Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[goose]

Ah the old £400m decimated squad.

Wasn’t our squad in the top 20 of the most expensive in Europe?

[Nutsin]

...not arguing with any of that.....but your answer to the question is?

 

Well, given the outlay over the summer and the expectations following our years of success under Moyes, I would set a minimum points target of 60 as a measure of success (aka not being a 'loser').

 

Struggling to see that.

I mean Moyes points hauls were:

Season 1 (half season, factored to full season) 40
Season 2: 65
Season 3: 56
Season 4: 40
Season 5: 52

So in his final two full seasons had an average of 46 points.  Across his entire tenure he averaged 50 points per season.  

Lopetegui arrived with a decimated squad of only about 10 viable outfield first team players, many of whom we're considered beyond it by most observers:

Emerson, Mavropanos, Coufal, Soucek, JWP, Alvarez, Paqueta, Bowen, Kudus, and Antonio.

Most observers considered that for upper first team success the only viable squad members were:

Areola, Emerson, Alvarez, Paqueta, Bowen and Kudus, with others being fillers at best.

So the 'investment' you describe was into a decimated squad (a squad being 25 players afterall) and with a net spend of about 100m acorss 9 players....barely averaging out at 10m per player.

I agree he's underperforming, mostly in terms of extracting cohesive team performances, but to suggest in a first season where trying to completely turn around a style of play that was entrenched, bed in half a new squad, and compete in the hardest league in the world, that he'd be expected to get 60 points is an insane perspective frankly.

What Moyes did in his first full season (the Covid ravaged balck swan of a season I might add) and to some extent in his second season (although really only up until Xmas) is without doubt some of the best times we've had.  But from Xmas on in his second full season he was frankly appalling from a league perspective, and saved only by the victory in the Conference League...which was great memories...but assesed in terms of opposition was the equivalent of facing Div 2/Div 1 teams all the way to the final, where you play a top level Championship side in the final.  Great memories, but looked at without the emotion....not a single game won in that tournament could you really pin your colours too as a 'great result' on a team vs team basis.

If as you suggest we are in a relegation battle, I agree with you 'Loser Lop' will have been an unmitigated disaster.  But as of now we don't show any signs of that.

But it would be more than reasonable to see success as matching Moyes' tenure points hall average (50) whilst making our football more easy on the eye by the end of it, and with the squad having been rebuilt to think that a reasonable challenge and improvement could be expected in his second season.

I don't think he's the right guy, but your 'success' narrative is, IMO, laughable.

Fuck me, Moyes got all those points and all those European wins with a decimated squad. Fucking outstanding stuff! I didn’t realize he did so much with so little. Great stuff! Thanks Stubbo!

[eusebiovic]

I bet that you look good on the touchline
I  don't know if you're lookin' for sexy football or I don't know if it's a flat back four
I said, I bet that you look good on the touchline shouting to the ref like a sweaty sock from 1984
Well, from 1984

[Massive Attack]

To think that Lopetegui would take a team that has won 4 times in 5 months in the league, and put them on course for a 60 point season after massive scale player turnover, complete change of style, etc.  Bonkers.

 

It certainly is. 

[stubbo-admin]

To add to this....in the second half of last season, Moyes won us 19 points. 

That's the same as Pellegrini achieved in the first half of the season in which he was sacked and Moyes took over.

To think that Lopetegui would take a team that has won 4 times in 5 months in the league, and put them on course for a 60 point season after massive scale player turnover, complete change of style, etc.  Bonkers.

With a small sample size, we're winning one in 3 games, and drawing one in 5.  Puts us on course for ~46 point season if all stays the same, with (you'd assume) the hardest part of his tenure behind us.

Anyone spouting the idea Moyes was on course to 'deliver success' needs their head examining.  The berating of Loser Lop has to be focussed on the type of goals we keep conceding, and the poor coherence in our collective team play.  Because on a points per game basis he's exactly matching the last 2 years of Moyes reigns (moyes 1.2 PPG, Lopetegui 1.2 PPG).  In his last half season Moyes averaged 1 ppg.

It's not good enough of course...but it's also not got worse than the point Moyes had reached.

[stubbo-admin]

...not arguing with any of that.....but your answer to the question is?

 

Well, given the outlay over the summer and the expectations following our years of success under Moyes, I would set a minimum points target of 60 as a measure of success (aka not being a 'loser').

 

 

Struggling to see that.

I mean Moyes points hauls were:

Season 1 (half season, factored to full season) 40
Season 2: 65
Season 3: 56
Season 4: 40
Season 5: 52

So in his final two full seasons had an average of 46 points.  Across his entire tenure he averaged 50 points per season.  

Lopetegui arrived with a decimated squad of only about 10 viable outfield first team players, many of whom we're considered beyond it by most observers:

Emerson, Mavropanos, Coufal, Soucek, JWP, Alvarez, Paqueta, Bowen, Kudus, and Antonio.

Most observers considered that for upper first team success the only viable squad members were:

Areola, Emerson, Alvarez, Paqueta, Bowen and Kudus, with others being fillers at best.

So the 'investment' you describe was into a decimated squad (a squad being 25 players afterall) and with a net spend of about 100m acorss 9 players....barely averaging out at 10m per player.

I agree he's underperforming, mostly in terms of extracting cohesive team performances, but to suggest in a first season where trying to completely turn around a style of play that was entrenched, bed in half a new squad, and compete in the hardest league in the world, that he'd be expected to get 60 points is an insane perspective frankly.

What Moyes did in his first full season (the Covid ravaged balck swan of a season I might add) and to some extent in his second season (although really only up until Xmas) is without doubt some of the best times we've had.  But from Xmas on in his second full season he was frankly appalling from a league perspective, and saved only by the victory in the Conference League...which was great memories...but assesed in terms of opposition was the equivalent of facing Div 2/Div 1 teams all the way to the final, where you play a top level Championship side in the final.  Great memories, but looked at without the emotion....not a single game won in that tournament could you really pin your colours too as a 'great result' on a team vs team basis.

If as you suggest we are in a relegation battle, I agree with you 'Loser Lop' will have been an unmitigated disaster.  But as of now we don't show any signs of that.

But it would be more than reasonable to see success as matching Moyes' tenure points hall average (50) whilst making our football more easy on the eye by the end of it, and with the squad having been rebuilt to think that a reasonable challenge and improvement could be expected in his second season.

I don't think he's the right guy, but your 'success' narrative is, IMO, laughable.

[Takashi Miike]

"Something that I don’t solely blame Moyes for."

he not only didn't sign anyone, he also released two important squad members and completely jeopardized the season. It's interesting you stopped at game 18, despite winning the 19th game. no doubt to pad out his stats from that game onwards where it was an absolute self induced shitshow

[Massive Attack]

Keep going Lopetegui and ignore all the noise. The more times you get us performing like at Newcastle, then you'll turn opinions around. Hopefully get a couple of back to back wins then it might relieve a lot of pressure on everyone that we can then play more like we should now.

Glad to see we at least try to win every game too, even if it doesn't always come off. That is a big change from the past I am encouraged to see.

[goose]

did I miss something or does the league season end on Boxing Day?

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Billy We were on 30 points at Christmas last year after 18 games.
6th in the table.

Feel free to check the tables. 

Reason why I mention Christmas as it was January’s disastrous transfer window that derailed our season. Something that I don’t solely blame Moyes for.

So tell me, how are you so sure that it was Moyes that fucked up last years season? Did you read it in some article in the Daily mail?

Let’s see how well J Lo compares at the mid way point and at the end of the season. 

 

 

Can you not read the table I added that totally confirms what I said...  no you mentioned Christmas because I compared this year to last year and we are merely 6 points 2 wins behind where we were. I didnt mention Christmas but with your usual rosey view of Moyes you like to ignore facts and make it someone elses fault and jumped to where you beleive we were looking comfortable..  At 15 games what I said that is a fact .. you made out we were so much better off giving your usual "I know better" and "who were you watching" well i know the facts because I always make sure before making rash comments like dimwit yanks do.... your more contrite tone confirms that you know you were wrong but are afraid to ever admit you are wrong much like your beloved Moyesiah....

Im not sold on Lopetegui he is still on borrowwd time if he doesnt turn the performances and reults around and if we are significantly behind where we were last season I will call it out... but as yet we aren't really that far back and performances are not that much worse whilst our stats are much improved in game.... so yes lets see how we go after xmas. 

What is not up for debate is that Moyes was finished, probably stayed 1 season too long and if we hadnt won the conference cup maybe he would have been binned off at the start of 2023/24....  so you and your cronies need to stop harping on about it!

[Hammer and Pickle]

Anyway, isn’t Sullivan notorious for his dislike of footballers? Or is that just an unkind rumour?

[Hammer and Pickle]

You don’t always agree with me, Sir Alf?

How is this possible!

[Sir Alf]

If we could take a blow to our pride ( be humble) , drop the egomania born out of our insecurities (desperate “need” to win argument morphing into defensive slanging matches and insults )  we should all hopefully agree, ( as just alluded to by H&P who I don’t always align with btw )  that both Moyes and Loppy have spectacularly underachieved in the league, trying to fit players to systems they are either not suited to or unhappy in. This has led to 4 wins in 19 and 5 wins in 15 in 2024 which is dreadful for both men. A couple of Moyes 4 wins IIRC were hardly convincing and even a few wins before xmas 24 were bleedin lucky ( e.g. Arse and Spuds away). Identical to most of Loppy’s 5 wins this season.  They are or were both unable to meet expectations.  Loppy arguably tries to play a better brand or more entertaining,whatever we want to call it , but its been equally ineffective. 

We all want better than Moyes and Lopetegui don’t we? And better recruitment too, which is at the core of all our problems of how the club operates which has been the signature of Sullivan’s tenure.  

Poorly run clubs have are almost guaranteed to recruit the wrong players and managers.  We are the “poster child” for that under Sullivan but not alone. Arguably the Mancs have been the same since Fergie went really as he was one of the last of the old school managers who oversaw everything, scouting, recruiting, team selection etc. They still havent set things up professionally either.  

[Nutsin]

Billy We were on 30 points at Christmas last year after 18 games.
6th in the table.

Feel free to check the tables. 

Reason why I mention Christmas as it was January’s disastrous transfer window that derailed our season. Something that I don’t solely blame Moyes for.

So tell me, how are you so sure that it was Moyes that fucked up last years season? Did you read it in some article in the Daily mail?

Let’s see how well J Lo compares at the mid way point and at the end of the season. 

[Lee Trundle]

Nutsin literally has no idea what happened last season.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Billy last season we were 6 th in the league on 29 points on Christmas Eve. 
Not sure what team you were watching.

As has been said numerous times on here it was a bad January window that ruined our season. Not sure you can lay the blame at Moyes for that. Although you seem quite confident that it was all Moyes fault.

so who’s fault is it now Einstein?

 

 

Oh dear Nutsack you got such a selective memory or Moyes tinted specs Im afraid ... you see it isnt Christmas eve yet and at 15 games in we were 9th with 24 point 2 more wins... like I said.. but I dont suppose I'll get an apology from a whingeing prick like you...

You keep harping no grasping to this January window badly managed by someone other than Moyes as the cause of all our problems .... thats bullshit and even a fuckwit like you cant really beleive that... its just one of Moyes's many failings.

Get back to your padded cell and take your meds...

[Nutsin]

Billy last season we were 6 th in the league on 29 points on Christmas Eve. 
Not sure what team you were watching.

As has been said numerous times on here it was a bad January window that ruined our season. Not sure you can lay the blame at Moyes for that. Although you seem quite confident that it was all Moyes fault.

so who’s fault is it now Einstein?

[Hammer and Pickle]

Both Moyes and this clown share a key feature - they expect players to fit into their preconceived system and are quite happy to treat them an expendable to prove a point. So rather than supporting their development, Benrahma, Downes, Paqueta and Alvarez languished under Moyes, and those that are here have regressed even further with El Moyes. Player relations - both are shit at this key aspect of the job.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Fucking Billy showing everyone yet again what a complete cսnt he is. Can’t one of you other wanky fuckwits help him out and explain to him just how fucking retarded he sounds when he posts. Sort it out ffs! Billy has to be king fuckwit! 

Wow ....

I see Nutsack is still in complete meltdown everytime anyone mentions his beloved .... its so sad  

Have they released you or is the wifi back up in your ward now.... are the other "Id have Moyes back" inmates still tranquilised then?

Btw only you and a couple of the Moyes cronies are left... no one really beleives he'd come back... just in your dreams

Oh Billy, you really are a thick cսnt! Coming on here gloating about Moyes being fired when everything and everyone realizes we are back in the Avram Grant days except you. One of these days you’ll wake up. 

 

 

Gloating.... haha.... Im not gloating those are the facts he was shit everyone wanted rid of him and no one wants him back except for his entourage of fawning retards... I mean you btw.

The fact that you are resorting to having a complete hissy fit comes as no surpris when you have absolutely no argument thats what a screaming queen like you does. 

Where we are is actually very similar to the start of last season still just 2 wins different and scaping some lucky results from some poor performances, so if its such a shit show why werent you calling it out last season and even more so the season before...!!!?

[Russ of the BML]

Just playing devil's advocate here.....

Moyes won 4 of our last 19 games last season. That's he went because he was shit. But he was was replaced by someone shit. But, as shit as Lope has been, he has managed 5 wins out of 15 - So has won more than Moyes did this calendar year in less time and games. 

Yet some people slate Lope and still crow for Moyes. But there icon is worse than the man they slag off. 

Why?

[Come On You Irons]

...not arguing with any of that.....but your answer to the question is?

 

 

Well, given the outlay over the summer and the expectations following our years of success under Moyes, I would set a minimum points target of 60 as a measure of success (aka not being a 'loser').

[Nutsin]

What a f&cking idiot.... what makes you think Moyes could do a job his last 6 months totalled 4 wins and a win stat of 22% yeah great idea.... regardless of the fact we'd be an absolute laughing stock, Id rather get Fat Sam back... that is how ridiculous that idea is!!!!

Ps cant wait for Nutstain to come out of his padded cell to read these comments!

Fucking Billy showing everyone yet again what a complete cսnt he is. Can’t one of you other wanky fuckwits help him out and explain to him just how fucking retarded he sounds when he posts. Sort it out ffs! Billy has to be king fuckwit! 

Wow ....

I see Nutsack is still in complete meltdown everytime anyone mentions his beloved .... its so sad  

Have they released you or is the wifi back up in your ward now.... are the other "Id have Moyes back" inmates still tranquilised then?

Btw only you and a couple of the Moyes cronies are left... no one really beleives he'd come back... just in your dreams

Oh Billy, you really are a thick cսnt! Coming on here gloating about Moyes being fired when everything and everyone realizes we are back in the Avram Grant days except you. One of these days you’ll wake up. 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

I think Moyes till the end of the season would be palatable enough. Just to ensure that we maintain our PL status.

Then in the summer have another go at appointing someone new.

What a f&cking idiot.... what makes you think Moyes could do a job his last 6 months totalled 4 wins and a win stat of 22% yeah great idea.... regardless of the fact we'd be an absolute laughing stock, Id rather get Fat Sam back... that is how ridiculous that idea is!!!!

Ps cant wait for Nutstain to come out of his padded cell to read these comments!

Fucking Billy showing everyone yet again what a complete cսnt he is. Can’t one of you other wanky fuckwits help him out and explain to him just how fucking retarded he sounds when he posts. Sort it out ffs! Billy has to be king fuckwit! 

Wow ....

I see Nutsack is still in complete meltdown everytime anyone mentions his beloved .... its so sad  

Have they released you or is the wifi back up in your ward now.... are the other "Id have Moyes back" inmates still tranquilised then?

Btw only you and a couple of the Moyes cronies are left... no one really beleives he'd come back... just in your dreams

[stubbo]

...not arguing with any of that.....but your answer to the question is?

[Come On You Irons]

Bloke got lucky last night, let's face it. Scraping a one goal win against a terrible team. All as I predicted.

'Loser Lop' will now limp on until January and we will remain in a relegation battle. A 9-point buffer to the relegation zone is meaningless at this stage of the season.

Just out of interest, how many points would he have to get to be considered not a 'loser'?

I mean at the moment we're on 18 from 15. Equates to an end of season projection of about 47....enough to comfortably avoid relegation and finish around 13th.

If we assume that there is eventually some kind of upward trend in performance, and we pick up a few more than we have until now....say he finishes with more like 50 to 55 points...is he still 'Loser Lop'?

Interested at what point your narrative is determined to be wrong?

Palace away - lucky win
Man Utd home - lucky win
Newcastle away - lucky win
Wolves home - lucky win

Four out of the five wins this season were lucky. Even Ipswich could have taken the lead against us.

Maybe Lopetegui's nickname should be updated from 'loser Lop' to 'lucky loser Lop'.