Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[threesixty]

Monday
I was meant to be sacked on Tuesday 
I still took training on Wednesday 
on Thursday Friday and Saturday 
We played on Sunday

 

 

haha... must be some AI mashup with Loppys face on this lol

[RootsRadical]

Sullivan has just reminded the footballing world what he is.

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[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Monday
I was meant to be sacked on Tuesday 
I still took training on Wednesday 
on Thursday Friday and Saturday 
We played on Sunday

[Massive Attack]

 Guillem Balague@GuillemBalague

 

  
Lopetegui went to work as he is supposed to.

And has prepared training which he will take He wanted to do the press conference as he is supposed to

He is preparing the Aston Villa game as he is supposed to

He is acting with the utmost professionalism

As of 10:30 this morning. Wow.

What else can he do but act with dignity when those around him are acting with none?

Not act with dignity and kick up a right stink. He'd be more than entitled too after all this and yet keeps a dignified silence and continues training when lesser classy managers wouldn't.

[Sir Alf]

What we need to be mindful of is that Potter favours a possession game like Lop. He is more flexible tactically and I think I read that he adjusts formations and systems / tactics but he will need to not make the mistake Lop made by fully committing to a 3-4-3 “3 box 3” and aggressive pressing, high up the pitch with wing backs advancing and rotating into a back 5 or midfield. We simply dont have the type of players needed and they were not comfortable doing it. Cases in point, we dont have a goalkeeper that can distribute with their feet and play as a sweeper, we dont have a central defensive midfielder with the legs and ball winning skills suited to defending counters and aggressive pressing. We dont have a left back that can play the possession game that Lop was attempting. Spurs and City are even struggling playing this way this season and the Mancs were too.

In other words, it wont be an overnight transformation under Potter imo.  He may need to take note of many teams in the division like Forest, even Liverpool who are having success against the Pep / Klopp style teams. Liverpool have switched to a 4-2-4 under Slott which coincidentally has seem Gravenburch emerging as the key player but Liverpool telying much more on fast transitions or counter attacks.  

We need to buy younger players and develop or allow them to be ready in 12-18 months and not keep trying to keep paying big money for “oven ready” players.  To do that means switching back a bit ( not totally ) to playing on the counter ( transition ) which I think suits Kudus, Summerville, Alvarez, our CBs and purchase a young player or two to develop or bring in some of the U21s working towards next season or more likely the season after. Buy some time. Potter needs to focus on stopping us conceding so many chances and goals and playing more 4-2-4.

So hope he does that, and fans then giving him the time he needs.




 

[El Scorchio]

 Guillem Balague@GuillemBalague

 

  
Lopetegui went to work as he is supposed to.

And has prepared training which he will take He wanted to do the press conference as he is supposed to

He is preparing the Aston Villa game as he is supposed to

He is acting with the utmost professionalism

As of 10:30 this morning. Wow.

What else can he do but act with dignity when those around him are acting with none?

[Massive Attack]

 Guillem Balague@GuillemBalague

 

  
Lopetegui went to work as he is supposed to.

And has prepared training which he will take He wanted to do the press conference as he is supposed to

He is preparing the Aston Villa game as he is supposed to

He is acting with the utmost professionalism

As of 10:30 this morning. Wow.

[violator]

If you get your login sorted quickly you can post on there that Potter is a failure, then if it goes wrong you can claim to be mystic meg agin

he's gotta think of a juvenile nickname for him first...like "Pointless Potter" or "Gormless Graham"

[El Scorchio]

I do find it a bit mental that even when we beat a team well (Newcastle) our fans still think that the fact that they had more shots etc means we were lucky. But when a team does that to someone else it’s fine (Leicester did the same to us for example). 
or when Moyes beat a team with 2 shots on target vs about 30 against. Again that’s a master class…

Please make it make sense..






 

 

You can't make it make sense, 360. That's the beauty - and horror - of the sport!

The performance against Newcastle was Lopetegui's highpoint, for me. He got it right that night and we looked impressive at times. But it was one of a few good performances among many poor efforts this season. The norm has been a disorganised, passive and over-complicated mess.

 

My problem with JLo is that as you said, that Newcastle performance was our best of the year. We controlled that game, they had their opportunities. We had the blue-print, 2 creative mids (Soler/Paq). Summerville etc. A team that could hold the ball further up the pitch and create attacking opportunities which pushes them back and helps out or defence. Thats modern football. Thats how you do it.

And then he changes the bloody team! And reverts to 2 CDM's, and all sorts of crap.
I didnt get it.

Made me lose all confidence in him and saw he likes to tinker too much. He also, seems to believe in "names" rather than players actually doing the right things in their position. Then he starts taking our best players (AWB) and changing their positions to solve other positions rather than coaching the solution or bringing in youth that he can mould (which would have got the fans on board).

It's like he cant read the room properly.
So for me, I dont particular care too much that he goes. But on the other hand given more time he would probably have done alright. But this is a big boys game, time you do not get.. thats just how it is.

 

 

Yes! The fucking endless tinkering and baffling line ups/leaving players out then putting them back in. It's almost as if he was trying to do the mirror opposite of what Moyes used to with his trusty 12 player squad. Both bizarrely sitting at opposite ends of a broad spectrum of common sense where both approaches are fucking stupid.

It's no good for the team in terms of the players gelling with each other and knowing what to do, and it also makes him look clueless and like hes no idea what players to pick in what formation (which I think we all think is true)

[Iron Duke]

I’m no fan of KUMB but what have they done to deserve this?

[goose]

I didn't even call you a cսnt then, so stop whining.

all I did is call you in your bollocks.

if you don't like the forum, feel free to leave it

KUMB is calling. I'm seriously tempted to bin off this place and switch to KUMB. At least on there you can have civilised debate and it isn't infested with angry people just looking to abuse strangers on a forum. Some people on here need to have a hard look at themselves and their behaviour.

laters!

[Massive Attack]

WHOicides

[Takashi Miike]

I didn't even call you a cսnt then, so stop whining.

all I did is call you in your bollocks.

if you don't like the forum, feel free to leave it

KUMB is calling. I'm seriously tempted to bin off this place and switch to KUMB. At least on there you can have civilised debate and it isn't infested with angry people just looking to abuse strangers on a forum. Some people on here need to have a hard look at themselves and their behaviour.

last season this cսnt was all over the moyes thread, throwing abuse around, wanting it locked ( "but I love free speech") and asking for posters to be banned. the hypocrisy is amazing
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[Lee Trundle]

COYI is fast becoming the Admiral Lard with the amount of WHOicides he's threatened to do recently.

[Mad Dog]

If you get your login sorted quickly you can post on there that Potter is a failure, then if it goes wrong you can claim to be mystic meg agin

[Come On You Irons]

I didn't even call you a cսnt then, so stop whining.

all I did is call you in your bollocks.

if you don't like the forum, feel free to leave it

KUMB is calling. I'm seriously tempted to bin off this place and switch to KUMB. At least on there you can have civilised debate and it isn't infested with angry people just looking to abuse strangers on a forum. Some people on here need to have a hard look at themselves and their behaviour.

[threesixty]

I do find it a bit mental that even when we beat a team well (Newcastle) our fans still think that the fact that they had more shots etc means we were lucky. But when a team does that to someone else it’s fine (Leicester did the same to us for example). 
or when Moyes beat a team with 2 shots on target vs about 30 against. Again that’s a master class…

Please make it make sense..




 

 

You can't make it make sense, 360. That's the beauty - and horror - of the sport!

The performance against Newcastle was Lopetegui's highpoint, for me. He got it right that night and we looked impressive at times. But it was one of a few good performances among many poor efforts this season. The norm has been a disorganised, passive and over-complicated mess.

 

 

My problem with JLo is that as you said, that Newcastle performance was our best of the year. We controlled that game, they had their opportunities. We had the blue-print, 2 creative mids (Soler/Paq). Summerville etc. A team that could hold the ball further up the pitch and create attacking opportunities which pushes them back and helps out or defence. Thats modern football. Thats how you do it.

And then he changes the bloody team! And reverts to 2 CDM's, and all sorts of crap.
I didnt get it.

Made me lose all confidence in him and saw he likes to tinker too much. He also, seems to believe in "names" rather than players actually doing the right things in their position. Then he starts taking our best players (AWB) and changing their positions to solve other positions rather than coaching the solution or bringing in youth that he can mould (which would have got the fans on board).

It's like he cant read the room properly.
So for me, I dont particular care too much that he goes. But on the other hand given more time he would probably have done alright. But this is a big boys game, time you do not get.. thats just how it is.

[Mad Dog]

I didn't even call you a cսnt then, so stop whining.

all I did is call you in your bollocks.

if you don't like the forum, feel free to leave it

[Russ of the BML]

Perhaps the problem here is that we are unaware of the terms of contract between The club and Jalopy. I would expect there to be terms referring to early termination and both parties concerned want to see their interpretation adhered to.

It might explain why the club appear anxious to sack Jalopy now instead of letting him see the season out. One thing for sure if Potter joins and we stay up nobody can say he saved us from relegation and if Potter took us down would his fans tell us it was because he took over a club in decline.

I am not so sure that now is the time to ditch the the hapless Spaniard and equally not so sure that Potter is our long term remedy.

And as much as we grew tired of Moyes it is his tenure against which we measure any manager of the EPL era.

"I am not so sure that now is the time to ditch the the hapless Spaniard and equally not so sure that Potter is our long term remedy."

Fuck me, what else do you need to see about Lope to tell you its not the right time to ditch him? He is fucking dead behind the eyes and has been for weeks. 

[Russ of the BML]

So do people think 23 points after 20 games that a manager should be sacked regardless? 

People on here appear to think that Potter needs time to address the squad and playing style. Those same people want Lopetegui gone without giving him the time to do the same. So Potter needs to better the points tally in as many games but with the advantage of the better squad Lopetegui leaves than he had when he arrived.

 

 

Yes, fair point.... BUT, people have seen enough to tell them that Lope is not fit for the job and simply is not up to addressing the issues that require urgent attention. 

Is Potter the man to do this? Nobody really knows. But I know enough about Potter's career to tell me he has the potential to do it. I also know enough about Lope to tell me he cannot do it. So what's the best option? Not Lope. 

[El Scorchio]

I do find it a bit mental that even when we beat a team well (Newcastle) our fans still think that the fact that they had more shots etc means we were lucky. But when a team does that to someone else it’s fine (Leicester did the same to us for example). 
or when Moyes beat a team with 2 shots on target vs about 30 against. Again that’s a master class…

Please make it make sense..




 

 

You can't make it make sense, 360. That's the beauty - and horror - of the sport!

The performance against Newcastle was Lopetegui's highpoint, for me. He got it right that night and we looked impressive at times. But it was one of a few good performances among many poor efforts this season. The norm has been a disorganised, passive and over-complicated mess.

 

 

To be fair, in the first 10-15 mins we really were living on the edge against Newcastle. Could easily have been one or two down early on. BUT, the players really grew into the game from then on and in the end fully deserved it. 

Leicester was ridiculous. We battered them for almost that whole game and did not get what we deserved, but such is football.

However, what was common in both games in the first 10 minutes our high line was horribly exposed with both sides getting behind and having a couple of great chances. Difference was Leicester scored one of theirs and Newcastle didn't. It's been common in  lot of our games for that to happen at the start and it's barely improved in six months. That's a huge black mark against the manager's name. The same shit and same mistakes are still happening as they were then with no seeming attempt to adapt and change or improve it. 

[,]

Perhaps the problem here is that we are unaware of the terms of contract between The club and Jalopy. I would expect there to be terms referring to early termination and both parties concerned want to see their interpretation adhered to.

It might explain why the club appear anxious to sack Jalopy now instead of letting him see the season out. One thing for sure if Potter joins and we stay up nobody can say he saved us from relegation and if Potter took us down would his fans tell us it was because he took over a club in decline.

I am not so sure that now is the time to ditch the the hapless Spaniard and equally not so sure that Potter is our long term remedy.

And as much as we grew tired of Moyes it is his tenure against which we measure any manager of the EPL era.

[southbankbornnbred]

I do find it a bit mental that even when we beat a team well (Newcastle) our fans still think that the fact that they had more shots etc means we were lucky. But when a team does that to someone else it’s fine (Leicester did the same to us for example). 
or when Moyes beat a team with 2 shots on target vs about 30 against. Again that’s a master class…

Please make it make sense..


 

 

 

You can't make it make sense, 360. That's the beauty - and horror - of the sport!

The performance against Newcastle was Lopetegui's highpoint, for me. He got it right that night and we looked impressive at times. But it was one of a few good performances among many poor efforts this season. The norm has been a disorganised, passive and over-complicated mess.

[LJC]

[Mike Oxsaw]

Yet again you rancid arrogant cretin, nobody thought this was a good appointment.  

Yeah but (he claims ) he called (CALLED) it first (FIRST) and being seen to be right (whatever that is here) first (FIRST) is more important and deserving of respect more than anything (ANYTHING) else.