Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Jasnik]

Jaan Kenbrovin 7:41 Tue Dec 5 That what worries me most. I think if we get top 10 and do ok in europe they will renew his contract. AS staying in the Prem is more important to them than actual football we can watch. As at the ground there really isn't really that much push back on Moyes.

[Side of Ham]

I've noticed something that those happy with what Moyes achieves never put the word FOOTBALL next to the word club......they know deep down that is not associated with West Ham United anymore......

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"""I don't think the owners will see a business case for change as firstly we've averaged 9th under Moyes and that's unlikely to change by more than a couple of places by getting a new manger in. Also we are sold out every week so there's no scope to increase gate revenue through more attractive football. Finally, while there's been some abysmal transfer business, can they be confident that would be better under new management if they have been party to the decision making"" As already pointed out Allardyce had pretty much achieved his basic remit but wasn't retained. Transfers are down to the manager, as he has always had final say. If transfers weren't down to him, that would be a mark against his ability to coach our recruitment. The idea Moyes is best business option is complete and utter nonsense."

[BRANDED]

Under Moyes the club's valuation has almost doubled. Of course this is of no concern to those who want more entertainment.

[OneAll]

"ill always respect moyes for winning us the trophy , but the football is far too boring , id prefer bilic tbh"

[Side of Ham]

I don't think he's found out where most these clubs we beat in Europe are from....just flew in and flew out......they are THAT unfamous.....still it's a trophy and was worth the 40 years wait eh twofacedex-plod.....

[twoleftfeet]

"No one has found him out yet in Europe you mug, look at his record. We can only beat what is put in front of us. Unlike you miserable cunts I'm enjoying the ride and when Moyes goes at the end of the season I'll be toasting the success he has had with us."

[ATHammer]

"Moyes and Ancelotti have a similar win record in Europe. I am reminded of Nigel Benn's fledgling career when he referred to the human punchbags in front of him as ""Mexican Road sweepers"" An impressive unbeaten record was established. It is clear that, to date, the opposition for Real Madrid has been Champions League calibre, so an impressive record. Our opposition has been part time bin men and park keepers, statistically impressive but substantively not. Ancelotti, like Benn learnt, refined and adapted their craft to become and maintain the highest standards they could achieve. Moyes will play the same way in the next game as he did in the first. He will get found out in Europe as he has been in the Premier League. Tried and trusted equals predictable and beatable at the elite levels. Lies, damned lies, and statistics comes to mind regarding Moyes record in Europe, flawed data and comparisons supporting weak arguments."

[BRANDED]

On may 31st Forbes valued us as the 15th most valuable football team in the world. It says we had increased our value by 20% ( around $200 million ). There are six clubs ahead of us in the Premier league. The growth in West Ham's value has been steady but under Moyes in that one year ( before the Conference cup win and sale of rice and new investment in players ) it had shot up. Apart from that I cant think of a single business reason for not sacking him immediately.

[Hammer and Pickle]

"""òfraid looking at past seasons' revenue picture is not going to make even the most narrow accountancy business case if the future is all about key players being sold for a loss and falling gate revenues. Neither is sticking your head in the sand and talking bollocks"

[Yorkammer]

"I don't think the owners will see a business case for change as firstly we've averaged 9th under Moyes and that's unlikely to change by more than a couple of places by getting a new manger in. Also we are sold out every week so there's no scope to increase gate revenue through more attractive football. Finally, while there's been some abysmal transfer business, can they be confident that would be better under new management if they have been party to the decision making. Personally, I'd love to see better football but I can't see the current owners having a case for change."

[Exiled In Surrey]

Russ of the BML 5:07 Tue Dec 5 Re: Moyes Out 100% #moyesout

[Russ of the BML]

"Yorkammer 1:28 Tue Dec 5 I make you right to an extent about the business plan. But I think what you should've said is that there is no business case to replace Moyes based on David Sullivan's plans for the club. Any owners with some spirit and backbone, and a financial determination and ambition to make West Ham one of the top clubs in England, would sack Dull Dave immediately. As someone pointed out, West Ham are soon to be part of a huge PL contract and increase capacity taking us to second highest in England. And we have Dull Dave at the helm. The business case is glaring. You want to be one of the best then you have to have a top notch product. Right now there are hundreds if not thousands of honest and loyal fans that are just not going. I personally know numerous people that blew Sunday out because they've had enough of the tedium. of the downright boring football on offer. And this isn't a new thing. This has been going on for a long while. Our PL performances poor to average for two seasons. And you think that's the way to maintain a solid product? For Sullivan, Moyes is a dream. Because Sullivan, like Moyes, is always about safety first."

[BRANDED]

"Apart from the income, the profits, the valuation and the attraction of professional investors and the new income streams coming in I cant think of a worse situation."

[Hammer and Pickle]

It's a bleak picture indeed when he doesn't even make the basic accounting p&l business case.

[GBHammer63]

"Thanks to Nagel for adding to my list of Moyes faults, to be honest, I hadn't forgotten them , it's just I was getting fucking RSI from the ones I'd listed."

[Nagel]

"I would say that a business case to replace Moyes would be the massive losses we have made from buying players and having to sell them as Moyes couldn't fit them into his limited style of play. Whether it's ones he inherited like Haller and Anderson, ones he bought himself like Scamacca and Vlasic or ones that have yet to be sold at a big loss but no doubt will be, such as Ings and Cornet. Then there's the abject failure to bring youngsters through, who could either fill a regular squad place at a much cheaper cost than our ageing players on much higher wages, or at least gain some value if they are to be sold on."

[BRANDED]

"The premier league has just negotiated one of the best sports contracts ever. Any team in that league benefits from it. West Ham are also about to add another 5,000 seats making the London Stadium the second largest capacity in the biggest league in the World. They are also currently in all the competitions they could possibly be in. When looking for a replacement they would want someone who can at least carry that on. Otherwise they aren't changing."

[GBHammer63]

"Moyes has put together a team over a considerable time and at considerable expense to play in his ideal way, unfortunately the players are played out of position, not very good at attacking or defending and generally are still half asleep after his inspirational half time talks. He won't make changes until he's forced and generally we've looked worse than the sum of our parts in every game we've played. He's called out our fans for their lack of support or voice during matches, he's now called out the players for not playing with any vigour. He's destroyed players belief to the point they can't wait to fuck off, Haller, Scamacca, Kral etc. He's alienated others to the point they couldn't wait to fuck off or he's bombed them out. He's shown over the past couple of seasons that he can't work with or take advice from any of the people that have been appointed to help him, probably appointed by himself. We play boring football, with little chance of ever getting on the front foot until 85 minutes and behind. We've more chance of being behind because he shuts the team down as soon as we do manage to score from a corner or set piece. It's everybody else's fault though. Oh , he's won us a two bob cup, thanks. You still get some blind, thick fuckers defending him and his tactics though."

[Eerie Descent]

Why haven't they handed the business building specialist a new contract then? Surely you wouldn't let a business building specialist like that have a chance of getting away?

[Hammer and Pickle]

"There can be no business case for muddled thinking, and what we have here is certainly a case of the latter. But you can't spend on quality players and expect them and supporters to accept mediocrity indefinitely. You can of course delay the inevitable by gaslighting that it's the best we can expect. Or that it's actually really good. Or it is impertinent to expect better. But that's just another stop-gap tactic. Eventually people realise the emperor has no clothes and they are being expected to pay top rates to accept a second rate product, and then it's curtains. Right now I'd say the fat lady hasn't quite started yet but she is clearing her throat to sing."

[Yorkammer]

A business case would be materially increasing income by using those players differently.

[Takashi Miike]

I think it's perfect business sense to get rid of a manager that hasn't got a clue how to use the multiple expensive signings that he's been given

[BRANDED]

"Last accounts on WHUFC site WH Holding Ltd has today announced its financial results for the year ending 31 May 2022. Across the 2021/22 season, the Club reports a net profit before tax of ¬£12.3million, a notable improvement of ¬£39.2m from the loss of ¬£26.9m in 2020/21. This profit was driven by a successful 2021/22 campaign on the pitch, as David Moyes's team finished seventh in the Premier League, securing back-to-back European qualification for the first time in the Club's 127-year history, and reached the semi-finals of the UEFA Europa League. In addition, the acquisition of a new investor ""ì 1890s a.s holdings, led by Daniel K≈ôet√≠nsk√Ω, who the Club were pleased to welcome as Joint-Chairman in November 2021, alongside David Sullivan and David Gold ""ì added further strength and expertise to the Club's capital structure and enabled funds generated through the continued growth in income across all core revenue streams to be directed into key areas of focus, building on the positive progress made at West Ham United in recent years. Turnover was ¬£252.7m, up ¬£60.0m on last year, driven by improved matchday, commercial and retail income thanks to the return of our incredible supporters following the COVID-19 pandemic year, a year that demonstrated football simply is nothing without fans, as well as the Club's memorable run to the Europa League semi-final. The Club's net debt, including cash, fell by ¬£130.0m, leaving it in a robust and healthy position with net assets of ¬£40.9m, including cash of ¬£96.5m at year end. Now. If results go bad or people stop going then they might react."

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"""òFootball is a business. There is no business case for the owners to replace Moyes' Of course there is. If they see the club not going in the direction they want or believe they can attract better. Same as when they let Allardyce go. It's amazing how many people want the club to improve the squad with expensive signings but make excuses why the club shouldn't look to better its manager."