Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Side of Ham]

"onsideman 10:14 Thu Apr 20 Once info leaks on his plan, and it will as it's interesting and works for now, the bigger clubs will counter it by fucking up his options""¶.there are better opportunities than to play for Brighton""¶..that's football and it's too public to be a formula that cannot be copied or stopped it will simply be gazumped by richer clubs with silly amounts of money to ensure they stay at the top."

[Manuel]

"Love TC, but he's an annoyance. Moyes is not letting this ''last 2 years'' thing go, he was at it again in the pre-match presser, talking about about how expectations are raised now (without mentioning the big spend of course) he will be insufferable if we win this. Once it becomes manager vs the fans it's not workable. He's a spiteful cսnt."

[Lee Trundle]

This game tonight is surely one of the many MUST WIN games Moyes has had so far this season? Lose it and I can't see any chance of him staying before the end of the season.

[FOMB]

Tony Cottee on Talksport now saying we should keep Moyes and the fans are 50/50 on wether we should sack him Think that's more like 90/10 Tone

[BRANDED]

Wages is generally the indicator of likely success. Some teams have a brief wobble or rise above their wage group status. Assuming the financial foundations are sound.

[onsideman]

"Oh God, I wonder if multi-billionaire Tony Bloom has the faintest idea you've seen right through his cunning plan? You didn't get where you are today without seeing through cunning plans, did you?"

[Side of Ham]

"It's simple how this falls down""¶.Brighton's ever growing progress gets more & more notice""¶..until the point that any small club around the world has heard of them and then starts putting ridiculous transfer fees on these players""¶..this then means they don't get their first choices or even their second or third. Business & commerce quickly wakes up when big money is being made""¶"

[onsideman]

"ICM I imagine it'll be individual performance stats - pace, strength, stamina (all physical) both historical and predicted (wth the now xg analysis well accepted I presume there are others relating to running, passing, tackling etc) Mental agility, familial traits and history, friendship groups and Social Media activity. Then they apply this great big fat algorithm ;) Obviously it's not a perfect science and mistakes will still be made - and the prospectiive player has to be good enough to be under observation in the first place - but as with everything else it's all about minimising the risk of faiilure. I don't think they use any magic though, sorry to disappoint"

[Capitol Man]

"I'm skeptical that there's some magical model given that a model is only as strong as the inputs and the assumptions. Are we really saying there's a magical combination of ingredients that can in any way accurately predict player performance over a given time? What would that look like, what would the inputs be for that? Betting from the house view is pure statistics because you can identify all the parameters and understand all the variables. I'm not saying because I can't see it that it doesn't exist, I'd just seen to see the data to believe it."

[onsideman]

Cheers mate... and thanks for the Chinese lucky symbol suggestion. Had never occurred to me and makes perfect sense

[El Scorchio]

"onsideman 4:51 Sorry- didn't see this earlier! Really interesting. Thanks for sharing. Fascinating (as you say) how they are trying to apply it to scouting and what their secret is. I guess so far it seems to be working. If nothing else turning a great profit- and that it's working at another club also. Data is absolutely king with everything these days- this seems like Moneyball evolved! Wonder if anyone else studying the players they've bought will twig at any distinguishable patterns at any point. Should have guessed from Starlizard it would involve the far East as both stars and lizards are lucky in China, I believe. Thanks again for posting that. Really enjoyed reading!"

[El Scorchio]

daveyg 7:56 Yes- that's why I said not-Trossard. Meaning Cooochooothingy has been shit and not Trossard. I then went on to say Trossard was really only back up for Arsenal. Interesting about the CEO's words- it's exactly what Les Reed said about Southampton's long term/succession planning when they were doing really well too.

[Side of Ham]

How would you think that about running a country?

[daveyg]

"Scorching, Trossard has not been shit. He's out of the team because Jesus is back. Brighton have a great plan. There was an interview with 5 live just before Potter left for Chelsea. In it the CEO stated that there was a back up plan for every employee at the club,some times more than one for the top people. When asked if he was worried about all the rumours about Potter he remphasised what he had just said. But he said he wasn't wanting rid of Potter. Their scouting system was run in such a way that they were able to find all these young players quickly and integrate them into their system What a brilliant way to run a business. You would of thought this was how to run a country too. But we have these bunch of greedy clowns in government who are putting us into League 2."

[Westside]

"Although the attendances weren't great, we did have 3 home Europa League qualifying ties in the 2015/16 season"

[goose]

"you cant use last year as a benchmark. the european games meant an extra 6(?) home games in the season so already you're looking at a circa 15% growth in matchday revenue. 21/22 turnover was £253m, match income was £41.3m (16%) without the european games you're looking at about £35m matchday income. 14/15 turnover was £121m, £20m was matchday income (17%) 15/16 turnover was £142m, £27m was matchday income (19%) 17/18 turnover was £175m, £25m was matchday income (14%) 18/19 turnover was £191m, £27m was matchday income (14%)"

[El Scorchio]

"Yes- it was a distinct roll back on what was said about finances before the move took place, I believe!"

[Nagel]

"In 2016 Sullivan said that ""the Olympic Stadium gives us about £12m extra revenue a year"". Obviously in seasons we're in Europe then it'll be more, as there will every time the ticket prices rise, but you're still probably not looking at more than £15-£20m a year extra in a good season, compared to what we had previously."

[goose]

You're better off viewing it as a % of total income as a benchmark. I might be wrong but I recall it's around 10%.

[Fifth Column]

"Willtell I can't find the quote but Sullivan/Gold definitely alluded to the fact that increase in ticket income was marginal in comparison to UP. Also, as I already said, we only take in a certain % of catering as the rest goes to the stadium owners. We would have had naming rights of the existing ground should we have chosen to sell them at UP which would have added several million each year. Merchandising may have increased but is that match day merchandising or general increases in online sales? If the latter, I'm not sure what that has to do with the move. It also misses the point that if we had stayed and expanded the ground then we may well have increased income from ticket sales as well as having full control over catering income and naming rights. What I think is undeniable is that the ticket prices would have been a lot higher if we'd remained at UP. The number one benefit of moving as it turns out is that ST prices, especially for kids, are very low. But beyond that, there is no evidence that our match day related income as a result of moving is significantly different to what it may have been at UP... you can't compare 2023 income to the income levels when we moved from UP. The question is what would income levels have been now at UP if we'd stayed."

[swindon hammer]

"Willtell, that's very interesting. I mean you have to quantify that by saying those figures are 6 years apart so no doubt if we had stayed at UP those figures from 15/16 would be higher now. Also all those extra games in Europe probably contributed to last seasons total I'm guessing. But according to the figures you have quoted in total that's 33 million difference per year which is obviously a good thing and probably proves that the move had been at least a partial success even if some fans don't like it due to the sight lines and atmosphere etc. It's a good point that getting 60k is not just the ticket money but also the extra merchandise sales, corporate etc. Rather depressing is the fact that all that increased revenue was essentially spent on Scamacca! Let's hope he turns out good in the end."

[Sir Alf]

"Having worked a life time ( sigh ) in IT ( EDP when I started that's how old I am ) and last 20 years working in retail and other sectors building analytics solutions, I am certain it works as I've witnessed myself albeit with buying patterns, demographics, marketing and product placement. Wish I was 40 years younger and got the chance to work with something like this Brighton model. The inputs or variables or correlations probably include things you'd never think of :-). Seems to have taken the whole ""Moneyball""ù idea to another level. But then we return to the same old issue""¶ Sullivan and ownership. The Dwarf man will trust his instincts and ""finger in the air""ù or ""scattergun""ù techniques for recruitment via his crony agents. That's served him so well ( eg 53,strikers and maybe 2 any good ). Data analytics? Big data and establishing a philosophy and processes and recruitment organizations, strong academies all ""modern nonsense""ù to a man nearly 70 who dresses up as Stalin and has a ladyboy as his partner. We really are a circus and always will be with our owner"

[onsideman]

"El Scorchio Starlizard is Tony Bloom's gambling consultation company - as he describes it He's a professional poker player so understands risk/reward and recognises that the house always wins. Not liking those odds he tries to introduce some marginal gains that sway it back more in his favour. Starlizard uses its own bespoke software and applies it to generate unique data analysis to get ahead of the bookies and minimise risk with very little left to 'chance' - the only thing he feels he can't control It's all done under a shroud of secrecy so not much more is known but I believe you need to deposit something like £2m as an initial stake to enable you to participate and it won't come as any surprise to know that most of the clients/members are based in the Far East What he's done is to further develop the software so that it helps to identify players that will fit his template. Most are very young (Encisco/Mitoma) when he gets them, whereas others, such as Estupinan, are already established pros that he feels can be improved. I don't know but I get the feeling that in the case of Estupinan he'd been waching and may never have jumped but that he was probably motivated to get him when the eye-watering Cucurella numbers were being bandied about by Chelsea It would be interesting to know whether he'd still have got in De Zerbi for Potter had the latter not been bought for millions in compensation. On the recruitment side he's lost Dan Ashworth to Newcastle and Paul Winstanley to Chelsea with the latter perhaps proving his eye for talent isn't quite so keen without access to the data :) I find the whole thing quite fascinating - and the fact that he also now co-owns USG in Belgium too (who's progress has been remarkable) serves only to add to the mystique"

[Willtell]

"Westside The last year at the Boleyn was an exceptional year in turnover due in part to it being the last year there - 2015/16. Match receipts were up 35% to £26.9m. At May 2022 that rose to £41.3m. Corporate hospitality was also the biggest in history at £19m. At May 2022 that rose to £34.7m. Retail was also the biggest in WH's history at £9.4m but that rose to £13m last year. There's no doubt that all commercial business increased from regularly having 60,000 gates and not just TV revenue contributed to WH's much improved turnover."

[rumford]

Fifth Column 1:37 Christ i'm agreeing with everyone today. You are right about the money we now generate. Looking at the Deloitte football money league the latest revenue we generated is £301 m. The lowest figure in the big 6 was Arsenal at £430m a significant difference. I think you will find when we finished 6th above Arsenal and Spurs their revenues were still greater than ours.