Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[stubbo-admin]

No chance he's joining us now!  The time was in the summer.  That boat has sailed.

It was just in reply to what decent manager might want to join us.  He did.  Sullivan put an end to it though and went with Salthouse's choice.

This

[Lee Trundle]

No chance he's joining us now!  The time was in the summer.  That boat has sailed.

It was just in reply to what decent manager might want to join us.  He did.  Sullivan put an end to it though and went with Salthouse's choice.

[SUM A DING WONG]

Assuming all what you’re saying is 100% true. I’m not saying you’re not, before anyone thinks I’m being sarky.

What decent coach/manager in their right mind,will want to join us?

let’s face it, we’re going to sack JL and replace him with a boring Moyes type manager for the next 3/4 years!!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Please, anyone, feel free to say I’m wrong, and that we won’t do this?

Please, give me some hope.

I reckon Amorim was pretty interested in joining.  He mugged Sporting right off just to attend our interview.

It was Lopetegui's gig as soon as Moyes left.

Totally agree. He was in it enough to fly to England, go to Sullivan's house and have a meet with the bloke. At that point Sullivan is the salesman and Amorim the interested customer as much as the interviewer/interviewee.

If he wasn't interested at even a small level, none of that happens. 

Chaps,

These are lovely thoughts, they really are.

They aren’t going to happen, are they ?

Just so we’re on the same page.

Are you both insinuating that Almorim might still be interested in joining us?

If it’s not, and you’re just confirming that Almorim WAS interested in managing us - then, with all due respect, it’s neither really here, nor there.

[stubbo-admin]

Assuming all what you’re saying is 100% true. I’m not saying you’re not, before anyone thinks I’m being sarky.

What decent coach/manager in their right mind,will want to join us?

let’s face it, we’re going to sack JL and replace him with a boring Moyes type manager for the next 3/4 years!!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Please, anyone, feel free to say I’m wrong, and that we won’t do this?

Please, give me some hope.

I reckon Amorim was pretty interested in joining.  He mugged Sporting right off just to attend our interview.

It was Lopetegui's gig as soon as Moyes left.

Totally agree. He was in it enough to fly to England, go to Sullivan's house and have a meet with the bloke. At that point Sullivan is the salesman and Amorim the interested customer as much as the interviewer/interviewee.

If he wasn't interested at even a small level, none of that happens. 

[Lee Trundle]

Assuming all what you’re saying is 100% true. I’m not saying you’re not, before anyone thinks I’m being sarky.

What decent coach/manager in their right mind,will want to join us?

let’s face it, we’re going to sack JL and replace him with a boring Moyes type manager for the next 3/4 years!!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Please, anyone, feel free to say I’m wrong, and that we won’t do this?

Please, give me some hope.

I reckon Amorim was pretty interested in joining.  He mugged Sporting right off just to attend our interview.

It was Lopetegui's gig as soon as Moyes left.

[stubbo-admin]

 

The thing is, I think with a combination of our support not wanting him, and the media dying for him to fuck up - Lopetegui’s position, will become untenable.

Every little mistake on the pitch, will be met with moans and groans, which will then in turn, create an eerily depressing,  atmosphere - leading to the players falling
to pieces.

Welcome to West Ham Un-united FC.

Spot on.

Those that didn't want Moyes to leave, are in a loud majority who want Lopetegui gone.

 

To be fair, 

People who wanted Moyes out, haven’t got time for JL, either.

I’m going with the idea that Frank or Silva will be bought out of their contract and join us.

The voices in my head are telling me that it’s going to happen.

They can’t be wrong, Shirley?

Sullivan never has, but if he was going to, they seem like the type of managers and clubs he might look to approach. Neither with financial clout or major aspirations....both with managers clearly revered who have hit something of a glass ceiling where they are, who have demonstrated stability on lower level resources whilst gaining universal plaudits. 

I could see him being seduced by them if they could be got for single-figure millions.

[wils]

Stuff on Twitter about Edin Terzig being approached. Not sure how much truth in it. German Sky journalist vaguely alluding to it.

[SUM A DING WONG]

Indeed.

Give the bloke a chance!

 

The thing is, I think with a combination of our support not wanting him, and the media dying for him to fuck up - Lopetegui’s position, will become untenable.

Every little mistake on the pitch, will be met with moans and groans, which will then in turn, create an eerily depressing,  atmosphere - leading to the players falling
to pieces.

Welcome to West Ham Un-united FC.

Spot on.

Those that didn't want Moyes to leave, are in a loud majority who want Lopetegui gone.

 

 

To be fair, 

People who wanted Moyes out, haven’t got time for JL, either.

I’m going with the idea that Frank or Silva will be bought out of their contract and join us.

The voices in my head are telling me that it’s going to happen.

They can’t be wrong, Shirley?

[stubbo-admin]

Villa lost their opening game 5-0 last season. I wonder if they all shit their pants after 1 game.

Indeed.

Give the bloke a chance!

 

 

I think the issue that is becoming apparent is we're 10 games of the season in already including Cup matches, and we've not seen a coherent performance yet. Not one match of the season or pre-season that you could hang your hat on, and say "That's the plan."

He's also disaffecting players the club can't frankly afford to disaffect from a sustainability perspective (Alvarez, Kudus), and none of our key players (Paqueta, Bowen, Kudus, Alvarez, Soler, Summerville) are remotely looking like playing 'on form'. 

Lastly, he plays tactics that frankly don't suit the squad.  None of Paqueta, Kudus, Bowen...our Champions League level attack...have looked remotely effective, even in the moments when the team themselves seem to be playing 'The Lopetegui Way'. Wan Bissaka is a square peg in a round, wing back shaped hole. Same for Emerson. Areola is all over the place.

And to go with all of this, we're still shipping 2 goals per game (and looking like shipping more).

I've bought into his tactical approach, strategy, and the way our players might be able to fit it, but it's becoming increasingly clear that's not going to happen. By this point in time we might not be seeing total fluidity, but should be seeing some level of cohesion and effectiveness across more than 10 mins here and 10 mins there. And on top of that, even when the team are doing 'his' football effectively, we still don't look like a force to be reckoned with....just about competent would be a more accurate description.

Not the guy I wanted, but a guy I bought into, learned about, and got behind. But he's erratic, and seemingly incapable of working with what is by our standards a very talented squad.  The only pluses have been Kilman and Todibo thus far and yet every match they're sold down the river by his transition defence setup.

Frankly Lopetegui-ball is a failure. We've had the opposite of a new manager bounce. We went all out for the players he deemed truly important for him....Kilman, Soler, Rodriguez...and it's simply not working or even looking like it. 

I'm sure he can be effective somewhere with the right blend of players, but West Ham and our squad is not it. 

He shows no willingness to adapt his own tactics to suit the personnel...steadfast to his own belief in spite of clear evidence to the contrary.

It's now just about timing, optics, and appetite for better.

[Toast]

Villa lost their opening game 5-0 last season. I wonder if they all shit their pants after 1 game.

Indeed.

Give the bloke a chance!

 

The thing is, I think with a combination of our support not wanting him, and the media dying for him to fuck up - Lopetegui’s position, will become untenable.

Every little mistake on the pitch, will be met with moans and groans, which will then in turn, create an eerily depressing,  atmosphere - leading to the players falling
to pieces.

Welcome to West Ham Un-united FC.

Spot on.

Those that didn't want Moyes to leave, are in a loud majority who want Lopetegui gone.

[SUM A DING WONG]

Villa lost their opening game 5-0 last season. I wonder if they all shit their pants after 1 game.

Indeed.

Give the bloke a chance!

 

 

The thing is, I think with a combination of our support not wanting him, and the media dying for him to fuck up - Lopetegui’s position, will become untenable.

Every little mistake on the pitch, will be met with moans and groans, which will then in turn, create an eerily depressing,  atmosphere - leading to the players falling
to pieces.

Welcome to West Ham Un-united FC.

[Toast]

Villa lost their opening game 5-0 last season. I wonder if they all shit their pants after 1 game.

Indeed.

Give the bloke a chance!

[Come On You Irons]

My suspicion is if Lopetegui does get replaced we'll end up with either:

- Terzic
- Frank (buy him out of Brentford)
- Silva (buy him out of Fulham)

If it was my choice it would be Silva who I think would be a good fit for us. 

Sullivan I suspect would favour Frank. 

Steidten will likely favour Terzic.

Sullivan has never bought a manager out of a contract in 25 plus years of co-owning football clubs. What makes you think he will suddenly stump up the money now?

We all have to hope Sullivan's days running the club are close to being over and he can be replaced with a more ambitious owner sooner rather than later. Be that Kretinsky, a rich Middle Eastern Sheikh or whomever.

[Come On You Irons]

Lopetegui is a Lopetegui man.  I reckon he'd eat himself if he was made of chocolate.

You only have to look at his own website to see that.
Julen Lopetegui

Haha. State of that website, utter cringe. What a fraud 'loser Lop' is.

[stubbo-admin]

My suspicion is if Lopetegui does get replaced we'll end up with either:

- Terzic
- Frank (buy him out of Brentford)
- Silva (buy him out of Fulham)

If it was my choice it would be Silva who I think would be a good fit for us. 

Sullivan I suspect would favour Frank. 

Steidten will likely favour Terzic.

[SUM A DING WONG]

If Sullivan listened to the football people he's employed to make these types of decisions, then we could have had Amorim (who'll likely end up at City when Pepe goes) managing us and Duran leading the line.

He instead followed his gut (went with Salthouse's choice), and we've got Lopetegui managing our league position downfall and Antionio leading the line.

Assuming all what you’re saying is 100% true. I’m not saying you’re not, before anyone thinks I’m being sarky.

What decent coach/manager in their right mind,will want to join us?

let’s face it, we’re going to sack JL and replace him with a boring Moyes type manager for the next 3/4 years!!

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Please, anyone, feel free to say I’m wrong, and that we won’t do this?

Please, give me some hope.

[Lee Trundle]

If Sullivan listened to the football people he's employed to make these types of decisions, then we could have had Amorim (who'll likely end up at City when Pepe goes) managing us and Duran leading the line.

He instead followed his gut (went with Salthouse's choice), and we've got Lopetegui managing our league position downfall and Antionio leading the line.

[Adsiron]

I didn't know whether Lopetegui was a good manager as I'd barely heard of him before his time at Wolves. I did hope for better than we have had though and I blame our Chairman for intervening in the selection process when he should have been guided by Steidten's reluctance for Lopetegui..

I was initially disappointed to see our mostly old guard play for those first two losing pre-season games in Florida. We still had the new players to look forward to though. I was prepared to be patient for him to make changes and hoped for better to come. I thought the last minute goal at Fulham was a pivotal point and then again the win over Ipswich but no...

I think that because Lopetegui has not made an impact on the squad by now, he will almost certainly end up being sacked when Sullivan is prepared to see the risk of sticking is far greater than admitting he made yet another poor choice of manager...  

[SUM A DING WONG]

On the issue of Lopetegui "falling out" with people, it's an interesting one.

People falling out at clubs is quite common, and it doesn't necessarily affect the team or performances - look at Cole and Sheringham, who barely said a word to each other off the pitch at Man Utd during their most successful period.

But the worry with Lopetegui is that he's the man at the top of the tree and has a history of falling out with people almost everywhere he's been. It's why he left Wolves, there was tension with people at Porto and even within Spain's set-up. Yet he's never really anywhere for long. The early signs here, problems with Kudus for example, are not good.

Any other manager would still be enjoying a bit of a honeymoon period with players etc. I hope he turns it around, but I think he was a poor choice and he seems like an unsuitable fit for our club. Football management is often a case of horses for courses - a combination of the manager's skill set gelling with the attitude and expectations of the club and its fans. Lopetegui has never struck me as a West Ham man.

 

 

“The early signs here, problems with Kudus for example, are not good.”

Let’s put aside whatever our views are on JL, for a moment.

I happened to stumble across an article showing Kudus and a friend sitting in an Arsenal box during a CL game ( v PSG, I think), earlier in the month.

For many of you, you couldn’t give a fuck - fair enough.

But given our current predicament, I don’t think that’s a good look - in anyway, shape or form.

I will say, I think Kudus will always put in a shift and contribute to us, whilst he’s here.

But, he does seem to me, to be playing a bit for himself, at the moment.

As for his sending off - the paranoid, cynical and anti Gooner part of me, thinks that it was partly to show his dislike of Tottenham, to the Arsenal supporters, as much as for our support.

Now, I hope I’m just being a paranoid cսnt and that I am reading the situation completely wrong.

 

[THUNDERCLINT]

Lopetegui is a Lopetegui man.  I reckon he'd eat himself if he was made of chocolate.

You only have to look at his own website to see that.
Julen Lopetegui

That alone should cause for termination without compensation. We hired the fucking Spanish Alan Partridge.

[SUM A DING WONG]

Lopetegui is a Lopetegui man.  I reckon he'd eat himself if he was made of chocolate.

You only have to look at his own website to see that.
Julen Lopetegui

 

 

Seems like JL is the ‘Spanish Pardew’.

On a personal level, I can’t stand ‘self promotional’ stuff like that. 

But, I suppose,  like it or not, it’s the world we live in.

I understand that in some industries, it’s a necessity, in order to succeed. Don’t quite see the need for it in football, but there you go.

I’ve said this before, on here - if you only had a team made up of players (and a manager) that you really, genuinely, liked, you’d struggle to have enough to make up a 5 a side squad.

Possibly,  if you only had the likes of the Bowen’s  and Noble’s of this world you could - but how many of them would then stick around to make a decent squad?

Declan Rice being a classic example. Seems a nice bloke, but didn’t mind fucking off to a bunch of cunts down the road or using Ireland, to further his career.

Unfortunately, the majority of people, especially  in top level football, are rightly or wrongly,

Cunts.

All varying in degrees and types  of cuntiness.

But nevertheless,

Cunts.

Like all of us on here, really.

[Lee Trundle]

Lopetegui is a Lopetegui man.  I reckon he'd eat himself if he was made of chocolate.

You only have to look at his own website to see that.
Julen Lopetegui

[southbankbornnbred]

On the issue of Lopetegui "falling out" with people, it's an interesting one.

People falling out at clubs is quite common, and it doesn't necessarily affect the team or performances - look at Cole and Sheringham, who barely said a word to each other off the pitch at Man Utd during their most successful period.

But the worry with Lopetegui is that he's the man at the top of the tree and has a history of falling out with people almost everywhere he's been. It's why he left Wolves, there was tension with people at Porto and even within Spain's set-up. Yet he's never really anywhere for long. The early signs here, problems with Kudus for example, are not good.

Any other manager would still be enjoying a bit of a honeymoon period with players etc. I hope he turns it around, but I think he was a poor choice and he seems like an unsuitable fit for our club. Football management is often a case of horses for courses - a combination of the manager's skill set gelling with the attitude and expectations of the club and its fans. Lopetegui has never struck me as a West Ham man.

[Nutsin]

And U do realize that Kudus has to serve his ban first.

[Nutsin]

Midfield is an issue. Fuck knows what’s happened to Alvarez, but we lack any presence in the middle of the park. For years we’ve had Noble and then Rice, It’s become apparent now that we need to address it.

To his credit Moyes mentioned we missed Rice last year and the usual mob scoffed, but he was right. He tried to fix it with Phillips but he had no idea just how far Phillips had fallen off.

Id give Todibo a look at playing in front of the two center half’s, he seems to be a busy player that likes to get stuck in. Fuck knows we need a spark, someone to step up in a captains roll. Problem with this is Stavros will be the other center half. So perhaps not.

Hopefully a Rice replacement is top of their shopping list in January and we play Summerville on the left and replace Paqueta with Kudus. Gotta do something different currently we are one of the easiest teams to play against. 


Let’s see what he does for Man Utd.