Paqueta

[LeroysBoots]

"85 million !?! Lol, if we get that I'd piss myself Bloke was fucking terrible today, showboating twat"

[goose]

penalty aside he was anonymous again last night.
for someone who cost £45m he doesn't contribute anywhere near enough.

maybe man city will be desperate in january.

[Hammer and Pickle]

Bom rapaz! Você é o melhor ⚒⚒

[Sydney_Iron]

[Russ of the BML]

I have always thought Moyes and Lope wrong when they play him out of position or drop him. But I have reached a point now where I look at him. He's fucking tragic at times. Poncing about and giving it away. Bloke needs to take a long hard look at himself and step up. Just a waste of talent at the moment. 

[goose]

We are just football fans though.  It's not our job to manage Paqeuta and try and get the best out of him.

Of course we can support him, and personally I think he has been given allot of slack compared to some because of just how good he was for us in year we won the Conference League.

His form since then has been way off, bar the odd performance, and my view has been that his performances have not justified his selection and to a point where I would label him a liability because not only was he not producing anything, he was giving the ball away needlessly, in dangerous positions, more than anyone (or at least it seemed that way).

Absolutely gutted to be honest because there is an absolute world beater in there but for whatever reason (and probably directly linked with the betting scandal) he just has not been himself.

You support him to a point and I think we've gone beyond what we owe him in those terms so now he needs to earn his place back in the team.

Quite honestly, I think finding himself coming on in the fag-end of games while others (no names need be mentioned) seem to be automatic starters, has been too much for the man. He’s leaving town on that midnight train to Georgia as the song goes…

maybe if he played a bit better he might find himself on the pitch more?

[Hammer and Pickle]

We are just football fans though.  It's not our job to manage Paqeuta and try and get the best out of him.

Of course we can support him, and personally I think he has been given allot of slack compared to some because of just how good he was for us in year we won the Conference League.

His form since then has been way off, bar the odd performance, and my view has been that his performances have not justified his selection and to a point where I would label him a liability because not only was he not producing anything, he was giving the ball away needlessly, in dangerous positions, more than anyone (or at least it seemed that way).

Absolutely gutted to be honest because there is an absolute world beater in there but for whatever reason (and probably directly linked with the betting scandal) he just has not been himself.

You support him to a point and I think we've gone beyond what we owe him in those terms so now he needs to earn his place back in the team.

Quite honestly, I think finding himself coming on in the fag-end of games while others (no names need be mentioned) seem to be automatic starters, has been too much for the man. He’s leaving town on that midnight train to Georgia as the song goes…

[scott_d]

We are just football fans though.  It's not our job to manage Paqeuta and try and get the best out of him.

Of course we can support him, and personally I think he has been given allot of slack compared to some because of just how good he was for us in year we won the Conference League.

His form since then has been way off, bar the odd performance, and my view has been that his performances have not justified his selection and to a point where I would label him a liability because not only was he not producing anything, he was giving the ball away needlessly, in dangerous positions, more than anyone (or at least it seemed that way).

Absolutely gutted to be honest because there is an absolute world beater in there but for whatever reason (and probably directly linked with the betting scandal) he just has not been himself.

You support him to a point and I think we've gone beyond what we owe him in those terms so now he needs to earn his place back in the team.

[Hammer and Pickle]

You think I didn’t see what everyone else did, you great drooling humanitarian disaster? The entire debate was not whether he was horribly off form but what to do about it. I simply disagreed it was good policy to label him a liability and just write him off given the state of the club as it is. Now I fear it’s too late.

[Nutsin]

Looks totally disinterested now - best take an offer in the January window and say thank you.

Fair enough Pickle for admitting what most saw way back, the fella is a complete waste of space now and is just hanging around stinking the place out. Surely Orford is worth a go?

Manuel just a heads up fella, Pickle is a little bit slow.
He’s always the last to know.

[Manuel]

Looks totally disinterested now - best take an offer in the January window and say thank you.

Fair enough Pickle for admitting what most saw way back, the fella is a complete waste of space now and is just hanging around stinking the place out. Surely Orford is worth a go?

[Hammer and Pickle]

Looks totally disinterested now - best take an offer in the January window and say thank you.

[Mex Martillo]

Well Lopetegui agrees with quite a few of yous. Not me, but hope it works out.

[Mad Ferret]

Lucas Crapueta

[Sir Alf]

It was these three that then struggled and were conpletely overrun by Arsenal a few days later. The running and energy at Newcastle just was not there although goals change games and at Newcastle Izak and one of their midfielders missed a coupke of chances while at Arsenal they got a set piece and marginal penalty with Paqueta dangling a leg for Saka to leap up in the air. 

But Loppy then dropped Paqueta, then brought him on against Leicester in the advanced position no 10 again. The only decent game he had was deeper as more of a no 8.

Todibo has to play too. Not perfect but the quickest weve got and avoids Mavropanus who continually gets his positioning wrong, gives it away cheaply etc and consistently makes mistakes.

But 4-3-3 looks the best way although I would be looking to get Alvarez starting not Soucek in some games.  Both slow but Alvarez can pass.  

Our problem at Leicester was finishing no doubt. But our lack of pace meant them sitting deep and compact made it hard to get in behind which is our strength. Newcastle came at us and it meant ww could counter which is still our main strength going back to the glory days of Moyesball in 2022

[Massive Attack]

The winning formula in Midfield these days for me is what we did up at Newcastle in a 433.

Soler Soucek Paqueta

All 3 worked a treat working tirelessly together in both defence and attack. We need to get back to that compact shape and energy and then I feel we'll start improving again. The balance was just right.

[dealcanvey]

Paqueta is a bit of a Maverick player. I dont doubt his ability but the EPL is so quick and physically demanding and that is where most of midfield struggles.

I would CM has gone from one of our strongest positions to one of our weakest.

It needs a complete turnover. A mess we have created.

[Sir Alf]

With our current tactics and even last season or so under Moyesball himlosing possession and making ambitious passes that lose possession are liabilities for the team that now outweigh his positive contributions.

Some Manc fans refer to Bruno Fernandez the same way as he has been guilty with Cassemiro of so many turnovers leading to goals conceded.  Paqueta, Cassemiro , Fenandez are all a tad slow by current Premiership standards but great players that need “legs” around them to make them effective. Rice leaving at first didnt seem to impact too much but for me now its a huge reason why we cannot progress the way we play the game and why as a consequence we are so exposed in midfield and defence.   Loppy trying to play a more pleasing style ( what Sullivan demanded ) is exposing the fact we didnt replace Rice properly.  Alvarez, good footballer like Paqueta and Soler even Rodders but too slow collectively.  Fix central midfield and even Lops tactics could work.   

Anyway, Paqueta will continue to be a liability but is better in a deeper position if played. He seems to refrain from the Hollywood stuff when deeper and does use his body well making challenges. Ok against Arsenal he dangled a leg but againstvthe Barcodes he was decent.  We dont have anything better just now from what I can see.

[goose]

"When" he's on it, 100%. But it's been pretty much non-existent for the past year or so bar the odd flash of quality. It's been like playing with 10 men for most of the season he's played and it's been agony to watch. Especially when I know he's capable of so much more and gutted to see him be a shadow of himself. 

Newcastle was the one game where he looked more like his old self but it's not enough and deserved to be benched for Leicester after yet another shocking performance vs Arsenal gifting away Penalties as well as his customary passes in dangerous areas of the pitch. It needs to be his wake-up call now if he is to regain more constant decent form he's capable of.





 

We all see that. 

Our difference appears to be what a coach ought to be doing about it and how we, as fans should be supporting that process, right?

 

 

Does a coach need to tell him not to constantly give the ball away or not to give away penalties? We’re talking about our record signing here.

Paqueta is the 8th most dispossessed player in the PL this season. The others above him are largely forward players, it’s unforgivable to give the ball away so many times in the middle of the pitch.

He’s not a child but you wanna make excuses after excuse for him.

[Massive Attack]

"When" he's on it, 100%. But it's been pretty much non-existent for the past year or so bar the odd flash of quality. It's been like playing with 10 men for most of the season he's played and it's been agony to watch. Especially when I know he's capable of so much more and gutted to see him be a shadow of himself. 

Newcastle was the one game where he looked more like his old self but it's not enough and deserved to be benched for Leicester after yet another shocking performance vs Arsenal gifting away Penalties as well as his customary passes in dangerous areas of the pitch. It needs to be his wake-up call now if he is to regain more constant decent form he's capable of.



 

We all see that. 

Our difference appears to be what a coach ought to be doing about it and how we, as fans should be supporting that process, right?

If you mean supporting both the players and the manager, they certainly get plenty of that from me in the BML, even though Paqueta as much as I do like him has severely tested my patience ever since he stupidly got caught in a betting ring - lets have it right. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

"When" he's on it, 100%. But it's been pretty much non-existent for the past year or so bar the odd flash of quality. It's been like playing with 10 men for most of the season he's played and it's been agony to watch. Especially when I know he's capable of so much more and gutted to see him be a shadow of himself. 

Newcastle was the one game where he looked more like his old self but it's not enough and deserved to be benched for Leicester after yet another shocking performance vs Arsenal gifting away Penalties as well as his customary passes in dangerous areas of the pitch. It needs to be his wake-up call now if he is to regain more constant decent form he's capable of.


 

We all see that. 

Our difference appears to be what a coach ought to be doing about it and how we, as fans should be supporting that process, right?

[Massive Attack]

"When" he's on it, 100%. But it's been pretty much non-existent for the past year or so bar the odd flash of quality. It's been like playing with 10 men for most of the season he's played and it's been agony to watch. Especially when I know he's capable of so much more and gutted to see him be a shadow of himself. 

Newcastle was the one game where he looked more like his old self but it's not enough and deserved to be benched for Leicester after yet another shocking performance vs Arsenal gifting away Penalties as well as his customary passes in dangerous areas of the pitch. It needs to be his wake-up call now if he is to regain more constant decent form he's capable of.

 

[Hammer and Pickle]

I watch almost all our games, hence the observation. Even when he's not making the key pass in the buildup or it's a set-piece, he's still the player other coaches set up to cancel out. When he's pulling the strings and engaged, we're a team worthy of the names in the starting line up. We're a collective mess when Paqueta is not on his game. 

Just a matter of opinion, like.

[Massive Attack]

To be fair H and P you were the one to make the claim Paqueta had been making such a significant contribution to most of our goals in the build up this season, so which ones were they beyond Newcastle and Brentford?

[Hammer and Pickle]

Don't hold your breath son

[Manuel]

Well you read that alright.

Yep, just waiting for you to read goose's post now.