Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[Vexed]

It’s about drilling into Paqueta no suicide passes if I play you further back 
he does it competently for Brazil 

but it’s a moot point anyway as he’ll never give it a go 

I can’t believe people are saying it’s not about team selection 
I can assure you our biggest problem is having 2 defensive midfielders play every game that have absolutely no pace and on top of that can’t receive a ball and lay it off with either one touch passing or take a touch that allows them to turn on the ball
from the small amount I’ve seen of Earthy it’s a skill that he possesses, whenever he received a pass with his back to goal his first touch would always instantly have him going in the right direction, none of our central midfielders can do that, and although it might not seem like a big deal is slows down play massively and allows the opposition to press
its a huge deal that a professional coach should see

Shows what you know, he's been getting slaughtered in Brazil for his performances.

I'm starting to think you're even more of a div than everybody already thinks you are. Some going that. 

[goose]

lol now you’re crying because nobody agrees with you.

dry your eyes son. maybe you can apply for the job when lopetegui gets sacked? just c&p your posts from this thread.

[Maverick180180]

Goose you know nothing about football, you’ve proved it a million times on this thread you fucking faggot 

if there’s one person who a bigger cսnt than Lopetegui, it’s you
 

[Maverick180180]

It’s about drilling into Paqueta no suicide passes if I play you further back 
he does it competently for Brazil 

but it’s a moot point anyway as he’ll never give it a go 

I can’t believe people are saying it’s not about team selection 
I can assure you our biggest problem is having 2 defensive midfielders play every game that have absolutely no pace and on top of that can’t receive a ball and lay it off with either one touch passing or take a touch that allows them to turn on the ball
from the small amount I’ve seen of Earthy it’s a skill that he possesses, whenever he received a pass with his back to goal his first touch would always instantly have him going in the right direction, none of our central midfielders can do that, and although it might not seem like a big deal is slows down play massively and allows the opposition to press
its a huge deal that a professional coach should see

[Hammer and Pickle]

I’d like to see what Paqueta can do with the ball in a proper midfield combination and overall formation that suits all selected players as best as possible. We haven’t seen that yet but, if we ever do and he still “loses the ball”, then I’ll agree he’s a cսnt and belongs on the bench.

[goose]

Massive fucking lol at the armchair Pep.

We are easy to play through, and slow. Your answer is putting Paqueta alongside one of Alvarez or Rodriguez.

The same Paqueta who constantly gives the ball away and is just as slow. We’d be even easier to play through.

[Vexed]

He’s changed the team around quite a lot 
but not once to the team I’m suggesting and I also know a lot of other West Ham fans wants to see

no matter how much he’s changed things he’s always started Rodriguez in every match alongside another slow defensive midfielder, and that has been and will continue to be our biggest problem 
but he doesn’t see it 

 

 

Thing is, it's not about playing the team the idiot fucking fans want to see, this cսnt is meant to be the expert. For what's it's worth not playing Paqueta deeper is sensible given his propensity to lose his he ball, he's already costing us goals further up the pitch, to drop him further back would be a fucking disaster. cսnt needs to be benched. 

[Mex Martillo]

I have to agree, I think many of the different starting selections look fine on paper and then they are rubbish. It's Lopetegue's plan and training that are the problem. Ain't working.

[Mex Martillo]

I’ve said countless times on this thread that Paquet should be playing where he plays for Brazil
getting Rodriguez out the team, who for me stinks the place out every game 
Summerville should be on the left
and Kudus should of been playing in his preferred position of number 10 

why Antonio has managed to keep his place is also baffling 
he’s had one half decent game against Ipswich and the level of opposition is probably the reason for him looking ok in that match 
Ings came on and scored against Fulham and hasn’t been seen since 

every week we keep getting called out for a lack of pace in the team 
but he keeps persisting with the same slow players
give Orford a try, there’s nothing to lose when the alternatives aren’t premier league quality (Rodriguez, Soucek, Alvarez)

 

 

I like that putting Paqueta further back. However, he would need to cut out the stupid mistakes that would put the shakey defense under too much pressure.

[RBshorty]

We will most likely lose tomorrow. We have the look of a team who have downed their tools. There’s no coming back from that.

[Manuel]

He’s changed the team around quite a lot 
but not once to the team I’m suggesting and I also know a lot of other West Ham fans wants to see

no matter how much he’s changed things he’s always started Rodriguez in every match alongside another slow defensive midfielder, and that has been and will continue to be our biggest problem 
but he doesn’t see it 

 

 

Sorry, but I think you're really clutching at straws if you think there is one ideal side that means we will all be good if that starts, and who plays the same side every week these days anyway. Our problems go way deeper than just the selection, can't believe anyone can't see that.

[Mex Martillo]

I agree it's a Lopetegui problem. I think the problem is that the players for some reason cannot do what he wants them to. This leads small errors that should not be a big problem, but are a problem as our defense is very easy to counter attack. All this I blame on Lopetegui, it is not getting things right in training and players not understanding or the plan not stopping the obvious attacks.

[Maverick180180]

He’s changed the team around quite a lot 
but not once to the team I’m suggesting and I also know a lot of other West Ham fans wants to see

no matter how much he’s changed things he’s always started Rodriguez in every match alongside another slow defensive midfielder, and that has been and will continue to be our biggest problem 
but he doesn’t see it 

[Manuel]

He's picked a different team in virtually every game, I really don't think the 'right side' whatever that is, is suddenly going to fix things, as it's a mess from top to bottom. That said, it's true that we have only lost to better sides than us, but the problem is how we have lost, being wide open in every game and having no recovery power once going behind. The subs are all over the place too.

If we lose again tomorrow he's going to be in all sorts of shit, with any confidence and hope all but gone.

[Maverick180180]

I’ve said countless times on this thread that Paquet should be playing where he plays for Brazil
getting Rodriguez out the team, who for me stinks the place out every game 
Summerville should be on the left
and Kudus should of been playing in his preferred position of number 10 

why Antonio has managed to keep his place is also baffling 
he’s had one half decent game against Ipswich and the level of opposition is probably the reason for him looking ok in that match 
Ings came on and scored against Fulham and hasn’t been seen since 

every week we keep getting called out for a lack of pace in the team 
but he keeps persisting with the same slow players
give Orford a try, there’s nothing to lose when the alternatives aren’t premier league quality (Rodriguez, Soucek, Alvarez)

[simons]

I think we are going backwards with this bloke, and it’s all on Sullivan with his buy cheap, buy twice policy on Managers. Happy to spunk nearly 30 mil on an aging striker, but never on the bloke who he employs to get the best out of him. Nothing changes under Sullivan, ever.

[goose]

“I stated in my original post that it’s not the level of performance I’m concerned about as I was willing to give that time, it was his team selection, and he’s got his team selection wrong in every game since.”

that’s absolutely mental.

you don’t care about the performance as long as he picks what you think is the best team?

tell me who should be playing that isn’t? From what I see they’ve all been poor in some games.

[Maverick180180]

Massive attack what complete and utter horse shit 

firstly you laugh that I called Lopetegui out as being shit after one game but completely ignore my reasoning for it

I stated in my original post that it’s not the level of performance I’m concerned about as I was willing to give that time, it was his team selection, and he’s got his team selection wrong in every game since.

picking your strongest team has got to be the most basic thing for a manager to do, if you can’t get that right then you’ve got no hope unless you’re managing a team with a world class squad, which we don’t have 

Persisting with players that either don’t or rarely perform well is madness, but he keeps doing it. I refuse to back a manager that does that

and secondly, how many excuses are you going to make for the bloke? You keep naming teams that you expect us to get beat by and therefore won’t judge him on that, 
failing to see that this manager is so shit that you’re expecting us to constantly lose but somehow that’s not his fault 

[Massive Attack]

For the people saying Lopetegui deserves more time I couldn’t disagree more 

I wouldn’t mind giving him more time if there was some small indicator that he has any clue as to what he’s doing, but there’s none 

this cսnt has been in charge for 10 games now and he hasn’t once sent out a team where every player is playing in their best position and every player is the best we have available 

I knew from game 1 he was a moron after I saw his line up, all he’s done since then is prove my first assumption right 





 

 

Laughable. 

He's been in the job 5 fucking minutes. In those massive 10 games so far, we've had to play in 5 London Derbies (4 Away from Home), Man City, Villa and Liverpool. 

Some of you are off your nuts if you think we should have instantly been playing decent Football with the huge turnover of Staff and Players combined this Summer, after years of playing overly defensive Football. 

Yes, it's not been good overall but neither was I expecting it to be at any point before Christmas.

Whoever was to take us over in the Summer was always going to need plenty of time to sort us out. 

Just 8 games in to a new League season and already the poor sod is written off after 2 months, although like you say, you already had after just 1 game...

I'll hold you to this next month

Why not. By that time we will have also played Arsenal, Newcastle and Man Utd in that time too. Lopetegui OUT!

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

For the people saying Lopetegui deserves more time I couldn’t disagree more 

I wouldn’t mind giving him more time if there was some small indicator that he has any clue as to what he’s doing, but there’s none 

this cսnt has been in charge for 10 games now and he hasn’t once sent out a team where every player is playing in their best position and every player is the best we have available 

I knew from game 1 he was a moron after I saw his line up, all he’s done since then is prove my first assumption right 




 

 

Laughable. 

He's been in the job 5 fucking minutes. In those massive 10 games so far, we've had to play in 5 London Derbies (4 Away from Home), Man City, Villa and Liverpool. 

Some of you are off your nuts if you think we should have instantly been playing decent Football with the huge turnover of Staff and Players combined this Summer, after years of playing overly defensive Football. 

Yes, it's not been good overall but neither was I expecting it to be at any point before Christmas.

Whoever was to take us over in the Summer was always going to need plenty of time to sort us out. 

Just 8 games in to a new League season and already the poor sod is written off after 2 months, although like you say, you already had after just 1 game...

I'll hold you to this next month

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Primary flaw in Lop tactics is high line with overlapping wing backs to create overloads. BUT… not having the pace and strength and legs in midfield to cover / prevent counter attacks if / when the opposition breaks thru our press from the front ( which is erratic with a 34 year old being part if it then fading 2nd half).  Paqueta losing it regularly and Areola unable to distribute with his feet over distance leading to it going straight back is suicidal. Why? Because that super sloooooow central midfield cannot press anyway and doesnt.  Rodruiguez, Paqueta and Soucek as a combo is just not suited to the Premiership’s pace and intensity.  The bigger problem is none of the central midfield seem to have the legs, pace needed.

in short, huge tactical to squad profile mismatch.  The ugly truth is we’d be better adopting a more deep lying, Moyesball low block.  But initially stop Emerson and Wan Bassaka bombing on as wing backs.  Back to square one? Problem with Moyesball was that without overloads via wing backs you struggle to get around teams and cannot press or play thru them either, surrender possession and rely much more on countering and set pieces.  Which incidentally Nuno has implemented at Forest successfully as he had at Wolves initially when he first went there and had 2 good seasons in the top 8.   

A mate of mine, a Forest fan, said the football is dire though.  At Wolves after 2 seasons Nuno tried to chamge their style from low block due to Wolves fans unrest about the style. Sound familiar?

There is the challenge. To play a possession, pressing game we need the right type of players esp in central midfield. We aint got all of the pieces of the jigsaw and unfortunately they cost a lot of money because they are quick, physically strong and have legs to get up and down like Caicedo, Bissouma, Tonali, Fernandez, Sarr etc.   

Last roll of the dice might be trying Alvarez and Soler in the mix with either Rodruigez or Soucek. But means Loppy dropping Paqueta and one of Rodruiguez or Soucek or all 3.

wont happen imo and Loppy will continue with the misfits for his system and lose his job by Xmas 






 

Good post that, Alfs.

Learnt to use the quotation feature now, have you? YOU MUG.

tbf.. I was only clued up last week on what tbf means

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

The best managers out of work right now that are within our range...

Potter
Allardyce 
Moyes
at a stretch Southgate 

Loppy fits the bill for Sullivan (not us), if it costs him a tenner to get rid its £9.50 too much

Wokegate..are you fuckin sure???

[Massive Attack]

For the people saying Lopetegui deserves more time I couldn’t disagree more 

I wouldn’t mind giving him more time if there was some small indicator that he has any clue as to what he’s doing, but there’s none 

this cսnt has been in charge for 10 games now and he hasn’t once sent out a team where every player is playing in their best position and every player is the best we have available 

I knew from game 1 he was a moron after I saw his line up, all he’s done since then is prove my first assumption right 



 

 

 

Laughable. 

He's been in the job 5 fucking minutes. In those massive 10 games so far, we've had to play in 5 London Derbies (4 Away from Home), Man City, Villa and Liverpool. 

Some of you are off your nuts if you think we should have instantly been playing decent Football with the huge turnover of Staff and Players combined this Summer, after years of playing overly defensive Football. 

Yes, it's not been good overall but neither was I expecting it to be at any point before Christmas.

Whoever was to take us over in the Summer was always going to need plenty of time to sort us out. 

Just 8 games in to a new League season and already the poor sod is written off after 2 months, although like you say, you already had after just 1 game...

[onsideman]

Without sounding like I am jumping on the Steidten bus, I thought it was known that Steidten wanted Amorim and Sully wanted Lope. Steidten managed to get Amorim in, but he for talks but he wasn't impressed with Sully (unsurprisingly). So it could be that, whilst Stieidten wanted Amorim, he will work perfectly well with another manager. But then, if that manager fails, who takes the blame?

It raises good questions about (already asked below) in that, if you sack a manager do you sack the TD also, or not? 

It's about all the recruitment though, Russ... not just the manager/head coach. We don't know the whys and the wherefore that's true, but not changing the keeper, not getting a left back, extending Cresswell's contract, getting in two midfielders neither of whom appear to be good enough, not getting the right centre forward, getting another right winger (who doesn't play) when we have already got 2 of our best players competing for that one position. Stuff like that. He seems to still be dining out on getting Kudus over the line - and that was hardly pearl diving

[Maverick180180]

For the people saying Lopetegui deserves more time I couldn’t disagree more 

I wouldn’t mind giving him more time if there was some small indicator that he has any clue as to what he’s doing, but there’s none 

this cսnt has been in charge for 10 games now and he hasn’t once sent out a team where every player is playing in their best position and every player is the best we have available 

I knew from game 1 he was a moron after I saw his line up, all he’s done since then is prove my first assumption right