Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Russ of the BML]

only1billybonds 1:53 Sun Mar 31 Cheers mate. The whole thing is just sad now. Such a shame. Looking likely that this position we find ourselves to properly move on as a club will be wasted.

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That performance must have sealed Moyes' fate in the eyes of the Board.

[only1billybonds]

"Russ. That, by some distance is the best post on this entire thread. Perfectly sums up Moyes tactics, attitude and persona. I have seen some shit served up by us since the 60's but for the first time in my life I no longer look forward to watching us. The bloke sucks the joy out of being a Wst Ham fan."

[Russ of the BML]

Mad Dog 1:45 Sun Mar 31 Totally agree mate. Very unusual mix of characteristics. An arrogant coward. One thing I will say is that it makes for a very unlikable and un-endearing person.

[Mad Dog]

I can't fathom how he's so arrogant yet is a coward with an inferiority complex at the same time

[Russ of the BML]

"I'm with Manuel. I utterly despise Moyes now. I find him unbearable. My hatred for him can not increase anymore than it is. I have never really liked the guy and always disliked him generally. I have tolerated him at his better times. He has an arrogance that I cannot get past - Especially more so because I cannot understand where he gets that arrogance from. But as Sir Alf said, I also cannot bear his football management based on fear. The bloke is a loser. And his management style ""in game"" is that of a loser. And instead of enjoying the match yesterday and, god forbid, even turning the screw and looking for 5 or 6 goals (which was well achievable with Newcastle falling apart at the seams), he allowed that fear to take control. Antonio was running riot and giving their defenders a torrid time. He is removed for a defensive midfielder in Phillips. Straight away we move backwards 30 yards. That space that Antonio created in Newcastle's half, which was being utilised very efficiently and, often, artistically by Paqueta, no longer exists. Paqueta is squeezed but then, unbelievably, put up front to play as a lone striker. In one fail swoop, Moyes deletes our main outlet up front, our main goal threat, our ability to defend from the front, our control of the midfield and our main creative threat. I mean, seriously, as I type this, I am still struggling to actually believe this really happened. It's almost akin to a boxing coach, with his fighter ahead on points and dominating the fight, getting him in the corner and tying one hand behind his back and saying ""Right, you've got 3 rounds left, see how you go"". As you would guess, he eventually gets knocked out and loses the fight. And the coach sits there, scratching his head, wondering how his man lost. The incompetence and naivety is staggering and so unusual that is is almost surreal. David Moyes with an unbelievable display of ""How to lose a football match"" from a unlosable position. The game yesterday after an hour was impossible to lose. You just couldn't lose. No other top tier manager in the world loses that game. David Moyes says ""Hold my pint...."" It was hard to watch. Yes, the penalty was harsh and Phillips shouldn't have taken a first touch. He was also turned so easily for their 4th and Barnes made him look like a non-league player with just a drop of the shoulder and burst of pace he left Phillips four yards away. But Moyes introduced him into a game where he was not needed and Moyes unnecessary re-shaping of the team created all of the pressure and allowed Newcastle to be in and around our box. And sadly, same with Villa. And previous. Probably anything from 1o to 15 points lost this year by Moyes fear. Unforgiveable. But where do we go from here? Teflon Dave moves on. No media outcry. No pressure from the board and us fans left trying to explain our reasons for wanting him gone. Outsiders will see this score as a PL classic. A top game that will be enjoyed on MOTD by all others. But, once again, the details are overlooked. Moyes sad and pathetic contribution to the game will be erased."

[dealcanvey]

The only notion Moyes gave that he got it wrong yesterday was by bringing Ings on in the 92nd minute at 4-3 down. Hes quite happy to let the likes of Phillips take the flak.

[Pentonville]

The fact he won a European trophy and is still loathed by such a large percentage of us should tell the media all they need to know.

[Sir Alf]

"As others point out yesterday was no surprise although it was a spectacular demonstration of Moyes tactics which are essentially built on fear. The fact he has never admitted his part in any defeat in the whole time he's been with us indicates, imho, a narcissitic streak and psychological weakness which will always prevent him from learning from mistakes. He cant admit to himself he makes them? Anyway, the fact we have effectively a 13 or 14 man squad is a major root cause and along with ageing, slow and technically wanting players across a number if positions means we are some way off becoming an established top 8 team that competes in the 2nd or 3rd tier European competitions year on year. The euro qualification run looks likely to come to an end this season and thats what he has hid behind for 2 years. A 3 year period of success ( relative to perennial relegation struggles ) then becomes a brief ""peak""ù in our history of mostly mediocrity. Now its possible he does another Houdini act and somehow wins the Europa or gets enough points for an 8th place finish but looking at the league fixtures and the Europa semi final against a very good Leverkusen team I just cannot see it? The odds are firmly against it surely? The ball is then firmly in the hands of the owners and board. What Sullivan, Kretinsky and other voting members do next is another, if not the most, critical ""sliding door""ù moment. Back Steidten to modernise the club, handle all scouting and recruitment and allow him to appoint a coach that is aligned with the tactical strategy or football philosophy to get the best from players recruited. Not without huge risk but thats whats he's paid for. If hopefully goes better than the Pellegrini era but should since it is founded on establishing a strategic approach rather than hoping a manager can somehow do everything including scouting and recruitment. I am consoling myself that yesterday, and what i see as an impending defeat to Leverkusen and mid table league finish without the revenues from Europe next season, will be more than ample evidence to empower Steidten and take a new direction. The key and aforementioned risks are how well he spends the summer transfer budget which will include ¬£85 million from the sale of Paqueta. But that ¬£85 million from his sale,while hugely frustrating, is essential because we need 5 - 8 players in the squad and at least 4 in the first team. Pace, technique and strength in thise players means they wont be cheap. Has Sullivan got the appetite for spending another 100 million on top of the 85? Thats the worry. But to get the quality of player needed thats what we have to spend. Finally another absolute must is getting a progressive coach that will integrate the youth and U21s but that is all part iof a club wide strategy with all teams pkaying the same style etc. Huge opportunity. Will West Ham ownership take the chance for once ( excluding Pellegrini which went tits up for aforementioned reasons) ? Or will it be risk averse, settle for lesser ambition or worse still stick with what we have ( Moyes) and see the decline continue in spite of record investment in players. The thought of Maguire and more overpaid, players with past reputations that are slow and old , makes us all shudder. In short ( yeah i dont do that do I ? :-) ) Moyes reign is over and he's done but do the owners recognise this yet?"

[british is best]

Moyes ineptness has cost us at least 20 points this season. in the last 3 games alone he's cost us 7 points. I was on kumb earlier and his apologists on there are even trying to pin the Phillips signing on steitden . It's absolute shameful how poorly the clubs being run .

[goose]

Massive Attack 3:17 Sun Mar 31 Re: Moyes Out We all know that Ings cannot play in the system we chose to employ. Hence why Bowen is the alternative to Antonio. We've had about 3 years to find someone who can do what Antonio does but have failed miserably in finding anyone. The drop off when Antonio is unavailable is blindingly obvious.

[Eerie Descent]

"It really is far too late for everyone to start getting angry now. This manager took a half a billion pound squad into a relegation battle last year, what does anyone expect? We had a huge, huge chance to take the next step as a club, but that's well gone now. If some else comes in, and the fact it's IF is fucking depressing, they have a monumental job on their hands now. A first choice right back, 2 centre backs, a back up left back, at least 1 central midfielder, 1 left winger at least, 2 strikers, and someone to replace Paqueta. Add to the fact that we are going to have a real problem with the home grown quota. That's before you get into some of the nuances like losing our best player in Paqueta, Soucek not being a starter for any other manager on the planet, JWP being powderpuff, our 2 best attacker's in Bowen & Kudus both clearly at their best in the same position, and being the 2nd oldest squad in the league. What a fucking mess we've got into by staying loyal to a man who won the modern day version of the Intertoto Cup, but nearly got us relegated at the same time. Shameful."

[Massive Attack]

"I'd argue we'd actually be top 4 about where Villa are now, if we had a manager as good they do. Or even the manager that schooled Moyes today in the same technical area as him just like he managed last season, when his Team isn't ravaged by injury/betting suspensions. When you think about it, we could count ourselves extra fortunate this season that Paqueta didn't suffer a similar fate as Tonali but I suppose that was all just a load of bollocks? I hope.. Compared to others, we've been very fortunate with injuries and yet we still manage to fuck up an advantage over the likes of Newcastle etc. Now we can look forward to them and others leapfrogging us into European spots as we head down the table."

[Texas Iron]

"We'd be top 6""¶ But for stupid defensive prehistoric game management by Moyes""¶"

[Manuel]

"This arrogant cսnt is beyond the pale now, the hatred I feel for him is something else I utterly despise this fucking piece of shit. He did exactly the same against Villa. Somebody please make this cսnt go away."

[Alfs]

"What I get is why other ex pro footballers, now pundits, don't get it? Both Sutton and Savage backed the cսnt on 606 tonight (though Sutton did admit that he fucked up with the substitution of Antonio for Phillips). ""Oh, but he's won you a European trophy"" A caller correctly pointed out that any manager would have won that trophy. I want the cսnt out tomorrow, not the end of the season. I'm ashamed that I defended him in the past."

[Massive Attack]

"...Oh yeah and of course Benrahma set up Lyons only goal today in a 1-1 game vs Reims. Don't worry, it'll be Fornals turn tomorrow to score/assist his goal whilst Moyes continues to figure out what on earth went wrong in today's game on his Betamax, the thick pre-historic Jock cսnt!"

[Massive Attack]

"Goose, we literally had 2 senior Strikers and 1 young Striker all kicking their collective heels on the bench. And not only that, even worse is we had a shit hot proven young Striker Scamacca* who he stupidly sold because he struggles to work with such quality Forwards - See also Haller. *Who incidentally scored today against the Serie A Champions Napoli in Atalantas latest win. That's now 10 goals and 3 assists (and his 1st Italian Internaional goal against England at Wembley) for him since moving there from us. Moyes hasn't got a bloody clue."

[Ron Eff]

"It's one of a number of potential straw breakkng the camel's back moments this season. Fulham away was one, throwing the cup quarter at Liverpool another, plus the capitulation against Arsenal. He'll hide behind the referee mistake, and it was a mistake, but it doesn't happen if he swaps a striker for a striker. The player he brought on wouldn't be there to dwell on his clearance and allow Gordon time to make his cheat move, but more importantly, we wouldn't have surrendered the ascendency. They were there to be humiliated today and he decided to try to defend 3-1. Ref mistake or not, everyone knows what happened out there. I think this is the most damaging one for him if he wants a new deal. If he'd gone on to win 5 or 6-1, that would have put him in a pretty good position of strength. Fuck him, get him out of the club. Coward."

[Ron Eff]

"It's one of a number of potential straw breakkng the camel's back moments this season. Fulham away was one, throwing the cup quarter at Liverpool another, plus the capitulation against Arsenal. He'll hide behind the referee mistake, and it was a mistake, but it doesn't happen if he swaps a striker for a striker. The player he brought on wouldn't be there to dwell on his clearance and allow Gordon time to make his cheat move, but more importantly, we wouldn't have surrendered the ascendency. They were there to be humiliated today and he decided to try to defend 3-1. Ref mistake or not, everyone knows what happened out there. I think this is the most damaging one for him if he wants a new deal. If he'd gone on to win 5 or 6-1, that would have put him in a pretty good position of strength. Fuck him, het him out of the club. Coward."

[JayeMPee]

"Time and again his cowardly tactics destroy us. Incapable of going for the jugular and seldom if ever gets his tactics and his subs right. Add to that his unforgivable youth tactics, or lack of youth tactics, and he is really holding our club back!!"

[goose]

For an apparently defensive minded coach we don't half concede a lot of goals. His idea of managing the game was playing without a centre forward and lining up across the 18 yard box. The club's inability to find a suitable replacement for Antonio will cost us dear (again) this season. When he's not on the pitch we struggle enormously.

[Helmut Shown]

"Despite the piss poor refereeing. They should never have been alllowed back in the game. Moyes bizarre substitution choices and his lack of nous when we are in trouble have contributed to a lot of the dropped points this season. Please deliver us from Moyesball, its not clever and its not entertaining."

[Massive Attack]

"If Roberto was what ultimately done Pellegrini, then Phillips is Moyes, Roberto. Only Moues actually really rates Phillips and saw him as a 1st Team mainstay coming from the Superstars of Man City. Clueless, costly arrogant prick who won't have any of it being HIS fault for ANYTHING."

[ozeki]

3 points today and we had a very good chance of being in Europe next year I think thats gone Someone has to be responsible for bringing in Philips the money his getting paid should have given us the edge to finish 5th/6th