Steidten Out

[Massive Attack]

I want this costly clueless conniving cսnt gone. We have suffered persistent injuries to expensive key signings this season, as well as others who just don't cut it against Premier League opposition, or have suspect temperaments/injury records previously known and they're all his picks. He clearly doesn't do his due diligence well enough as one of the stories of the season has been us suffering injuries to key new signings..

Fullkrug £27M - Suspect Injury History 

Todibo £34M (if avoid relegation) - Suspect Injury History/Suspect attitude problems at Barcelona 

Mavropanos £19M - Just utter dogshit (and ironically probably now out injured as well due to concussion for 10 days like Fabianski)

Alvarez £35M - Nowhere near good enough for the money we spent on him looking lost and slow as arseholes against Premier League opposition 

Kudus is just about the only costly signing that's come off that's genuine quality, although even he now has suspect temperament issues when getting himself a 5 match ban for fighting an entire Spurs Team in front of everyone. So fuck knows what he's also like behind the scenes..

Just sick of the persistent injuries to key players that has derailed our season and continues to do so on tonights evidence with Fullcrock, as well as all the unsettling bollocks behind the scenes. There's no smoke without fire and I now make that not 1 but 2 Managers in quick succession that allegedly told him to stay away from the Training Ground. It makes me wonder whether he is our Club Mole all along who has persistently leaked things out to the Media from either within the Dressing Room/Snaps with managers behind another managers back that then coincidentally get leaked at just the right time? A manager who was humiliated in the media for taking at least 2 Training sessions and possibly a 3rd on the last day he eventually got sacked and the whole thing was handled terribly which again points to Steidten and his breakdown in his 2nd relationship with a manager. And he's supposed to work with them, not against them!

On the radio yesterday when discussing Steidten someone mentioned how odd they thought it was to see him down by the players tunnel/dressing room area as well as doing interviews with TNT during the Chelsea loss earlier in the season and they thought good Technical Directors aren't seen front and centre as much as this one always appears to be. He's certainly got an impressive holiday snap collection he leaks to the media as soon as he takes them. 

The longer this season has panned out the more and more I've thought something just doesn't sit right at the Club and I genuinely think he has been at the heart of a lot of our issues. I suppose that's why it's now been known his position is under review and they're already on to him, hence why Potter swerved the Steidten question possibly knowing something we don't about him. 

Or does anyone still believe he's the right man to guide our Club making such big decisions within it?

 

[Mex Martillo]

I'm ok with Steidten, hope he stays. On the balance his signing have been more good than bad.
I dislike out threads as by posting you maintain a negative thread on the board. More constructive to have a neutral title.

[southbankbornnbred]

Can’t say I’ve been at all impressed with Steidten since he joined.

He’s helped sign many absolute howlers. And, as I’ve said before, IF people point to the “but he only signed x, while Sulli signed y and Lope signed z” then that ain’t a structure that’s co-ordinated or working to the benefit of the club or team. So you have to ask what’s the point in this fella?

He also seems obsessed with the celebrity of it all.

Let’s see how this window goes, as it would be odd to push him out now. But the focus should be on unpicking a mess partly of his own making. If he can’t, or won’t, then let him go in the summer.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Fullkrug wasn't the only option available in world football once the Duran door had closed. He shouldn't even have been in the conversation - even less so if your job is to unearth talent outside of that you can find on Football Manager

 

 

We're talking about a player whose last few games were in the Champions League Final and in the Euros for Germany, one who thrives on crosses when we've just brought in a manager who historically used crosses as the main method of attack. That guy should most definitely be in the conversation, although perhaps not in this hindsight one. It's silly to expect a DoF to be only looking for hidden gems.

[Manuel]

It's a real pity about Fullkrug, yes maybe overpriced, but there's a player there who seems to be respected as a no 9 within football.

[stubbo]

As a replacement if we'd outed someone, maybe, but absolutely no way should we have been shopping for a 31 year old to supplement the 34 year old Antonio and the 32 year old Ings. It's bonkers.

We weren't. We were shopping for Duran, but Sullivan pulled the funds when the price went up (after Villa had cleared their PSR issues with the same of Luiz and the winger to the Saudis).

Come on stubbo... Fullkrug wasn't the only option available in world football once the Duran door had closed. He shouldn't even have been in the conversation - even less so if your job is to unearth talent outside of that you can find on Football Manager

I agree and it's the transfer we can most judge his transfer dealings on from an identification perspective. But I also think he's a good player who will score goals for us, and we've been unlucky with his injuries. 

I mean it's not like he doesn't have a medical. They screened him and signed off on his fitness. My only issue with his signing is the fee is too high (and even that I believe has been misreported and is actually nearer to 20m with 7m in add ons).

[onsideman]

Surely we can all see Fullkrug was a panic buy when Sullivan wouldn't give him the money to close the Duran deal, which was where all the effort had gone?

It was late in the window, we needed a striker across the line, Fullkrug's injury record had been good for the last two seasons, and he knew the player and his personality.  In fairness the only issue with Fullkrug at West Ham has been his fitness. When he's played he's looked an intelligent footballer who knows his strengths and how to use them.

Since a calf injury in 20/21 season he's only missed about 16 games and all we're short absences, so whilst he's had lots of niggle injuries over his career, post 20/21, he's been pretty solid. We've been unlucky.

The only issue I can see with us having. Bought Fullkrug was the amount of money he cost. The player is a decent one, his recent injury record wasn't scary, and by all accounts he's a good voice in the dressing room too.

The fuck up was Duran which was partly on Steidten, but heavily on Sullivan too who got jittery once the cost went up to 40m.

As a replacement if we'd outed someone, maybe, but absolutely no way should we have been shopping for a 31 year old to supplement the 34 year old Antonio and the 32 year old Ings. It's bonkers.

We weren't. We were shopping for Duran, but Sullivan pulled the funds when the price went up (after Villa had cleared their PSR issues with the same of Luiz and the winger to the Saudis).

Come on stubbo... Fullkrug wasn't the only option available in world football once the Duran door had closed. He shouldn't even have been in the conversation - even less so if your job is to unearth talent outside of that you can find on Football Manager

[stubbo]

Surely we can all see Fullkrug was a panic buy when Sullivan wouldn't give him the money to close the Duran deal, which was where all the effort had gone?

It was late in the window, we needed a striker across the line, Fullkrug's injury record had been good for the last two seasons, and he knew the player and his personality.  In fairness the only issue with Fullkrug at West Ham has been his fitness. When he's played he's looked an intelligent footballer who knows his strengths and how to use them.

Since a calf injury in 20/21 season he's only missed about 16 games and all we're short absences, so whilst he's had lots of niggle injuries over his career, post 20/21, he's been pretty solid. We've been unlucky.

The only issue I can see with us having. Bought Fullkrug was the amount of money he cost. The player is a decent one, his recent injury record wasn't scary, and by all accounts he's a good voice in the dressing room too.

The fuck up was Duran which was partly on Steidten, but heavily on Sullivan too who got jittery once the cost went up to 40m.

As a replacement if we'd outed someone, maybe, but absolutely no way should we have been shopping for a 31 year old to supplement the 34 year old Antonio and the 32 year old Ings. It's bonkers.

We weren't. We were shopping for Duran, but Sullivan pulled the funds when the price went up (after Villa had cleared their PSR issues with the same of Luiz and the winger to the Saudis).

[stubbo]

I get that MO - and he was nowhere near Soler and the hapless Rodriguez - however I actually think it's fair and reasonable to make an assessment on the basis of Alvarez, Mavropanos and Fullkrug alone. 

 

 

Alvarez...identified by Noble actually (as Kudus). He just closed the deal.

Mavropanos...agreed, but if you look at his numbers, he was a good fit for Moyes....dominant in the air, pretty good as a backs to the walls type defender....and he was brought in for and became first choice under Moyes. One of the best aerial defenders in the league. Not saying he's what we need, but under Moyes he was viable (especially as the 3rd/4th choice he was bright in as on the cheap).

Fullkrug...given my view on this below. Value aside, think we've been unlucky and he's a good player.

Guilherme...need to know the fee structure to really evaluate this one, but he's 4(!) years younger than Summerville. Can't really assess for another 2 seasons properly, and it all comes down to how much did we have to pay up front and how much is performance/achievement related?

Todibo...juries out...has looked ok, but Lopetegui played him when injured and had a huge bust up. 

Soler....got the deal done, but identified and pushed for by JL.

Rodriguez...Steidten said he didn't think was up to it, JL wanted to push, and the other targets (Alexis and Kante) couldn't get done, so he was a freebie punt in a current Argie international.

AWB...Salthouse special by Sullivan

Kudus...identified by Noble, closed by Steidten

Summerville...Sullivan special.

Foderingham...no idea, but doing what he brought in for (training ground keeper)

Kilman...pushed for by JL...closed by Steidten.


That's the context behind the players that have arrived on his watch. Only 3 of the signings have been identified by Steidten out of 12. He's proven he's a very good deal closer and gets them over the line. 

He also didn't want JLo, pushed Amorim and Hurzeler. And from what it sounds like he's liked by the players, who trust him to take issues too, and that JLo was a shit show. Of course he fell out with Moyes...was anathema to the way Moyes wants to run a club, they knew Moyes was leaving and were looking for replacements (his job) which would have been under board direction.

If he'd had actual control over signings in the last window instead of the committee hybrid bullshit Sullivan has brought in, then we could judge better, but he hasn't.  I'd say he's too in the limelight and too leaky, but with the context of our club that's nothing new and it's often a dog eat dog place (with Sullivan the most snide and leaky of all of them...openly so).

But the best think Steidten does, is he can sell a vision to a player and get a deal over the line. Something Sullivan is hopeless at generally. And even for that alone he's worth having at the club.

[onsideman]

Surely we can all see Fullkrug was a panic buy when Sullivan wouldn't give him the money to close the Duran deal, which was where all the effort had gone?

It was late in the window, we needed a striker across the line, Fullkrug's injury record had been good for the last two seasons, and he knew the player and his personality.  In fairness the only issue with Fullkrug at West Ham has been his fitness. When he's played he's looked an intelligent footballer who knows his strengths and how to use them.

Since a calf injury in 20/21 season he's only missed about 16 games and all we're short absences, so whilst he's had lots of niggle injuries over his career, post 20/21, he's been pretty solid. We've been unlucky.

The only issue I can see with us having. Bought Fullkrug was the amount of money he cost. The player is a decent one, his recent injury record wasn't scary, and by all accounts he's a good voice in the dressing room too.

The fuck up was Duran which was partly on Steidten, but heavily on Sullivan too who got jittery once the cost went up to 40m.

As a replacement if we'd outed someone, maybe, but absolutely no way should we have been shopping for a 31 year old to supplement the 34 year old Antonio and the 32 year old Ings. It's bonkers.

[onsideman]

I get that MO - and he was nowhere near Soler and the hapless Rodriguez - however I actually think it's fair and reasonable to make an assessment on the basis of Alvarez, Mavropanos and Fullkrug alone. 

[stubbo]

Alvarez is a fucking shocking footballer at this level, absolute fucking carthorse. Throw the cսnt in the bin with the other rubbish.

Yep. The Mexican and Dutch Leagues seem to be about his level or slower paced International Football where it's less demanding than the Prem. Old Steidten loves a Carthorse having added to it with the perma-crock Fullkrug. 

Surely we can all see Fullkrug was a panic buy when Sullivan wouldn't give him the money to close the Duran deal, which was where all the effort had gone?

It was late in the window, we needed a striker across the line, Fullkrug's injury record had been good for the last two seasons, and he knew the player and his personality.  In fairness the only issue with Fullkrug at West Ham has been his fitness. When he's played he's looked an intelligent footballer who knows his strengths and how to use them.

Since a calf injury in 20/21 season he's only missed about 16 games and all we're short absences, so whilst he's had lots of niggle injuries over his career, post 20/21, he's been pretty solid. We've been unlucky.

The only issue I can see with us having. Bought Fullkrug was the amount of money he cost. The player is a decent one, his recent injury record wasn't scary, and by all accounts he's a good voice in the dressing room too.

The fuck up was Duran which was partly on Steidten, but heavily on Sullivan too who got jittery once the cost went up to 40m.

[Mike Oxsaw]

It's probably better to return to this subject once we've seen what movement happens in the current window.

I got the impression that he had actually identified several potential players* only for Sullivan (or, most probably, his agent string-pullers) vetoing them.


* - and, no, I can't list them, but I do recall that several names from South America were bobbing about a while back.

[claypole]

Dont forget the young lad at Fc Paris

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

To be honest, it's difficult for anyone to know exactly what's going on inside our World infamous Football Circus..

That's about the only bit you've got right in this thread.

Personally I never rated Steidten as much as others did in the beginning, because he was being given too much credit for Leverkusen's success. Seeing as there were two people above him, both an MD of sport (Voller) and a director of football (Rolfes), it was hard to gauge how much influence he actually had. By the same token it's ridiculous to blame Steidten for our current woes when we know for sure that he hasn't been the one responsible for choosing the coaches or many of the players. 

[onsideman]

Steidten is a liability, of that there is little doubt, however he wanted Hurzeler or Amorim and NOT Lopetegui so at least he's got that going for him.

Anyhow MA, I see you've now decided where your angst is to be directed now that your boyfriend has been given the boot. I thought it was going to be the (in your words)  "classless prick", Potter.

Injuries are "derailing the season now" but they most certainly weren't under the first 4 months of Lopetegui's tenure when we were affected less than any other team in the league. He did that derailing all by himself

[THUNDERCLINT]

MA, how did you fit all that sand in your vagina?

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

he was brought in by kretinsky as his proxy when the windfall we'd be getting from rice became apparent. the czech is an astute businessman and not a chancing barrowboy, as such, he hires professionals to delegate his responsibilities to.

sullivan doesn't like this, he's never liked it, and if you need any evidence of that i refer you to just about any social/mainstream media flapping skull that has ever had the ear of a certain "senior source", and the near incessant hit pieces on steidten. if it was sullivan's decision he'd have never been hired and been binned off lively.

kretinsky on the other hand will have his own performance evaluation and he'll be the one who ultimately decides his employee's fate. he will certainly be aware of the ins and outs of every deal made, and the whole propaganda charade sullivan is orchestrating through his shit rags that only the gullible and braindead are susceptible to will be of little interest to him.

i don't know what to make of steidten, i don't know exactly his involvement or how he operates, but the fact that sullivan seems to have a different picture of him on every number of the dartboard but is powerless to do anything about it is something that makes my day a little bit sunnier.

sullivan will be absolutely hurting. he made one big decision against all advice (not least of that steidten) and it cost the club millions and strangled our season in the cradle. now we've gone and got a bloke who he famously doesn't rate ("it was all tony bloom's computer") to clear up the mess and every success under him we have will just drive the nails in deeper.

Paragraphed perfectly.
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[Manuel]

Alvarez is a fucking shocking footballer at this level, absolute fucking carthorse. Throw the cսnt in the bin with the other rubbish.

Yep. The Mexican and Dutch Leagues seem to be about his level or slower paced International Football where it's less demanding than the Prem. Old Steidten loves a Carthorse having added to it with the perma-crock Fullkrug. 

 

 

I think Lop bought in the carthorse Rodriguez.

I'm fucked off, out of the FA Cup before the Saturday ffs. Depressing.

[fraser]

Is anyone thick enough to think Steidten has been left to do his job without restrictions other than this massive keyboard diarrhoea cսnt. 



 

[Massive Attack]

Alvarez is a fucking shocking footballer at this level, absolute fucking carthorse. Throw the cսnt in the bin with the other rubbish.

Yep. The Mexican and Dutch Leagues seem to be about his level or slower paced International Football where it's less demanding than the Prem. Old Steidten loves a Carthorse having added to it with the perma-crock Fullkrug. 

[Manuel]

Alvarez is a fucking shocking footballer at this level, absolute fucking carthorse. Throw the cսnt in the bin with the other rubbish.

[Massive Attack]

LJC

Oh right and where was that confirmed, or is it just an opinion (of which I hope is right)? Last it was suggested there's a 50/50 chance he'll go and he is currently under review. 

I've then created a worthwhile debate to be had over such an important position at the Club, so debate it or fuck off out of it instead of moaning like a bitch.

[LJC]

He’s going at/by season end but god you make you and this site look like a kids playground.

[factory seconds]

he was brought in by kretinsky as his proxy when the windfall we'd be getting from rice became apparent. the czech is an astute businessman and not a chancing barrowboy, as such, he hires professionals to delegate his responsibilities to.

sullivan doesn't like this, he's never liked it, and if you need any evidence of that i refer you to just about any social/mainstream media flapping skull that has ever had the ear of a certain "senior source", and the near incessant hit pieces on steidten. if it was sullivan's decision he'd have never been hired and been binned off lively.

kretinsky on the other hand will have his own performance evaluation and he'll be the one who ultimately decides his employee's fate. he will certainly be aware of the ins and outs of every deal made, and the whole propaganda charade sullivan is orchestrating through his shit rags that only the gullible and braindead are susceptible to will be of little interest to him.

i don't know what to make of steidten, i don't know exactly his involvement or how he operates, but the fact that sullivan seems to have a different picture of him on every number of the dartboard but is powerless to do anything about it is something that makes my day a little bit sunnier.

sullivan will be absolutely hurting. he made one big decision against all advice (not least of that steidten) and it cost the club millions and strangled our season in the cradle. now we've gone and got a bloke who he famously doesn't rate ("it was all tony bloom's computer") to clear up the mess and every success under him we have will just drive the nails in deeper.

[Massive Attack]

you could write for claret and hugh.

steidten is kretinsky's man on the inside and he's going nowhere, there's a power struggle going on and sullivan is wounded after his enormous fuckup in strongarming lopetegui in, so he's going 1000mph on the usual propaganda outlets to deflect.





 

 

 

Oh sorry, I missed which close source to the Club confirmed he was solely Kretinskys man and had nothing to do with Sullivan. Even though Jack Sullivan confirmed his cretinous Father interviewed him, as well as Kretinsky did after a Boardroom vote on it all..



To be honest, it's difficult for anyone to know exactly what's going on inside our World infamous Football Circus..