Man City vs West Ham United | PL | 4.1.25 | Predictions & Match Thread

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Match Centre:

Odds:
West Ham: 17/2
Draw: 6/1
Man City: 3/10

Pre-Match Press Conference:
Official Press Conference

Tactical Preview: 
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[Takashi Miike]

We gave as good as we got most of the game. Admittedly our forwards missed opportunities and they scored with four of their six shots. However individual mistakes and a very in incohesive display from our defenders cost us dearly as usual. I thought Summerville and Fullkrug did a fair job harrying their defence but as usual our passing let us down. You cannot keep gifting the ball to the opposition and expect to win. If you cannot play out of defence why do you keep passing back to your own goalkeeper? And why do you do it from advantageous positions in their half. We keep giving goals away by letting the opposition behind our defence from the wings while our full backs are parked halfway up the pitch. There is a lot of criticism of players like Coufal and Soucek who were being lauded a couple of years ago. They didn’t become shit overnight, they are just being given instruction by a tactically inept coach.

We are alarmingly shit at keeping hold of the ball. This has not changed in the slightest from Moyes to Lop. We are absolutely shocking when you compare it to other teams. Our stats must be right near the bottom of the league. 

Dreadful at passing. Dreadful at moving. Dreadful at creating space. The amount of times you see players not looking where they are putting it or just getting rid of it with one touch or trying to be too clever when they have time to put their foot on it and pick a sensible pass out is just embarrassing. 

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[goose]

You just know that on motd tonight it’ll cut to Moyes at 4-0 and say “penny for his thoughts”.

[El Scorchio]

We gave as good as we got most of the game. Admittedly our forwards missed opportunities and they scored with four of their six shots. However individual mistakes and a very in incohesive display from our defenders cost us dearly as usual. I thought Summerville and Fullkrug did a fair job harrying their defence but as usual our passing let us down. You cannot keep gifting the ball to the opposition and expect to win. If you cannot play out of defence why do you keep passing back to your own goalkeeper? And why do you do it from advantageous positions in their half. We keep giving goals away by letting the opposition behind our defence from the wings while our full backs are parked halfway up the pitch. There is a lot of criticism of players like Coufal and Soucek who were being lauded a couple of years ago. They didn’t become shit overnight, they are just being given instruction by a tactically inept coach.

We are alarmingly shit at keeping hold of the ball. This has not changed in the slightest from Moyes to Lop. We are absolutely shocking when you compare it to other teams. Our stats must be right near the bottom of the league. 

Dreadful at passing. Dreadful at moving. Dreadful at creating space. The amount of times you see players not looking where they are putting it or just getting rid of it with one touch or trying to be too clever when they have time to put their foot on it and pick a sensible pass out is just embarrassing. 

[onsideman]

Scoreline massively flattered City but no surprise when we are having to rely on donkies like Areola and Mavropanos at the heart of it all. We deserved to score more than once but typical of our season not putting so many chances created away. 






 

 

Still waiting waiting for you to say something negative about the manager. Not holding my breath 

 

Of course you are, obsessedman. You conveniently overlooked it in the Liverpool match thread the last time I criticised him. 

As for this game, I continue to believe, as I did in the Liverpool game he is naive to trust this group of players to play out from the back and over complicate it. As much as I like the ideas he wants to implement he simply hasn't the quality. That again is on Lopetegui but I'd imagine you'll overlook that criticism as you did against Liverpool...

Yet still you support him, Massive Twat

[Metroplex]

That first half was one of the worst Man City performances I've seen in donkey's and still we couldn't make a dent. Embarrassing

[Helmut Shown]

We gave as good as we got most of the game. Admittedly our forwards missed opportunities and they scored with four of their six shots. However individual mistakes and a very in incohesive display from our defenders cost us dearly as usual. I thought Summerville and Fullkrug did a fair job harrying their defence but as usual our passing let us down. You cannot keep gifting the ball to the opposition and expect to win. If you cannot play out of defence why do you keep passing back to your own goalkeeper? And why do you do it from advantageous positions in their half. We keep giving goals away by letting the opposition behind our defence from the wings while our full backs are parked halfway up the pitch. There is a lot of criticism of players like Coufal and Soucek who were being lauded a couple of years ago. They didn’t become shit overnight, they are just being given instruction by a tactically inept coach.

[Massive Attack]

Todibo limped off injured, it wasn't because he wanted to put the Greek tragedy on.

[Takashi Miike]

"the reason we lost 4-1 has nothing to do with fullbacks etc"

are you watching the games? they're (the FBs) being used like we're playing 3-5-2, it's disgraceful that he's still persisting with these tactics. he often leaves the centrebacks exposed, and when they do track back the play far too narrow

[Lee Trundle]

[Hammer and Pickle]

Whatever he’s trying to do, it’s not going to work if Lopetegui insists on having strong players out of position to accommodate grafters like Soucek and Coufal. He’s totally out of his depth, it’s chaos out there and I really dread to think what would happen if we get anyone new in January. He can’t even use this squad. 

[Lee Trundle]

The sooner these supporters of both work out that Lopetegui is just as shit as Moyes, and vice versa, the better.

[Takashi Miike]

I turned it off after the first goal as coufal got turned inside out, no idea what happened after that. How people still pay to watch this shit is amazing

during that twenty minutes or so, I saw kudus again still switched off playing in his favourite position, awb out of position and far too high up the field. It's painful 

[El Scorchio]

It's mongoloid tactics

 

 

Can we please pin this statement? Sums it up perfectly. 

[threesixty]

but Alf, you can sit higher with a cohesive back four. this cսnt has the fullbacks sometimes thirty yards advanced of the CBs without any responsibility to track back, and if they're not doing that they're tucking in holding the centrebacks hands as the opposing wingers have acres of space. It's mongoloid tactics

 

 

But none of the goals seemed to come from fullback positions being vacant right?
I didn’t see the coufal own goal but I saw kudus give the ball away whilst we were trying to break the press. A ball over the top for Halland where Kilman should have been a foot apart from him rather than level, his positioning needs to be better because he is slow. 
and a cross in with Halland scoring. Again poor CB positioning.

the reason we lost 4-1 has nothing to do with fullbacks etc. it’s individual errors from players who know what they should be doing and don’t do it. They lack concentration and create their own problems. This needs to drilled into them.

[Massive Attack]

Scoreline massively flattered City but no surprise when we are having to rely on donkies like Areola and Mavropanos at the heart of it all. We deserved to score more than once but typical of our season not putting so many chances created away. 





 

 

Still waiting waiting for you to say something negative about the manager. Not holding my breath 

 

 

Of course you are, obsessedman. You conveniently overlooked it in the Liverpool match thread the last time I criticised him. 

As for this game, I continue to believe, as I did in the Liverpool game he is naive to trust this group of players to play out from the back and over complicate it. As much as I like the ideas he wants to implement he simply hasn't the quality. That again is on Lopetegui but I'd imagine you'll overlook that criticism as you did against Liverpool...

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

 

And therein lies the paradox. Moyes side would get half that possession and a fraction of on target attempts but with fewer goals conceded. Trying to de-Moyes that squad without spending serious $ ain’t going to end well, so suspect Sullivan could be tempted to go there a third time as we still have pretty much the bones of the Moyes squad and Sullivan can issue a heavy dose of “careful what you wish for” to the fans. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm. That's rubbish. We regularly got absolutely thumped by City under Moyes. Plus he only got one league point in 12 tries.

[twoleftfeet]

17 goal attempts and 45% possession 

We dreamed of that under Moyes

 

And therein lies the paradox. Moyes side would get half that possession and a fraction of on target attempts but with fewer goals conceded. Trying to de-Moyes that squad without spending serious $ ain’t going to end well, so suspect Sullivan could be tempted to go there a third time as we still have pretty much the bones of the Moyes squad and Sullivan can issue a heavy dose of “careful what you wish for” to the fans. 

 

But that’s isn’t really true. Moyes teams got spanked just the same. The difference with Moyes is that his low block “possession free” style made it feel like the team was wearing a
straight jacket! Was impossible to change gear and even try to get something out of a game when your 3 nil down and you’re not set up to have possession of the ball.

At least Loppys teams create chances and can hold the ball a bit. 
I feel like another manager could take this team and improve the concentration and positioning of a couple of players. And it would be a good team. 
I just don’t know if Loppy can do the next part. 

 

 

Just to clarify I’m not looking for Moyes to come back, I’ll take Potter

[onsideman]

Scoreline massively flattered City but no surprise when we are having to rely on donkies like Areola and Mavropanos at the heart of it all. We deserved to score more than once but typical of our season not putting so many chances created away. 



 

 

 

Still waiting waiting for you to say something negative about the manager. Not holding my breath 

[Takashi Miike]

but Alf, you can sit higher with a cohesive back four. this cսnt has the fullbacks sometimes thirty yards advanced of the CBs without any responsibility to track back, and if they're not doing that they're tucking in holding the centrebacks hands as the opposing wingers have acres of space. It's mongoloid tactics

[threesixty]

17 goal attempts and 45% possession 

We dreamed of that under Moyes

 

And therein lies the paradox. Moyes side would get half that possession and a fraction of on target attempts but with fewer goals conceded. Trying to de-Moyes that squad without spending serious $ ain’t going to end well, so suspect Sullivan could be tempted to go there a third time as we still have pretty much the bones of the Moyes squad and Sullivan can issue a heavy dose of “careful what you wish for” to the fans. 

 

 

But that’s isn’t really true. Moyes teams got spanked just the same. The difference with Moyes is that his low block “possession free” style made it feel like the team was wearing a
straight jacket! Was impossible to change gear and even try to get something out of a game when your 3 nil down and you’re not set up to have possession of the ball.

At least Loppys teams create chances and can hold the ball a bit. 
I feel like another manager could take this team and improve the concentration and positioning of a couple of players. And it would be a good team. 
I just don’t know if Loppy can do the next part. 

[Sir Alf]

Moyes model was to sit back, low block and be compact, hard to get thru or around and concede as few as possible but make fast transitions from 25% or less possession and score most of the very few chances created. Trouble is it stopped working after 18 months so the fans no longer tolerated having a team not having the ball and every game like the Alamo.

Lop has us sitting higher, trying to keep the ball and progress thru teams but we dont have all the players needed to do that ( esp midfield ) and we dont have the defenders other than AWB and Todibo who can play in that kind of tactical set up.

We had 17 chances, scored 1 and only hit the target 4 times and somevof those were good chances.  They had eight, scored 4  and hit the target 6 times

Wrong tactics and swiss cheese squad both. 

Today I thought AWB, Todibo and Summerville were decent. Others tried but were too slow like Alvarez, Soucek and Fullkrug. Others really lacked the quality in passing and decision making or just too slow full stop, namely, Coufal, Kilman, Kudus snd Areola who were dreadful..

But we must never forget Sullivan is the root cause. Poor leadership, no vision, amateur in the world of football

[Manuel]

It's just rinse and repeat, this will be quickly forgotten about with all the focus on the Fulham and Palace games where he/we will nick something and on we go.

[Takashi Miike]

NY, we let in 74 league goals last season. the current bloke is on course for a similar total

[nychammer]

17 goal attempts and 45% possession 

We dreamed of that under Moyes

 

 

And therein lies the paradox. Moyes side would get half that possession and a fraction of on target attempts but with fewer goals conceded. Trying to de-Moyes that squad without spending serious $ ain’t going to end well, so suspect Sullivan could be tempted to go there a third time as we still have pretty much the bones of the Moyes squad and Sullivan can issue a heavy dose of “careful what you wish for” to the fans. 

[Leonard Hatred]

West Ham are really, really shit.