Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[twoleftfeet]

With respect Lee I think you are wrong. There are a number of posters on here who expressed the view that they would rather see us lose and have Moyes sacked rather than us win and he continues. I'm no Moyes apologist and I wouldn't be unhappy if he walked away at the end of the season but to hope we lose just to get him sacked is pathetic.

[Lee Trundle]

"No one is happy when we lose. Most are pissed off which is why they come on here to criticise the obvious errors normally done by the manager. It's like me suggesting that it's unfortunate for you and your MATES that you can't enjoy the victory with your fellow supporters as you're too busy coming on here to goad other supporters of the club. As I said earlier on this week, it's a strange hill you've decide to die on, twoleftfeet ."

[twoleftfeet]

I love laughing at daveyg and his mates on here. Only happy when we are losing. Funny as fuck to see them all implode when we win. West Ham fans? hardly :-)

[Side of Ham]

Well however it was lined up they still pissed off a lot of potential business for gloating about getting a bargain.....has lead to us getting dicked about on nearly every deal we do.....that and his need to haggle last doors....

[diehardhammer]

"Payet was already being lined up by West Ham before Bilic came in""¶"

[Side of Ham]

"Agree on Sullivan, that's why the protests were needed.....many saw this from the get go with him......I don't think he's even managed to get any of the managers he's employed first picks.......the only time he did was with Payet and in the process fucked off every chairman across Europe by bragging about the deal they got and how they was told by Billic to go out and get the playmaker with the most assists across Europe, story......have some fucking decorum ffs......"

[El Scorchio]

"Russ- 100% Sullivan owning the club is a big blocker for 'next level' progression. A top manager isn't going to come and put up with his bullshit. He's not going to be able to resist interfering in transfer business as usual. Other club owners clearly don't like dealing with him and the barrow boy way he goes about things. We can't truly move on until he goes, IMO"

[Russ of the BML]

"Willtell 12:02 Tue Apr 25 ""but can we be sure of that with Sullivan at the helm?"" No. That's why he is a disaster himself. I think any coach will find themselves entwined in Sullivan's ego trip."

[Willtell]

"Good points Russ and I very much agree with all that you're saying . Fact is though that the media's reaction to WH is from the image created over decades of WH being an under achieving club lurching from unexpected superb wins to more regular defensive lapses or one disaster to another. As for the media's 'expert analysers' support for Moyes, they will always support another professional going through a difficult period. Imagine one saying Moyes is a crap manager that has made error after error and then WH go on a run like we currently seem to be on. They'd look absolute mugs that can't ever be an expert again. So I wouldn't worry about that BS because that's all it is. Certainly our pre-season was a mess and Moyes transfer policy is also ponderous in the extreme but I don't accept Sir Alf's belief that most of our transfers are Sully specials. Finally my one reservation about changing manager is that I want an improvement on Moyes and some of the names being mentioned seem more interesting than the usual suspects we get linked to but can we be sure of that with Sullivan at the helm?"

[daveyg]

"Russ, Sir Alf and everyone else. Well said all Two left will come on here with his lack of knowledge of football and give his analysis ""We won"" ""we didn't lose"" ""we're in a semi final "" One would of thought with his 1000 plus games he should virtually be the top man for stating that Moyes is so good and is the best man to progress the club."

[Russ of the BML]

"Sir Alf 9:02 Tue Apr 25 I think the problem with the media is that, whether we like it or not, West Ham are pretty irrelevant. I mean, for example, I have lost count of the amount of times I have heard Laura Woods on TS say on a Monday morning after we lost ""So, West Ham, what's gone wrong for David Moyes this season....?"" And then some so called expert harps on about raised levels of expectation, player integration, injuries....I even heard on pundit cite the WC as disrupting our momentum. Forgetting the fact that we have had no momentum all season! And then they've all come to the conclusion that Moyes is the right man to get us out of trouble. Forgetting the fact that Moyes is the reason why we are in trouble. But there lies the problem. Nobody in the media bar Martin Samuel and one or two others have even done any research or deep dive into why we are where we are. And if they did, they'd all come to same conclusion as the fans. Moyes is the problem and has been since the latter stages of last season. But for many pundits they are put on the spot, don't know the answer, so they spew out the same old bollocks because they take no interest in West Ham and haven't seen the problems we have seen developing since January 2022. And on Moyes - you ask the right question - Do we trust him? After this season I don't. You rightly point out the £200m spend and the difficulties Moyes has had in settling and integrating them. And despite that we still play the same way and haven't developed or moved on. We have stagnated. As you say, the start of this season was a shambles. A bad pre-season, players looking jaded and unfit. No determined or obvious pattern of play or tactics. A mess. A complete and utter mess. And do we want that all over again? Moyes miserable face and demeanour in press conferences - At war with the players the fans and himself. Long drawn out summer transfers as Moyes takes an eternity to decided if the player is a 'Moyes' type player or not. Leading to a start of season where fans are frustrated at the fragmented squad that is unfolding in front of them. My opinion is - Thank you for everything but its time for a change."

[Sir Alf]

"There's a narrative and unconscious bias ( may conscious bias even ) in the media that Moyes is the right manager for West Ham. As said, but early to be getting the bunting out. We could within another few weeks just as easily be out the Conference thing and back in or very much closer to the drop zone again. Hopefully not and the current upturn or ""momentum""ù as everyone calls it, lasts to seasons end. Do we trust Moyes to use the squad properly? Will he flog certain players ( his favourites ) and screw things up like last season? What seems clear Imo, is that the basic approach to the tactics remains the same and that, to date, only 2 maybe 3 at a push, of 8 players brought in at a cost of 200 million are a success. That's not good enough I do also understand the view that while Sullivan is the owner , whoever manages is always being held back even Moyes. I just don't believe Moyes wanted or identified all the new players. I maybe wrong but his treatment ( actions ) of them suggests he agreed to go along with their purchase without saying anything but not who he would want. Hence the shambles of a start to the season and disjointed mess that has continued until late when he seems to have got a tune out of the team ( in spite of him methinks )"

[Keep dreaming]

Agree with everything you said AOI

[Russ of the BML]

Any Old Iron and Side of Ham: Good posts.

[Texas Iron]

"Great Week""¶congrats all round""¶ 3 Games do not a season make""¶"

[Side of Ham]

"The one major problem with Moyes if he gets to stay on""¶..was his very unprofessional pre season which at it's core fucked up any momentum we had from the previous seasons""¶I think he's down as admitting this as well""¶."

[Any Old Iron]

"BTW, has Redknapp lost his marbles. We're ten points behind Brentford in 10th place. There is absolutely no way of finishing in the top half."

[Any Old Iron]

"Moyes said this after the game - ""I glad we set the tone early, we got a great start and it gave us something to hang onto"". Something to hang onto. Not something to build on, but hang on to. For 78 minutes in this case. This right here tells you how Moyes thinks. His default position is one of defend and not one of attack. He reeks of negativity. That's why I think a lot on here are right when they've been saying that the teams improvement has been in spite of Moyes and not because of him. And even though we beat Fulham and Southampton by the skin of our teeeth, this month I'd say we've only played well in the last two and a half games, so it's a bit early to be saying the bloke is doing alright. I'm double chuffed that we are where we are now because a month ago the way we were playing I couldn't see where the points were coming from. But unless Moyes can demonstrate that he can keep us playing dynamic, positive football for the rest of the season I won't have changed my mind and want him gone"

[Russ of the BML]

"It would be interesting to know what Twoleftfeet think Moyes has done to prove anyone wrong? Yes, we've had a much better run of form and results recently and great to see it. But let's be honest, in general, the form, performances and results since January 2022 have been poor to average. A solid end to this season doesn't make up for that and I really can't see how any West Ham fan see's David Moyes as the manager beyond this season. And I include a ECL win in that too. Moyes has some very good players at his disposal and now, in April, we start to play a bit. For me its too little, too late and does nothing to prove Moyes is the man for the future. Everything that has been said about him up to now is been bang on. A solid end to the season is not the place to start a 'told you so' campaign. Harry Redknapp on TS today said ""West Ham look good. They look really good. Moyes has got them firing. I think they'll win the ECL and finish in the top half which, all in all, will be a great season for them."" I mean, seriously. People get paid for this tripe. Firstly, we are still in a relegation battle and if we slide in form again can get dragged in. And we are still nowhere near winning the ECL. AZ won't be easy and if we do win we have to win a final and Moyes has shown his form at the latter stages of a tournament. Fuck me, I don't want to sound negative, but a great season? Harry seems to have erased the last 16 months from history."

[El Scorchio]

Yup- no chance he doesn't see out the season now after the last 8 days.

[Lee Trundle]

"Personally, I see very little point in discussing Moyes's future when we're in this form, and what point we are in the season. He's not going to be binned off now. We all need to get behind the club coming into the business end of the season, and surely it gives us a better chance? That doesn't mean those who have criticised him for 90% of the season have been wrong, though. They've pretty much been bang on the money. I still think he has to win the Conference to have any chance in staying on into next season. And even though we're favourites, it's not a given as much as it should be. The media (and the likes of twoleftfeet) have suddenly got too confident about that and are already brining out the I TOLD YOU SO bunting. A little too premature for that. I think it would be VERY brave of Sullivan to sack him after winning that. I'm not sure I can see that happening. I think the best case scenario would be us staying up, winning the Conference, and then getting mega money owners who want their manager in, giving Rice the temptation to stay. We can all dream, eh?"

[COOL HAND LUKE]

"It's an easy motivator right now isn't it... we are in the ECL semi final, so anyone not playing out of their skin 'may not get picked to start if we make the final'. Cue gut busting performances. Moyes is already gobbling off about being here next season, and has 'no intention of leaving'. As he still has a season on contract until 2024, nobody expected he would just walk and forfeit a pay off, but then that is not what we have been saying anyway. We have been saying we want him OUT... we all fully understand that would still mean sacking him and paying him the compo. The main reasons are simple enough... he has been serving up dross, he has stopped listening to those around him, he has lost the key backroom staff who were doing his job for him, and the results of him 'making his own decisions' have (as in several past roles) shown him up as a very limited team and man manager. But THE main reason is that massive overhaul will need to happen at season's end, with contracts ending etc, and certain players having reached their sell by dates. Left to his own devices, Moyes will put together a rudimentary side that puffs and blows and kicks around the lower reaches of the PL. He will do that because it is the scenario most likely to keep him in a job, and he has been quite clear that he is looking after No1 these days ahead of any tilts at glory. We cannot let it happen - we have to build and progress upwards, and most of us agree that Moyes is simply not capable of making that quality leap."

[southbankbornnbred]

"We've had a really good seven days. But, let's face it, we should be beating Bournemouth regularly if we're ever going to live up to our potential as the 15th biggest club side in the world. That's not to dismiss the performance - it was impressive. At last. As were the second halves against a decent Genk side and a fine Arsenal team. But I'm not getting carried away after 12 months of absolute shite from Moyes. We all watched many of those performances. Let's see how the remainder of the season plays out."

[Willtell]

"Good post as usual Sir Alf. Always a starter for a debate. Our mini revival is welcome but we have to gauge that against the level of opposition. Larnacca, Gent, Southampton, Fulham, Bournemouth are all clubs we should be beating in my opinion. We had a big loss against Newcastle but drew against Arsenal and Villa so there is a definite improvement not to be minimised but by how much is the question? We can only judge how big our improvement has been after our performances against Liverpool Palace and the 2 Manchester clubs before our semi-final. Play well against those 4 and we are back on track heading in the direction of where most of us expected to be after a 6th & a 7th place in the last 2 seasons. I'm not so worried by possession stats. I really don't like Manchester City's keep ball style and much prefer the dynamics of most PL football. I also accept that defence has to play a big role in our style but it seems to have come more from the players that want to press the opposition's defenders before they pass forwards. It's also true that a fair number of our players are not the best quality. Including some signed by Moyes. Clearly whatever happens we need to get in replacements for Fabianski (I hear Areola wants out) Cresswell, Ogbonna, Lanzini, Scamacca and maybe Benrahma and Fornals too. Kehrer isn't a decent back-up for Coufal and unfortunately neither is Johnson lately.. Then there's Rice looking like he's going so that's virtually a whole team of new players needed for progression. Will Kretinsky Gold family and Sullivan trust Moyes signing decisions based on last summers £200m worth? Not if they are any good they won't. Moyes still has to go imo."

[Lee Trundle]

"onsideman 10:10 Mon Apr 24 ""He's just a troll."" It does appear that. What an odd hill for him to die on."