NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[southbankbornnbred]

I read this week that QBs throwing towards Revis in that 2009 season would have received an average passer rating of 32.3.

As a QB, you could spike the ball into the ground on every single play and get a higher passer rating.

Revis was a cheat code - and a huge part of Ryan's defensive success. Although Rex will tell you that he had to coach Revis into that level, which is probably true.

This has all come up again only because Ryan seems to be angling for a return to the NFL.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Speaking of Revis, there's been a lot of talk about him on the Jets boards again - due to the discussion about what Rex Ryan (angling for a comeback) achieved with such a shite franchise.

Take another look at his 2009 season. Now THAT is a cornerback. That season will rarely, if ever, be repeated. The guy shut down 11 pro-bowl receivers in 19 games that season. The other 8 weren't even competition.

And he didn't just shut down great receivers, he absolutely dominated them physically and mentally. It's still the highest- graded season ever by a cornerback - and they adjusted the gradings to give modern CBs a chance. He stopped the following receivers from getting more than 35 yards: Andre Johnson, Randy Moss (twice), Marques Colston, Terrell Owens (twice), Torry Holt, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne. He stopped all-pro Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) making a single catch: zero yards. Dominated them all.

In two games, Randy Moss caught just nine receptions for 58 yards. And he had Tom Brady throwing him the ball.

Chad Johnson: "That 2009 f**king season will never ever, ever be replicated. That's impossible."

I know others will reach for Deion and Green - both amazing CBs, no question. But there will never be another pre-knee injury Revis. If you're picking the greatest NFL defense of all time, it's just a case of which CB plays on the other side from Revis Island.

 

 

Randy Moss was pretty good for the Vikings, then got caught pulling his pants down. 

[southbankbornnbred]

SB, listened to Terry Mclaurin yesterday who was with him at Ohio State when they won the college championship. He said he may come across as quiet and a bit of a loner, but it's because he's such a hard worker. A New Orleans journalist said the exact same thing a couple of days ago when asked about his character. He's got the perfect coaches now if that's the case

He's a good acquisition for an improving team, TM. Exciting times in Washington.

I get what Irons of Canada is saying. But most CB1s have up and down days. Because they're generally matched-up against the opponent's best receiver. I remember Deion saying that he was never "just" playing his receiver - he was playing the QB and receiver in combination, because as the leading CB you have to learn how to shut down both so that the QB doesn't want to throw towards you any more.

[southbankbornnbred]

Speaking of Revis, there's been a lot of talk about him on the Jets boards again - due to the discussion about what Rex Ryan (angling for a comeback) achieved with such a shite franchise.

Take another look at his 2009 season. Now THAT is a cornerback. That season will rarely, if ever, be repeated. The guy shut down 11 pro-bowl receivers in 19 games that season. The other 8 weren't even competition.

And he didn't just shut down great receivers, he absolutely dominated them physically and mentally. It's still the highest- graded season ever by a cornerback - and they adjusted the gradings to give modern CBs a chance. He stopped the following receivers from getting more than 35 yards: Andre Johnson, Randy Moss (twice), Marques Colston, Terrell Owens (twice), Torry Holt, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne. He stopped all-pro Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) making a single catch: zero yards. Dominated them all.

In two games, Randy Moss caught just nine receptions for 58 yards. And he had Tom Brady throwing him the ball.

Chad Johnson: "That 2009 f**king season will never ever, ever be replicated. That's impossible."

I know others will reach for Deion and Green - both amazing CBs, no question. But there will never be another pre-knee injury Revis. If you're picking the greatest NFL defense of all time, it's just a case of which CB plays on the other side from Revis Island.

[Takashi Miike]

SB, listened to Terry Mclaurin yesterday who was with him at Ohio State when they won the college championship. He said he may come across as quiet and a bit of a loner, but it's because he's such a hard worker. A New Orleans journalist said the exact same thing a couple of days ago when asked about his character. He's got the perfect coaches now if that's the case

[southbankbornnbred]

If he stays fit, Lattimore is a steal for the Commanders, TM. Especially for those trade picks.

A really solid and consistent cornerback.

He not really that consistent to be honest.

He can be amazing or can be pretty off.  



I like the Commanders, good luck to him and them.


Looking forward to a real new start next year with the Saints, I guess.  You saw that Carr and especially Kamara are more than servicable with a healthy decent OL.  But you need healthy receivers.  We will see.

My fantasy stuff is in the toilet as well.

Need West Ham (or Canada - though very limit opportunities) to pick up the slack and bring me some winter cheer. 

Four pro bowls in five years seems pretty consistent to me. Especially when you look at the yardage he (generally doesn't) give up even in the seasons since that run. He's a steal for those picks - providing he doesn't see the Commanders as the start of him easing down. I get that most CBs have bad days. Those that don't - like Revis - are few and far between.

[El Scorchio]

Ridiculous from Drake Maye.

 

It was unbelievable!

[On The Ball]

Have you seen his stats, IOC? They're ridiculous.

Just a shame that he's not quite back from a hamstring which means I probably won't see him in person when I go to my first home game on Sunday 

[ironsofcanada]

If he stays fit, Lattimore is a steal for the Commanders, TM. Especially for those trade picks.

A really solid and consistent cornerback.

He not really that consistent to be honest.

He can be amazing or can be pretty off.  



I like the Commanders, good luck to him and them.


Looking forward to a real new start next year with the Saints, I guess.  You saw that Carr and especially Kamara are more than servicable with a healthy decent OL.  But you need healthy receivers.  We will see.

My fantasy stuff is in the toilet as well.

Need West Ham (or Canada - though very limit opportunities) to pick up the slack and bring me some winter cheer. 

[Takashi Miike]

SB, yes it's a great value trade for us. The Saints have such a deficit on their cap, they have to make moves and we were short a CB1. Also helps he played with Mclaurin at Ohio State. We also enquired after your player DJ Reed but no joy there

[southbankbornnbred]

If he stays fit, Lattimore is a steal for the Commanders, TM. Especially for those trade picks.

A really solid and consistent cornerback.

[Takashi Miike]

Been hearing the Lattimore link for over a week, couple of regular posters on content creators called it. He's probably been in contact with Terry & Noah Brown

[On The Ball]

What a signing. I didn't think they'd go for anybody, but Peters comes up trumps again.

[Takashi Miike]

[Joe C]

Normal service has resumed and the wheels have totally fallen off our season. 

Bye week next week, and then we haven’t won the game after that for about 10 years now. So naturally it’s the 49ers away. 

Maybe we can spend the next two weeks teaching our O line to look at the QB in case he throws them the ball. Basic stuff, but we managed to fuck that up repeatedly last night

[Takashi Miike]

[zebthecat]

Ridiculous from Drake Maye.

[Takashi Miike]

Zeb, that turf issue is no doubt an even a bigger contributor to bad injuries. Darryl Green who recently had his number retired with us said he wouldn't go to a team that used an artificial turf for that reason, he played 20+ seasons

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[zebthecat]

There was some talk about the same thing for rugby due to knee injuries but it has faded out of the game.
I was drilled how to do that when I was young (open side flanker) and it very satifying whrn it comes off.
Don't think NFL "turf" does anyone favours regarding knee injuries
Jameis Winston is reverting to comedy pass attempts this evening.

[Takashi Miike]

those type of tackles, for me, should be outlawed. I've seen far too many (especially Redskin) players get bad knee injuries off the back of them and never be the same again

[zebthecat]

Saw something intersting in the Ravens Broncos game.
One of the Bronco's safeties (22) has brought Derek Henry down twice with a proper rugby chop tackle. Henry went down life a felled tree both times.
Not that it matters as Henry is trampling over the rest of the Broncos D.

[Takashi Miike]

SB, the blocking (again) comes down to the lack of coaching talent on that side of the ball. the O-line coach needs to be on the same page as the OC, it's clearly the tail wagging the dog at your place. we took on a bloke with a scratchy recent history (Bobby Johnson) but he clicked immediately with Kliff Kingsbury, and we've built this high scoring offense with a rookie off running the ball. that clown GM of yours needs to let whoever the next HC is, bring in his own people, instead of trying to please one player

[southbankbornnbred]

It's 100% epitome of the Woody Johnson era. Lots of noise, lots of razzmataz and lots of whooping. All skill sets and promises of great receivers and, now, a (formerly) great QB. But if you can't do the basics right, then you won't be a good side. The Jets need to throw out everything at the end of the season and get back to learning the basics. There's real talent on that roster. But none of them do the hard, unglamorous yakka.

[southbankbornnbred]

good win but you should be running the ball more, whether the two diva receivers like it or not. lean on hall and the rookie, and it would naturally make life easier for rodgers. sadly, you have a couple of twats designing the plays

100% spot on TM.

The problem is that, as Rex Ryan said last week, we can't block for toffee. On offense (run or passing) or on defense. That set of backs should be pounding out 150 yards per game. Old skool Jets football. But they can't because their line can't block and open up the gaps - and everybody knows it.

These are the core fundamentals of American football that, Ryan aside, the Jets have not got right since before the Johnsons took over the franchise.

[Takashi Miike]

good win but you should be running the ball more, whether the two diva receivers like it or not. lean on hall and the rookie, and it would naturally make life easier for rodgers. sadly, you have a couple of twats designing the plays