Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[El Scorchio]

"Yup- it probably is a combination. Although Maupay to be fair to him had 26 in 102 for Brighton in the PL which isn't bad going so I wouldn't go so far as to call him shit. 1 in 22 for Everton IS shit, though. Him and Cuckoo (I bet they couldn't believe their eyes when 50-60 million was offered for him) seem definite products of the system/coaching, which as you say you can attribute to those you cited below. (We saw it so often at Man U in the past as well- so many players who got sold and were basically shit wherver else they went) I'd be fascinated to see how Mitoma (what a great find HE seems!) and the rest in that group fare when they are sold. I wonder for example if the likes of Caicedo just make other players around them look better- i.e. Kante at Leicester, which fooled people- and as usual Chelsea- into thinking Danny Drinkwater was a class player. Will be a true test of system vs raw talent. One thing is for sure they will make hundreds of millions off those players when they go. How does Starlizard work? (in a way that makes it different?) I have to admit I know fuck all about it."

[Westside]

"I'm sure I read somewhere that we get about 8 million a year extra in revenue from ticket sales compared with UP. Could be wrong on that but if true then that wouldn't buy us a decent championship player. Match receipts, last season at UP £27 million Match receipts 2021/22 season (most recent available figures), £41 million. Ignores inflation in those years and the impact of any extra costs/cost savings at the London Stadium"

[onsideman]

"El Scorchio 1:42 Wed Apr 19 It's both, I'm sure. Maupay doesn't count because he was shit for them thats why they sold him and guess what, he's shit for Everton too. Cucurella was obviously overrated but was being coached by the same person at Chelsea who had coached him at Brighton. Players like Welbeck, Dunk, Webster, March, Weltman are all being coached to a level higher than that they'd previously attained Players like Mitoma, Caicedo, MacAllister, Estupinan, Ferguson, Encisco have just been brilliantly recruited I think their conveyor belt is only just starting and I think it's already usurped anything Southampton did in the past. Only Brighton have access to the Starlizard data analysis"

[El Scorchio]

Never going to happen. He's not even listed by the bookies. They've even got Redknapp and Klopp @50/1 which is already pie in the sky.

[diehardhammer]

Will still getting linked to Tottenham job

[swindon hammer]

"Yeah, having a bigger stadium isn't as big of an advantage financially than it would have been 20 years ago. The biggest money driver for clubs in the Premier League is the TV money and the Champions League. Don't forget as well that to try and fill the stadium we have around 10000 under 18s with £99 -£250 season tickets and many Band 5 and 6 Adult Season tickets for under £350. I'm sure I read somewhere that we get about 8 million a year extra in revenue from ticket sales compared with UP. Could be wrong on that but if true then that wouldn't buy us a decent championship player."

[New Jersey]

"rumford - lt's good to have a decent exchange of views instead of the usual mud slinging, you're a cսnt, my cock's bigger than yours etc."

[Willtell]

"Obviously tv revenue is the big chunk of income for PL clubs but selling over 60,000 tickets per game almost doubles what we sold in the 35,000 seat Boleyn. Not only that but we sell more shirts and merchandise and refreshments too with the bigger fan base. I looked it up a while ago and since we moved to the athletics bowl we have increased our turnover something like 3 times what it was. That's not all tv money."

[El Scorchio]

"With Brighton, I'd just like to know if it's down to their recruitment, or just down to how the players are coached, asked to play in a certain system at the club. It's worth noting that Maupay, Coocoocachoorealla and Trossard have hardly been tearing it up since leaving, after being very effective for Brighton. In fact you could say Maupay and not-Trossard have been dogshit. (Trossard also hasn't done much but I guess he was only signed because they were light on forwards) Guess who Maupay's only goal for Everton was against?...."

[rumford]

New jersey 11:49 El Scorchio 12 :58 You fellas are being realistic.Makes a change on here. .

[Fifth Column]

"Willtell As you will know the amount of money we generate from the new place is not significantly different from the old ground. I seem to remember Sullivan saying the same thing. Money comes largely from TV. Of course before we moved we were promised that it would lead to significant increase in revenue but of course we don't own the stadium so we don't have naming rights or any significant income from catering. So it's not that ""there's a lot of fans that won't like that but it has to be true"" - actually it's just untrue. Being in a bigger stadium does not mean we have significantly more money to spend on buying players. If we owned the stadium then it might - but we don't."

[,]

"Just supposing last October, with us performing much as we have all season, our owners had grasped the nettle and replaced Moyes with Unai Emery. Villa did it instead, buying out his contract with Villarreal for a reputed E6M and it looks, with Villa in the top eight and five EPL wins currently matching form with Man City, to have been a good move. Next season with Villa and Newcastle included there will be a heck of a fight for CL places."

[Willtell]

"Being in a 60,000 seater stadium helps our chances at avoiding relegation simply by having more money to afford better players. I know there's a lot of fans that won't like that but it has to be true. We're also a top 20 club in the Europe and probably the world at the moment and have a shit manager and board. The likes of Brentford, Brighton, Fulham, Palace, Wolves and Southampton as well as Burnley, Sheffield Utd, Middlesboro, Blackburn, Sunderland, Norwich, Watford, Stoke etc will swap about between PL & Championship until they get it badly wrong and step on or off the TV gravy train."

[Sir Alf]

"Undeniable that teams outside the top 6 have struggled to sustain a top 6 or even 10 league position as their players get poached by the rich clubs who just throw money at it. Brightons model is the most complete and comprehensive so I'm hoping / thinking it's more durable. Like in any business they are kind of ""first movers""ù in what they are doing so will be interesting how long before others emulate what they are doing and potentially negate the benefits they currently are reaping. It took them 5-10 years so I think they will be ""punching""ù above their weight for a while longer unless they sell too many of their portfolio of young talent too quickly and at one time. Thing for a club like West Ham is that could potentially stave off the ""vultures""ù for longer as they have greater resources and wealth ( richer ) than Brighton. Point is though, never ever in anyone's life time going to happen with the Sullivan family at the helm. The key to it is change of ownership but perhaps also the role of Mark Noble who should already be doing his homework on his Brighton, Brentford and the Red Bull clubs operate. Is he? Is he intelligent enough ? I don't know him but hope he is more savvy than most players"

[El Scorchio]

"New Jersey 11:49 Agree. As you say a few years ago it was Southampton as the 'model' with Les Reed masterminding things and their conveyer belt of talented players who were sold for big money and replaced cheaply with not too much loss and performing well even with a few manager changes. Swansea had a good spell as well. Very briefly Wolves. Brentford are also doing this. Brighton at the moment feels very similar to Saints about 8 years ago. However the conveyer belt will run out sooner or later. Recruitment will make a few misses, they'll sell one too many players to sustain it, key people will leave, other teams will wise up to how they are finding these players etc. Agree massive amounts of money is the only way to really sustain it- and even then look at Man U, Chelsea. It can still be a struggle if you chuck half a billion at it. You have to caveat it with that good overall strategy (which is the part Brighton currently have) the likes of Man City have. Brighton (and Brentford) are punching way above their weight and good on them- it's great for the game, TBH, but their time in the sun will come and go. It's also helpful that Chelsea and Liverpool are making an almighty fuck up of this season."

[goose]

Like you've kept it to yourself every other time?

[Willtell]

goose Thanks for that but I don't remember the story particularly from C&H a week ago and I'm not bothered about looking back unless you want to C&P it? Never mind pal. When I get any info about WH I know to keep it to myself in future.

[swindon hammer]

"New Jersey, Yep agree with that and said something similar a while back. Apart from the historically big successful clubs like Liverpool, Man Utd & Arsenal the only other clubs that have consistently been able to stay in the top 6 and challenge for trophies over the past 20 years have been Chelsea & Man City due to their limitless funds. All the others including big clubs such as ourselves, Villa, Leeds, Everton & Newcastle have had occasional good seasons in the league but have never been able to maintain it and we have all been relegated or nearly relegated in Everton's case. Look at Leicester now. Brighton & Brentford are superbly run clubs who are both having great seasons but there is a good chance that if not next season then the season after they will be both be back fighting relegation. That's not to say we don't want to be a better run club btw and have a manager that plays better football. Just saying without a really rich owner like Man City & Chelsea don't expect us to be constantly finishing in the top 6 and challenging for trophies every season. History suggests that won't happen."

[goose]

Willtell 11:13 Wed Apr 19 Re: Moyes Out Funny that you're a regular reader of C&H and they ran that exact same story a week ago. and now you've got a 'friend' close to the board who suddenly feeds you the same info. huge coincidence i'm sure.

[Side of Ham]

"onsideman, I think it only has legs up until the selling clubs of these cheap gems wise up to it being Brighton looking and quadruple their asking price......that's what's generally happened in the past, with the bigger clubs getting wind of their dealings from these clubs as well and outbidding the smaller club."

[onsideman]

*legs

[onsideman]

"Not sure I agree completely with that NJ Brighton are indeed the current role model but they are the first club to build using their analytics and have survived losing a manager, a DoF and numerous top players only to come back stronger, uncovering more and more cheap gems. The owner is also applying the model in Belgium where he has taken a second division team to the CL Think this might have kegs as long as Bloom hangs around"

[New Jersey]

"The evidence shows that no matter how well run you are, unless you are one of the top six (maybe top seven with Saudi funded Newcastle) you are highly likely to be relegated within a decade at most. Brighton are the current role model, before them it was Leicester, Southampton etc of how you should run a football club!"

[Side of Ham]

It's the sorts of shit that's put out there to lower the angst among supporters......and it works.....

[Sir Alf]

"Procrastinating Sullivan and board? Surely not? :-( Sounds like it will be a summer review and decision. Win the Fairs Cup / Conference thing and survive and we're stuck with him I reckon. Anything to avoid making a decision, being proactive and thinking strategically will be what our owner(s) do best. We need a chairman or owner line that Bloom fella at Brighton. Took them years to see it come to fruition but involves setting out the philosophy for the football side, undertaking data analysis and research, building a first class recruitment and scouting team, getting coaches, manager and everyone connected with the club to buy into it. Above all else it means being able to delegate, not meddling and running it like an industrial mill owner who wants to control everything like Sullivan does. And of course having an intelligent investment plan to support all this. We will never progress to make the next level with an owner like Sullivan involved. Are his sons likely to improve things if they take over? Who knows but their upbringing via Nannie's and no mother will probably mean they are as psychologically damaged as their dad. We need new owners but of course they also have to be the right ones who have a proper plan strategy to get us up to the proverbial ""next level""ù via smart investment and all the aforementioned organisation changes etc because we, like most clubs, cannot compete with City, Newcastle etc. who have the financial backing of nation states behind them ( these clubs are owned as much for political reasons for those states I would guess?) Moyes ain't going anywhere fast :-(."