Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Pav BML]

"We must be the only club that plays to our weaknesses, not our strengths. Why are we playing this weird system with Paqueta on the left and JWP deeper just to suit Soucek? No doubt he's been better recently but Paqueta would be making more happen in that role. Too many players instinct is to go backwards and that's creating its own problems with poor back passes. JWP has been great with the corners but he's nowhere near Payet level with the free kicks, takes 5 minutes flicking away blades of grass off a carpet of a pitch only to hit the first man every time. Huge over reliance on Kudus or Bowen atm and to some extent the full backs pushing up. If he insists on playing Soucek still, we can't play a footballing game, get him closer to the striker and go direct. i hate saying that but this current side does not have the ability to play football unless he gets soucek out"

[Yorkammer]

Football is a business. There is no business case for the owners to replace Moyes. I know that's not what people want to accept but it's a reality.

[Russ of the BML]

"Moyes has been around a long, long time. He is no doubt a good manager because of that experience. And its that longevity that gains him a generally easy approach from the press. Moyes has probably seen as many journo's come and go as he has players down the years. New, young journo's come in and are schooled by the older generation and they probably get a bit of ""Moysie he's ok. Been around for ever. Nice enough but can be a bit spiky"". So they just take it easy on him. Exactly same with Hodgson. They're a bit like 'part of the furniture.' And its also because its West Ham. let's be honest. The media don't really give a fuck about us. They harp on about tradition, heritage, Moore, Hurst, Di Canio and its all 'a proper working class club'. But we always get that because, being brutally honest, we don't ever upset the apple cart. And, the media like clubs like that because it suits them to maintain the Status Quo. So, again, as we aren't upsetting anyone, Moyes gets it easy. If he was a young up and coming manager then he'd be getting pelters for our league form and performances. If he was a foreign manager then he'd be getting grief. But good ol' Dave will always get an easy ride from the media in general because he's been about forever and is part of PL fabric. I'm sick of it. I want a manager that's going to upset the apple cart. I want a manager that turns the media's heads and makes them sit up and notice."

[Eerie Descent]

"Capitol Man 6:38 Mon Dec 4 Getting a sense of deja vu about this and the last time we sacked him and went for Pelligrini. We didn't sack him, he was given a short term contract which had finished. Regardless, what a fucking weak position to take. Because a decision 3 years ago didn't quite work out, you can never make a brave decision again? Just stick with this football destroyer, don't worry about the paying punters being bored to death. It's quite striking that taking this place in isolation, pretty much every poster that's backing him don't pay and take the time to go and physically watch the utter fucking borefest we serve up every week. You, twoleftfeet, the Irish pisshead to name a few, it's easy supporting the drivel we serve up if it's not cost you anything money and only 90 minutes in time. Trust me, it's like a fucking morgue over there at the minute. I think the only one who goes over there who still backs him is joyo, but that's a man who if his brains were dynamite wouldn't have enough to blow his hat off."

[Willtell]

Good sensible points here from Stubbo and Aldgate.

[aldgate]

Think Moyes is mates with a lot of journos and ex pros (as he's been around for so long) who give him a very easy ride. Anyone else playing Brazil's No 10 at left wing to accommodate Soucek might be asked a few searching questions.....

[stubbo]

"It's all pretty straightforward. He can't play Alvarez, Soucek and Ward Prowse together in a coherent side. I actually don't really care which of them misses out...whoever is least on form in the moment, but we clearly need Kudus and Bowen on the wings, Paqueta in the middle, and a proper striker. Anyone with a brain can see this. It's simply about round pegs in round holes. Don't care if it's Paqueta alongside Alvarez with Soucek at 10, Alvarez holding on his own with Ward Prowse and Paqueta in front, or Ward Prowse and Soucek in a 2 with Paqueta at 10...but Paqueta is our world class central midfielder, and the perm any 2 from 3. Moyes is a moron for compromising out best player (which Paqueta is) to get 3 average Joe's in the side."

[Keep dreaming]

"Daveyg, you forgot Moyes turning against fans not making a better atmosphere. I think the atmosphere suits Moyes well, a fucking dyneral"

[daveyg]

"I listening to the R5 Monday Night club. Moyes and his tactics are a million miles away from this discussion about inverted full backs,high press,attacking football,entertainment,pace,taking chances and everything else that is football. I despise Moyes more than any West Ham manager ever. As Gonzo said on Hammers chat Moyes will ruin Paqueta and probably Bowen. I don't know who Bowen is listening to but there is no way he will get in the England squad playing down the middle. He just gets in it at the moment by scoring 9 down the right. All these Moyes bandits don't realise this and another of his inept tactics to shoe horn the most negative line up in the PL. So sad what Moyes is allowed to do."

[british is best]

Magnificent 7 do me a carrotload lol . One of thems last major trophy was in 1955 . They won a European trophy in 1969 that the only qualifying criteria was the city you played in had to have held a trade fair the previous year . It was even less prestigious than the intertoto cup . You can add the wartime replacement of the fa cup to that as well. The hypocrisy of the Geordies is fucking staggering . I remember watching the labour MP Ian lavery ripping mike Ashley to pieces on novara media over his treatment of his employees . Yet he's happy with owners that cut up Jamal khashoggi in an embassy in Turkey to the extent that the poor man left the place in a sports bag . The Geordie chink shearer will no doubt complain if we end up being owned by the qataris .

[Capitol Man]

Getting a sense of deja vu about this and the last time we sacked him and went for Pelligrini. It's not going to happen until the end of the season anyway though so we may as well be thinking about who we want next summer. May have a few more option available by then.

[RBshorty]

Do they ever watch West Ham play.? They don't care about anybody outside the magnificent 7. And will eventually lead to the death of the Premiership. And lead to the European Super League. (Which most of them will gain. Useful employment.)

[62Hammer]

"Shearer and co on MOTD are quick to praise Burnley (last weekend), Chelsea, Man City, Newcastle and others for their exciting attacking play, but apparently West Ham fans should be grateful that they've got David Moyes. Do they ever watch West Ham play?"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"The half-arsed parody of a passing game Moyes is inflicting on us is clearly part of a war being waged behind the scenes. So when he birates players at half time for trying something attacking, we see the result in yet another soft goal conceded and practically no goal-scoring chances in open play. There is simply no getting away from how much he resents the job he's been asked to do."

[Gaffer58]

"Why in any of the many interviews before or after a game by Moyes does he not get asked about our possession stats,or passing ability, the match commentators nearly always comment on how we drop deep and wait for a counter attack but he never gets questioned on it."

[BillyJenningsBoots]

"Lovejoy... I take your point that Moyes will not get renewed, but that means another wasted sesson where players and agents will get restless and no new signings in January and potentially players could look to leave. We should hit the eject button quickly and move on. I mean why didn't he bring Mubama on and put the square pegs back in the right places... he just drives me mad üò†"

[Willtell]

"In short, Soucek is the block on a passing attacking game for us. Unfortunately, Moyes sees him as his Fellaini that pops up with goals and tries hard to impress. Take him out of our midfield and he can compete with Alvarez for game time at DM. we only need one DM most games. That means Paqueta and JWP are our midfield 3 and Kudus needs a run on the left wing to see if that is a long term solution. Bowen is not a striker and it's crazy thinking to play him and Paqueta, our two best players, out of position. Put Bowen back on the RW. Moyes is just believing his own bullshit that he's a good manager because he's lasted a long time. Clearly for a side struggling with no money he was great but at West Ham his limitations are just too obvious..."

[dealcanvey]

Bowen was already a fantastic winger. Moyes is playing him up front as once again he did not cover the ST position properly. Id rather see Antonio upfront with Bowen back where he belongs. Also this 4 CMs all together makes us even worse.

[Lee Trundle]

"I know he's managed to make 2 average wingers (Antonio and Arnautovic) into slightly better players by playing them p front, but I've got a funny feeling doing that to Bowen isn't going to work."

[Sir Alf]

"I have been pointing at Soucek as a big part of the problem with keeping possession for a long while to the point of obsession. He's simply not quick, agile enough or technically competent enough to be starting Premiership games every week and playing the full 90. He's picked because he's tall and gives us extra defensive cover in defence at set pieces etc and wins a few headers in midfield. Tge goals recently have been seized upon by Moyes as justification of course but it's the aerial strength which Moyes places above everything else imo. Not surprising as Moyes was a CB who liked an aerial challenge. The late goals have got us some arguably undeserved points but as everyone says an impact sub if you need a goal has to be his role long term in the Premiership. But that will not happen under Moyes I wager. Longer term, JWP is another who should not necessarily be starting every game and playing 90 mins every game if we want to develop our ability to pass and move, play thru the press etc. But he is worthy of his place generally. Moyes is trying again to get us to keep the ball better but again it's failing as it did at the start of last season. We have some different players but still lacking a proper forward or two who are key to movement needed to stretch teams as are very good wing backs which Coufal is not. He's a good willing squad man and gets in some decent positions but a lot ( not all as per yesterday and their games ) of his deliveries and passing are not top quality. But mostly it's Moyes half baked / not fully 100% commitment to playing a passing game that means we looks half baked mess. Slow and little movement t means we simply pass it around in our own half and no ability to play thru the middle or create overloads etc. He's simply not a good enough, modern coach who can implement anything other than a defensive block , set pieces and counter attacking system which was found out 2 seasons ago"

[LeroysBoots]

"What annoys me is the easy ride Moyes gets from the press, nobody ever questions him and his decisions or tactics, why ?"

[Russ of the BML]

"Willtell 12:50 Mon Dec 4 That's it. Moyes has an obsession with those six players and he can't unlock the code. I said on the game thread, if Soucek doesn't score then he does little else. So, for me, he has to be sacrficed for a goal scorer. Not Bowen up front. he's too good at cutting in from the right. We need Mubama up front. Kudus left. Paqueta central and Bowen right. Kudus looked comfortable on left and he can cut in and hit them with his right. If he can;t cut in then he finds Emerson on the over-lap and gets inside to play as a striker. Same with Bowen and Coufal. Moyes obsession with Soucek is killing the club. He needs to be brought on if we need a goal or when we are 2 or 3 up to get them opponent on the back foot by telling Tomas to get up and get on the end of things. JWP and Alvarez are more than enough for DM's."

[Willtell]

"For me the midfield is the problem area Moyes can't cope with. He has 6 players he can't drop for one reason or another without causing problems for himself. The players are JWP, Alvarez, Soucek, Paqueta, Bowen and Kudus. Add to that the fact that we don't have an orthodox striker or left winger. So he plays all 6 together rather than buy or introduce new problems for himself. That's why we end up with Paqueta on LW. Soucek as Attacking Midfielder and Bowen as central striker. Maybe that's why we don't buy players to fill these positions? I reckon that Moyes knows his problems get bigger if he introduces Mubama or Cornet to win the game. If they play well he'll only need to find another reason to drop someone so better to keep them out the side... Conspiracy theory? Maybe but everything seems to point that way..."

[Lee Trundle]

"Watching Paqueta wasted out on the left wing has me pulling my hair out. He'll go with that all season, I reckon, now that he's found his new Fellaini."

[Manuel]

"His insistence on playing all three every week is fucking infuriating and sods law none of them are getting injured. For my money if we left one of them out yesterday, put Paqueta in the middle and either Benny or Cornet out wide we would have won, but what the fuck do I know."