The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

I'll tell you a threat to national security. Letting in thousands upon thousands of illegal, undocumented immigrants, some of whom hate us and our way of life.

And the statement, "the UK is doing just fine" is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen posted on here in nearly 25 years of being involved with this forum.

Sorry bonzo you not fine then!?

Well some of us are doing great thanks. On the whole Id rather live in the UK than the US. Its all relative, sorry you are living below the bread line in some rat infested council estate overrun by gangs if Eastern Europeans and Palestinian refugees.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem.
Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

 

The second part is an argument you can make. 

The problem is your lack of critical thinking and ignorance, willful or not, of the history of the first part wholly undermines your use of it.


You have a remember, the group in power often gets to decide what is "wrong".  If you happen to agree with the current definition, life is great.  But we know what is "wrong" changes. 

You seem to have strong feelings about Elon Musk and Trump, now imagine them  deciding whether "you, yourself" are doing something wrong.  Do you still want to expand the powers?

And again if don't think governments have not abused an increase of surveillance powers, you are ignorant of the history.

Critical thinking lol.... my original point was about Nutsacks overdramatising the situation in the UK we are not in a post apocalyptic state. I am not affected on a daily basis by immigration numbers  nor do I thankfully live in Russia, North Korea or the United States of Musk and have enough faith in the UK legal system thanks.

No one is interested in my data. Even if they were most of Apples services are still end to encypted even without ADP. My data and yours held on other clouds are requestable by govt so I see no difference.

[only1billybonds]

I'll tell you a threat to national security. Letting in thousands upon thousands of illegal, undocumented immigrants, some of whom hate us and our way of life.

And the statement, "the UK is doing just fine" is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen posted on here in nearly 25 years of being involved with this forum.

[ironsofcanada]

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem.
Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

 

 

The second part is an argument you can make. 

The problem is your lack of critical thinking and ignorance, willful or not, of the history of the first part wholly undermines your use of it.


You have a remember, the group in power often gets to decide what is "wrong".  If you happen to agree with the current definition, life is great.  But we know what is "wrong" changes. 

You seem to have strong feelings about Elon Musk and Trump, now imagine them  deciding whether "you, yourself" are doing something wrong.  Do you still want to expand the powers?

And again if don't think governments have not abused an increase of surveillance powers, you are ignorant of the history.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

You seem not to be able to parse the difference between supporting government transparency and supporting citizen's right to some privacy. (The latter which forces a government to be more transparent because they are rightly forced through legal means, with a paper trail, to access your data.) 
(And governments have never abused their national security access before, right?)

If you want to argue you want to be more safe than free, that is a position you can take.
   
But to throw names about when you, yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved is...interesting. 

And you "yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved" in that the Govt wouldnt have carte blanche to see everyones data it would still require a warrant. 

The problem with the ADP tool is that it stops Apple and therefore anyone getting visibility of your data.

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem. Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

Fuck me Billy, could you possibly be any more retarded?

Well you seem to get by on a 2 digit IQ so yes I could be.

But I assume you think national security isnt a problem under the Musk government. Im sure his crack team of nerds that already have all of your personal details and tax data wont be misusing it. Remind me again what security clearance he had to authorise him to get access to all your data. 

Anyway I'm not planning anything illegal so what do I have to worry about. You seem to forget the US requesting Apple provide a backdoor to locked phones ''- but that doesnt fit your warped agenda either does it.

[Nutsin]

 

You seem not to be able to parse the difference between supporting government transparency and supporting citizen's right to some privacy. (The latter which forces a government to be more transparent because they are rightly forced through legal means, with a paper trail, to access your data.) 
(And governments have never abused their national security access before, right?)

If you want to argue you want to be more safe than free, that is a position you can take.
   
But to throw names about when you, yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved is...interesting. 

And you "yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved" in that the Govt wouldnt have carte blanche to see everyones data it would still require a warrant. 

The problem with the ADP tool is that it stops Apple and therefore anyone getting visibility of your data.

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem. Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

Fuck me Billy, could you possibly be any more retarded?

[BillyJenningsBoots]

The UK is just fine thanks. Anyway I thought the whole point of President Musks DOUCHE team was transparency? The backdoor to Apple's data is to ensure any threats to national  security are not hidden in the encrypted data its not to do with gaining access to the photos of our lunch! 
Moron!

You seem not to be able to parse the difference between supporting government transparency and supporting citizen's right to some privacy. (The latter which forces a government to be more transparent because they are rightly forced through legal means, with a paper trail, to access your data.) 
(And governments have never abused their national security access before, right?)

If you want to argue you want to be more safe than free, that is a position you can take.
   
But to throw names about when you, yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved is...interesting. 

 

And you "yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved" in that the Govt wouldnt have carte blanche to see everyones data it would still require a warrant. 

The problem with the ADP tool is that it stops Apple and therefore anyone getting visibility of your data.

If you are not doing anything wrong whats the problem. Id rather forego that right if it means criminal and terroist organisations cant hide behind it!

[ironsofcanada]

The UK is just fine thanks. Anyway I thought the whole point of President Musks DOUCHE team was transparency? The backdoor to Apple's data is to ensure any threats to national  security are not hidden in the encrypted data its not to do with gaining access to the photos of our lunch! 
Moron!

You seem not to be able to parse the difference between supporting government transparency and supporting citizen's right to some privacy. (The latter which forces a government to be more transparent because they are rightly forced through legal means, with a paper trail, to access your data.) 
(And governments have never abused their national security access before, right?)

If you want to argue you want to be more safe than free, that is a position you can take.
   
But to throw names about when you, yourself do not seem to understand the basic concepts involved is...interesting. 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Jaan,
Lets hope so.

I see Apple has ended its end to end encryption service after pressure from the UK Gov’t. So this only applies to the U K.

This allows a back door for the Gov’t to gain access to everyone’s phone.

All the data, Pics, everything!

Sounds like a big Nazi move to me. You better hope Trump puts Starmer in his place this upcoming week. 

What the fuck is going on over there? 


 

You focus on your own shit storm. Our PM might be useless but he doesnt pose a threat to Worldwide security or trade.

The UK is just fine thanks. Anyway I thought the whole point of President Musks DOUCHE team was transparency? The backdoor to Apple's data is to ensure any threats to national  security are not hidden in the encrypted data its not to do with gaining access to the photos of our lunch! But you carry on over dramatising everything to fit your pathetic anti-UK agenda.

Moron!

[BRANDED]

Jaan,
Lets hope so.

I see Apple has ended its end to end encryption service after pressure from the UK Gov’t. So this only applies to the U K.

This allows a back door for the Gov’t to gain access to everyone’s phone.

All the data, Pics, everything!

Sounds like a big Nazi move to me. You better hope Trump puts Starmer in his place this upcoming week. 

What the fuck is going on over there? 


 

Generally we dont have anything to hide from government. However, if a dodgy Commie government got in who jail people for posting memes, think men can be women or tax the cսnt out of you might want to move out of the UK. 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

THE  LABOUR PARTY DIED WITH JOHN SMITH

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

GERMANS   are now as bad as the SWEDES...
Germans are fucked with history ...they'll never be rid of it .
Swedes have always been mugs and ripe for the taking
 both are paying the price now
We're not far behind .

France?....fuck those cunts

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[Monsieur merde de cheval]

That GOVE wrongen sums up the state of our once great country.
A slippery shit who has no morals or loyalty...

And they are supposed to be on our side.

No no no...TRAITORS

Fuck off and die a slow death you cunts

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

I've noticed our  prestigeous BBC are  refusing to bring themselves to say PRESIDENT TRUMP...
small details matter

President  full mast/O'Bummer  and the stooge  never got this level of scrutiny or abuse.

It should be ENLIGHTENMENT for   the SHEEP...
.and says EVERYTHING 

 

[Nutsin]

Kash Patel just sworn in as head of the FBI.

Gonna be interesting what he unearths.

The JFK files and MLK and Epstein client list are about to be released by Bondi Attorney General.

Love all the transparency what a concept!

[ironsofcanada]

Thanks Ironsofcanada!

But let's be honest that's basically 40 minutes of Rubio doing damage control?  LOL 

I supported Trump in his stance on getting rid of all the woke nonsense, but some of his other stuff especially the last few days on Ukraine is pretty whacky and fucked up

Got 4 years of this circus...............

In some ways, for sure  on the damage control.

The part that was most interesting to me (other than the Canadian bits which is very niche, obviously) is why lots of the American side are frusterated with Zelenskyy. 

But yes Trump is saying stupid stuff about the situation. 

[Sydney_Iron]

Thanks Ironsofcanada!

But let's be honest that's basically 40 minutes of Rubio doing damage control?  LOL 

I supported Trump in his stance on getting rid of all the woke nonsense, but some of his other stuff especially the last few days on Ukraine is pretty whacky and fucked up

Got 4 years of this circus...............

[ironsofcanada]

If you are honestly interested in the States side of everything without the bluster and exaggerations of Trump himself, this is actually a very informative interview.



 

[Nutsin]

Jaan,
Lets hope so.

I see Apple has ended its end to end encryption service after pressure from the UK Gov’t. So this only applies to the U K.

This allows a back door for the Gov’t to gain access to everyone’s phone.

All the data, Pics, everything!

Sounds like a big Nazi move to me. You better hope Trump puts Starmer in his place this upcoming week. 

What the fuck is going on over there? 

 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Looks like US funding of Ukraine is finished, and a peace deal is almost agreed where by Russia gets the annexed land. Ukraine has to forget NATO but can join the EU. European nations offer security guarantees. The US  get 50% of Ukraine’s mineral  wealth. Zelensky steps down and they hold an election.

AFD’s alleged announcement of an EU referendum if they win their election, could completely destroy any  Ukraine positives. In fact Dexit could be the end of the EU altogether.


 

[Leavemyarcelona]

Putin apologists make me sick making excuses for his numerous crimes with conspiracy theory bollocks
Putin is clearly a war criminal,a despot on the same level as Hitler and Stalin 
Trump is a moron if he thinks Putin with stop at the Ukraine,he needs to rebuild his smashed up armed forces and will probably attack Ukraine again or Moldova,Georgia,Armenia in a few years time
No way will he take on NATO with or without USA

What makes them conspiracy theories? You left out Starmer, why? 

[Sydney_Iron]

The Trump gang and GOP at their yearly CPAC conference are as already planning to install Trump as President in 2028.Apparently, they are planning on pushing the 'Third term project' despite the limit of two terms in the Constitution –

No problems i say.

If the Orange man can run, then surely Obama could as well? The Dems may well clean up if that comes to pass????

[Nutsin]

I don’t think anybody wants to see an end to NATO but it’s survival as an effective fighting force requires all the members to step up and fund it. Something the other members have been reluctant to do for years.

All too easy to blame Trump for what the other ponce nations of NATO won’t do, which is pay a fair share.

According to Zelensky Ukraine did not receive a lot of the money sent by Biden’s administration, which im sure will expose even more corruption. Ukraine is a cesspit of Corruption. Zelensky’s days are numbered. 

As for Canada, Trudeau is a major cսnt! What he did to the Truck drivers in Canada was beyond cunty. He’s a far left loon that needs winding in and Mexico have proven themselves to be bad actors with how they completely failed the US with the US border and fentanyl crisis coming across the Southern US border. It’s about time they did what’s right. 

To be completely fair the biggest idiots of them all are the Gov’ts in Europe with the giant Beaurocracy which is the European Union, It is the EU that is the problem. One example is Charging the US Tarrifs while the US tax payers practically fund NATO. 

Change is long overdue. Let’s see what a NATO force ends up looking like now. The problem here is not Trump.
I’ve got a funny feeling that the EU Gov’ts stance on backing Ukraine no matter what will change when they have to start coughing up the extra money.

Pretty fucking easy to preach about Trump while hiding in the shadows of your responsibilities.

The War is over and You can expect to see an end of any further NATO expansion.

Its kind of a win you got Finland out of it.
 

[ironsofcanada]

The other political issue is what is happening in Gaza today. 

[Lee Trundle]

Trudeau has been an idiot in regards to him 

So have the majority of EU leaders.

They're all about to receive a big dosage of FAFO.