings were ok in terms of success. Which once again comes back to the guy in charge turning those resources into a coherent side. It's all on Moyes this.... Sullivan's only crime is letting it go as long as he has."
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Post swindon hammer »

I don't believe Moyes went to Sullivan and asked for Scamacca either. I do believe though that Moyes pushed back on a lot of players that Newman recommended because his mind was set on Lingard & Broja and then when he realised those 2 weren't coming he agreed to take Scamacca as he didn't have a clue who else he wanted and we would have ended up with no one.
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"To be honest as far as modern day Sullivan goes, from a manager's perspective he seems a decent bet to work for. Please managerial loyalty much longer than most chairmen, provides a budget that outside of the top 6 or 7 truly wealthy clubs is right up there, has rowed back on the amount of meddling he does and is very rarely quoted in public. The days of having his son leak transfer news on the official website are long gone. We pay decent wages, stick by managers through rough patches...can't see that other than his ability to go and get a deal over the line for a manager that he's the problem in that regards. All the failure to get players done last Summer was Moyes dithering or chasing unrealistic targets. Kostic was all Moyes. Broja was all Moyes. Onana was down to Moyes. And the players signed were all Moyes/Newman decisions. Sullivan is far from the worst boss in the Football world."
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"brundal 12:12 Sat Apr 8 Re: Moyes Out I guess you are calling Moyes a serial liar then, as he has said multiple times that he has final say on all signings."
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"ED If you honestly believe that Moyes went to Sullivan and said he wanted Scamacca than that's your opinion. Remember what Fat Sam said about Sullivan and how he would trim up with a new player at the trading ground that He new nothing about, some things never change."
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"no, anything but a loss will have him stinking the place out for another week. an easy game in europe and everything resets on planet dwarf"
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Feels like todays the day then whatever the result?
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"he meant to say money, it's what him and the poison dwarf have in common"
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"If he thinks football is an addictive drug (like heroin) then why does he give us a shit dose of methadone? The bloke doesn't know what ""òfootball' means""¶."
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"Saw in his recent press conference he rolled out the old line ""the fans have had some good times in recent years""ù cսnt"
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"Why sack Newman? Moyes makes all the transfer decisions (except for Ings) so it's hard to know what Newman can be blamed for or how many possible signings Moyes vetoed. Moyes did admit recently that when Newman first came to the club he told him to buy Julian Alvarez. Moyes said no, even though we had only Antonio and didn't get another striker in until the summer, while Alvarez ended up at Man City for just £14m."
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"We just need to get to the summer still in the Prem Once Moyes goes we need to dismantle the team and start again, it will help that we will get a large chunk for Rice I'd sack Newman and get a manager in who is far more progressive than the current incumbent sloth"
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"Moysies latest soundbite is ""Football is like a drug, I need it"" How original. Let's hope it's a suppository the size of a traffic bollard then..."
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I think Rodgers will hold out to assess his options. In particular he might hang on to see if he has any chance of getting the Spurs job. It looks like Nagelsmann is going to choose Chelsea over them and it's strange that they have not made a move for Poch already which seemed like the obvious appointment following Conte's departure.
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"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Moyes will still be in charge next week. We'll scrape a draw today and just remain outside the bottom 3 still. The usual ITK's will spout the same stuff about Moyes bring close to the sack but the board wanting to see if he can turn things round/no one better is available."
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"""The fact that Sullivan has been buying players that Moyes clearly didn't want doesn't help"" That's far from a fact, it's actually complete bollocks. The only player Sullivan has bought off his own back is Ings in an act of desperation, everyone else was signed by Moyes via his best mate Newman, the man he insisted gets the job as Head of Recruitment. Sullivan is incompetent, but let's not make stuff up."
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"If Leicester had been in a relegation battle then he wouldn't have gone there, no. But at the time he was managing Celtic, not unemployed like he is now. And if he rejects the chance to come here now he might not get the opportunity in the summer. Personally I can't see him getting a better club than ours, so it's in his interest to take the job now. I'm just trying to be positive and hopeful here, but I'm not holding my breath that Moyes will even get sacked anyway, given the numpties in charge."
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"Manual, It's all about confidence Leicester had it when Rogers took over , we clearly have lost outs."
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"I honestly think that the problem lies with Sullivan in the hunt for a new manager no one wants the job while he is in control. The fact that Sullivan has been buying players that Moyes clearly didn't want doesn't help. Anyone will do even the tea lady would do a better job than Moyes at the moment, we are a shambles which is created from the top down."
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"Nagel - True, but it doesn't mean he would do it again, and Leicester not being a mess at the time surely makes a big difference, would have he gone there if they were? Extremely doubtful. Let's be honest here, the earliest Rodgers will rock up is in the summer, he was always going to want a break and if you believe the ITK's that is what he has said, as I suggested yesterday."
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"There's not many people out there I wouldn't prefer right now. Rogers won't be a long term success, however if we look him on to stamp a style of play onto the club and give us an identity I'd happily have him for a couple of seasons. Problem then is, we'd replace him with someone with a polar opposite style that, it's what we've done for ages"
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"You keep saying that Vexed, but it's not really true. He took over at Liverpool from Dalglish, who took over from Roy Hodgson. They played shit football and in the 4 seasons before Rodgers came in they finished 6th-8th each year. At Leicester they'd been mid table mediocrities in the 3 years since winning the league and had sacked 3 managers in that time. I suppose you could say he carried on from Roberto Martinez at Swansea, although Rodgers was the one who actually got them promoted."
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I'd take Rodgers but he's not the sort of manager that takes a crap side like us and makes them better. He generally picks up sides that already play decent football and are on the up and he maintains that level. Or tap ins like Celtic. I guess it could be argued we are relatively easy to save by any half competent manager this season.
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Rodgers took over at Leicester when they had 10 games left in the season. It wasn't a complete mess but the previous manager had only managed 10 points in his last 12 games so they were definitely on a downward spiral. They didn't look likely to get relegated though. On the other hand there's a very good opportunity for a new manager to win a European trophy. That might balance out the relegation fears somewhat.
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