WHO vs. KUMB

[Come On You Irons]

I had a look on KUMB yesterday and was struck by how much more active it is in on there. Multiple West Ham related threads, decent debate and much more activity.

This site remains moribund despite the good work setting up the new site. Seems the owners held out too long before sorting the server issue and the site has suffered as only a handful of active posters remain, many of whom are abusive keyboard warriors who offer nothing but hatred and pettiness.

I'm seriously tempted to bin off this site and switch to KUMB, and I can't be the first. Something needs to be done.

[Hammer and Pickle]

Much of the earlier WHO humour was naive and unintentional, some of it brilliantly self-depreciating - take Gank’s heron thread, Gentile’s evangelistic efforts and the outright blockbuster, Dancer’s Printer. But there’s a line between good-natured banter and piss-taking and petty, unfunny personal smears that was crossed on the old site years ago, at least in part because it was never properly enforced on those who consistently failed to respect it. My Kid’s Karate Instructor Fancies my Wife thread was a case in point. Perhaps it was ill-advised and naive of me to test whether there were enough adults on here to defend the banter line?

[Nurse Ratched]

I don't want to get bogged down, flogging my horse to death, but I'll just say that you sort of helped prove my point when you mentioned Brexit. We had a previous referendum on Europe over 40 years ago and although people disagreed on the subject, it did not divide the country with people demonising each other, calling each other thick, and ruining friendships. The difference this time was social media. Social media is poisonous.

[Swiss.]

Swiss - I think you're right that in general people are more grumpy and miserable since the early-mid noughties, and that's reflected on WHO. However I disagree it's due to the economy. I believe social media has made (most? many?) people tetchy and miserable, even depressed in a lot of cases. People get caught up in it, including the tribal stuff, and lose perspective. 

Of course we were also approx, 15 years younger although the decline at WHO has been from around 2016. Maybe leading up to the Brexit referendum and beyond I remember It created a lot of division. Soldo said we should ban political threads. I think he might have been right. 

[WHU(Exeter)]

Nurse - 100% Left my mobile at home when I last went on holiday recently and aside from using my i-pad a few minutes each morning to check locations/transport, didn't touch IT/social media, any of it. Real sense of a kind of freedom a few days in and noticed how I was looking at things around me a lot more.

It really bugs me when in a shop or wherever they say "You NEED this App"...I don't NEED it at all, you just want me to have it.

[Nurse Ratched]

Swiss - I think you're right that in general people are more grumpy and miserable since the early-mid noughties, and that's reflected on WHO. However I disagree it's due to the economy. I believe social media has made (most? many?) people tetchy and miserable, even depressed in a lot of cases. People get caught up in it, including the tribal stuff, and lose perspective. 

[Swiss.]

As this is a general discussion about WHO v KUMB i'll contribute.....

KUMB
I rarely use it, but, I actually quite like it and have had a lot of help from people on there in the past. If you like the more serious side of discussions without pettiness then it will suit you, however, I rarely post on KUMB (or WHO) these days.

WHO
Back in the early 00's WHO was excellent, it had a mixture of serious discussion and some threads and punchlines that literally made me busrt out laughing whilst at my desk at work so much so that colleagues at the time used to ask me what I was laughing at, I had to make something up as IT usage for personal stuff was frowned upon so had to limit my time on the forum.

The problem, as I see it, is the evolving world of social media and everything being at your fingertips, so much so that back say 20 years ago you came to WHO for important information, now you don't need to. Add to this, and in my own personal opinion, WHO has lost a lot of it's better posters and has also just become a stomping ground for continuous personal insults and political crap. Yes you can ignore the threads but literally the majority of threads are the same people with the same retort - now, I find that boring.

I pop on every now and then but where as 20 years ago I would worry I had missed something if I had not been on that day I can go a week without even opening WHO now.

The new WHO is excellent in terms of reviving a dead horse so my thanks go to to wils, stubbo etc for getting it up and running, however, I would say (and I don't have the statistics) traffic and involvement is probably nowhere near what it once was - a lot of posters have fucked off and had enough.

It is a shame but as the world evolves people don't need WHO as much as they used to.

Yeah WHO was at it';s peak from 2001-2007 I'd say. There was still some serious slaging off but at least people had a sense of humour and didn't take things so seriously. Good posters left and those remaining have turned into miserable old gits. However I think generally times were much more fun until the finacial crisis of 2008. 

I loved that Swiss Toni guy and his health tips thread 

[Hammer and Pickle]

What do you think the score will be on Monday, Leonard?

I’m so interested to find out what you have to say.

[Leonard Hatred]

"When I argue, it is never just for the sake of it."

*snigger*

[Mad Dog]

This site has always been light on the moderating over disagreements and arguments.  Some posters just seem to be in pointless arguments nomatter what thread they are in, pointless name calling and it spills onto numerous threads , usually spoiling them.  

You seem to think mods on here are plentiful and have the time and frankly the arse to read every post on every thread.  They don't. And the majority of posts "modded" over the years are the truly vile ones usually regarding real life details or illegal stuff.   

Yes you've had a lot of grief come your way on here over the years, some of it unwarranted, but you don't help yourself sometimes

Frankly a lot of people on here need to grow up

[Hammer and Pickle]

Mad Dog

I was asking if you'd agree on the principle that if posters don't behave like adults, a mod has a job to do.

Clearly, I'm not going to get even that agreement from you.

When I argue, it is never just for the sake of it. Also, I have made up my mind on why the old WHO lost most of its adult posters and I have nothing more to say to you.

 

[Mad Dog]

H&p 
1 mods on here don't exactly get paid for this and they're just helping out where possible.  Most aren't on here a lot and I dont even know who the mods are on here anymore
2.  did your ironyometer explode there?  Youre one of the main culprits for pointless arguing on here.  Though obviously you're not arguing on your own

[Mike Oxsaw]

If you "Foe" posters who's style , attitude or content you disagree with, why should a mod get involved?

You'll never see or hear from then again, or do you actually want them publicly humiliated by being placed in some digital version of village stocks so you and others can lob virtual rotten fruit & eggs at them?

[North Bank]

Something I was advocating 10 years ago.

Some people didn't want to do it because the traffic would drop off and so nothing changed, except the traffic, which dropped off because all but a core of good users farked orff, leaving certain mindless Arsecakes to treat it like their own little fiefdom and basically drag the site down to the playground level at which they wanted to function...

FMOBs look what the cat dragged in

[Hammer and Pickle]

H&p 

And there was me thinking it would be better if people on here acted like grown ups

We're fully in agreement there. Can we also agree that's a hypothetical and, in the real world, if some don't act like grown-ups, a mod with the time and inclination has to step in so the adults on the site don't just give up? You've noticed this happening yourself so I don't think agreement on this is too much of an ask. 

[Ged]

My goodness Ged posted. Only missing Alex V.
What about banning people that don't post on the match day threads? Including the womens one!

Mex, yes, I've posted, I'm not sure if I'm back though.  Just popped over because a friend told me there was something that might be of interest to me.   Having reactivated my login, I thought I'd comment.  I can't say I've really missed it.

I wonder who that was, I'll kill him.

I say "friend", but he's more of an old rogue really!!

[Far Cough UKunt]

My goodness Ged posted. Only missing Alex V.
What about banning people that don't post on the match day threads? Including the womens one!

Mex, yes, I've posted, I'm not sure if I'm back though.  Just popped over because a friend told me there was something that might be of interest to me.   Having reactivated my login, I thought I'd comment.  I can't say I've really missed it.

I wonder who that was, I'll kill him.

[Ged]

My goodness Ged posted. Only missing Alex V.
What about banning people that don't post on the match day threads? Including the womens one!

Mex, yes, I've posted, I'm not sure if I'm back though.  Just popped over because a friend told me there was something that might be of interest to me.   Having reactivated my login, I thought I'd comment.  I can't say I've really missed it.

[Ged]

Get,  Frankly the pathetic bickering on here has put a lot of people off.  It's the same dickheads all the time.  You've got to assume these are adults.

One of the reasons I'm barely on here anymore

Frankly why I stopped with it. As I say, I advocated for sorting it out, but it was allowed to go to seed.  It frankly stopped being fun. Or informative.  

[cup of tea]

As this is a general discussion about WHO v KUMB i'll contribute.....

KUMB
I rarely use it, but, I actually quite like it and have had a lot of help from people on there in the past. If you like the more serious side of discussions without pettiness then it will suit you, however, I rarely post on KUMB (or WHO) these days.

WHO
Back in the early 00's WHO was excellent, it had a mixture of serious discussion and some threads and punchlines that literally made me busrt out laughing whilst at my desk at work so much so that colleagues at the time used to ask me what I was laughing at, I had to make something up as IT usage for personal stuff was frowned upon so had to limit my time on the forum.

The problem, as I see it, is the evolving world of social media and everything being at your fingertips, so much so that back say 20 years ago you came to WHO for important information, now you don't need to. Add to this, and in my own personal opinion, WHO has lost a lot of it's better posters and has also just become a stomping ground for continuous personal insults and political crap. Yes you can ignore the threads but literally the majority of threads are the same people with the same retort - now, I find that boring.

I pop on every now and then but where as 20 years ago I would worry I had missed something if I had not been on that day I can go a week without even opening WHO now.

The new WHO is excellent in terms of reviving a dead horse so my thanks go to to wils, stubbo etc for getting it up and running, however, I would say (and I don't have the statistics) traffic and involvement is probably nowhere near what it once was - a lot of posters have fucked off and had enough.

It is a shame but as the world evolves people don't need WHO as much as they used to.

[Cabbige Savage]

Picjkle ban from kum for frets to kill 

[Mad Dog]

H&p 

And there was me thinking it would be better if people on here acted like grown ups

[dealcanvey]

Just see COYI first post on KUMB.

It mentioned how much he hates West Ham and not to forget, his six figure salary. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

This format is a lot better because we can flag abusive spam and the site mods tend to respond. If moderation standards are not observed by the mods on the grounds they don’t have the time, they can’t reasonably complain threads become a free-for-all scrap.

[Mad Dog]

There's always been arguing on here, that's not the issue.

The issue is it's always the same twats ruining all the threads

[Sir Alf]

Bickering and insults, arguing does seem to clog up a lot of threads.  It sometimes feels like a boxing match for those with low self esteem trying to elevate themselves, belittle others to protect fragile egos / psychological states. Its a widespread cultural phenomenon though nowadays or at least social media and T’internet has exposed it as such. As the great philosopher Ricky Gervais says, we are just a bunch of narcissistic apes who’s culture and societies are in advance of our primeval design ( to survive in a forest ).  No wonder there is a mental health crisis. Some of the bile online beggars belief until you read “naked ape” and any basic book on psychology.  Still us humans have always got our drugs, booze and addictions to alter our moods

Would be great if people were less defensive, more open minded but I suppose for many its hard to be humble when all those survival hormones running around our bodies direct our behaviour to being a self centred, fear ridden species that seeks to control everything and by trying to “run the show”.

As the old Prince Buster/ Specials song says, “enjoy yourself, its later than you think”.  We will all be forgotten after 3 generations like we never existed and just like the billions of years before we existed.  See another point of view, admit emphatically when you’re wrong. We get much more respect when we do ( usually ).  U cvnts !!!