Potter Out

[THUNDERCLINT]

Had enough of this arogrant no mark now.  

11 games, 27% win ratio and 0.66 goals per game.

Either the break clause is true or this flake quits otherwise were proper fucked.

[Sir Alf]

The owner only appoints unemployed managers end of story. Sullivan does not value managers or head coaches very highly so will not pay to get them although has to pay a decent wage as he still wants one that has some ( usually 5 - 10 years ago ) reputation of success. Ideally at a "big club".  He probably has that 30 year old view that getting the right players is all that matters most and that "he" knows who to get and to be the architect of success.  30 years of football club ownership proves the complete opposite.  But being the narcissistic type he is, that awareness or admission would never enter his mind. He knows best and always will.

A "Hobsons Choice" in some senses. Sacking Potter now will likely mean another poor appointment. Moyes brief success ( 2-3 seasons ) was stumbled upon in reality. Brought in to ensure no further slip into relegation and do as told ( not sure Bilic would have been any worse ) but advent of COVID, right group of players to execute Moyesball successfully for 2 seasons leading to a cup in the 3rd season.   Chances of that happening again slim and tbh would not be sustained.

Potter is Brady's choice so Sullivan indulging her and waiting for it to completely unravel and return to him picking the next failure and fully resuming recruitment choices.

 

[Sydney_Iron]

Potter has been a disappointment of that there is no denying, mind you the whole season has been one of the worst I can remember, he did come in at a time with no much to play for, not like relegation was ever on the cards and Europe only a long shot and that quickly disappeared, personally think he needs more time and should be judged on how we start next season rather than what’s happening in this, he did try something different against Wolves at least, unfortunately just highlighting how much dead wood we have, seems another summer to try and rebuild and offload, sadly this seems to be a recurring theme.

All a bit meh and here we fucking go again though, almost soul destroying for us fans

[Manuel]

When you watch his pressers Potter really doesn't come over as a man of confidence and authority, or with any personality (given his position and hefty salary). He doesn't hold fort or take any control. You just see a meek, soulless man answering every question like an AI bot. Have to wonder what he's like in the dressing room and in training etc.  

[twoleftfeet]

Few Spurs fans be crying tonight, Ange out 

[RBshorty]

100.

Nice fishing Tex.!

[ATHammer]

Sadly, another in a now growing list of piss poor appointments by our appalling ownership. As with Moyes, Lopetegui, and, right from the start, Grant, Sullivan and Co. set their stool out to saddle us with the cheapest, lowest calibre managers that infest the earth.
As with the predecessors Potter is a symptom of a much deeper problem. Our club is a badly run shambles who cannot/will not learn. Potter's football at Brighton was nothing to write home about. He sat comfortably in a business like, process driven organisation, even then, the goal creation/scoring was abysmal.
Other managers in a similar appointment position to Potter, E.G. at Wolves, have taken what is available and stimulated a positive response with far lesser players than those available to Potter. This also happened at Palace last year. There are other examples. Performances under Potter, however, have gotten progressively worse and I no longer buy the "wait until he has his own players" crap. Paqueta; Kudus and Bowen have all largely been available to Potter. All would walk into any other Premier League team. But, just like Lopetegui, Potter has failed to get anywhere near the best out of them. If anything, Paqueta has been the most consistent; but Kudus looks hesitant and Bowen woefully short of confidence. 
I would happily part company with Potter as he looks clueless, he may have fixed the defence but gets nothing out of the flair players, some of whom we won't have next year, and the football is fucking awful.   
My concern is twofold. If we keep Potter I think we will be in a relegation fight next year. If we let Potter go, however, we simply cannot trust the board to come up with anything other than another cheap, prize wanker.

Moyes a poor appointment? I’ve heard some shit on here.

Potter will be good for us, stop wetting yourselves. 

Moyes had failed at Manchester, Sunderland and in Spain when we first appointed him. In replacing Billic he amassed about the same number of points as Slav. He was unemployed and cheap. When he replaced Pellegrini, his last job? West Ham, again unemployed and cheap. His best season was Covid disrupted so no one saw it live! He subsequently nearly got relegated with a midfield of Paqueta and Rice, The European success papering over the cracks of a poor performance in the league.
Lopetegui was unemployed and cheap.
Potter was unemployed and cheap.
None of those managers were renown for an attractive style of football.
Not knicker wetting at all, simply stating the facts. 
The board make poor, cheap appointments and eventually the luck will run out. Meanwhile we will watch shit football whilst always hoping for so much more. 

[Texas Iron]

We’d be better off with Lampard…

[twoleftfeet]

Sadly, another in a now growing list of piss poor appointments by our appalling ownership. As with Moyes, Lopetegui, and, right from the start, Grant, Sullivan and Co. set their stool out to saddle us with the cheapest, lowest calibre managers that infest the earth.
As with the predecessors Potter is a symptom of a much deeper problem. Our club is a badly run shambles who cannot/will not learn. Potter's football at Brighton was nothing to write home about. He sat comfortably in a business like, process driven organisation, even then, the goal creation/scoring was abysmal.
Other managers in a similar appointment position to Potter, E.G. at Wolves, have taken what is available and stimulated a positive response with far lesser players than those available to Potter. This also happened at Palace last year. There are other examples. Performances under Potter, however, have gotten progressively worse and I no longer buy the "wait until he has his own players" crap. Paqueta; Kudus and Bowen have all largely been available to Potter. All would walk into any other Premier League team. But, just like Lopetegui, Potter has failed to get anywhere near the best out of them. If anything, Paqueta has been the most consistent; but Kudus looks hesitant and Bowen woefully short of confidence. 
I would happily part company with Potter as he looks clueless, he may have fixed the defence but gets nothing out of the flair players, some of whom we won't have next year, and the football is fucking awful.   
My concern is twofold. If we keep Potter I think we will be in a relegation fight next year. If we let Potter go, however, we simply cannot trust the board to come up with anything other than another cheap, prize wanker.

Moyes a poor appointment? I’ve heard some shit on here.

Potter will be good for us, stop wetting yourselves. 

[Sir Alf]

Agree with Mike T "playing this style of football is suicidal if you don't get the first goal".   

Iraola's Bournemouth struggling recently ( same points as Potter since he started ) so obviously its a good time to play West Ham.  I am pessimistic ( as always admittedly ) that Potter, even with a transfer window and assuming he gets most of what he wants / needs in terms of players ( young, athletic etc in midfield, striker, wing back) , will turn the form around enough while also providing the "entertaining" football the owners are insisting on ( to ensure us fans stop grumbling but more importantly keep renewing season tickets and giving them revenue ).  

But, we sack him without giving him that transfer window? No not IMO.   "Give him the rope" possibly but also Sullivan will get the next unemployed chump and nothing much will change.   We probably should be like Watford, only chance of getting it right for a short while as in Moyes which he stumbled on as the right man at the right time before it predictably unravelled due to the farcical way the club is run by our owner and specifically how we recruit. No strategy, no long term plan, scatter gun.  

We had 3 seasons of relative success. Cannot see much changing and a uptick again until Sullivan dies and his family ownership majority is over.  Knowing our luck though someone worse will take ownership
 

[honky cat]

Usual soundbites from his presser today. Looks a bit tired and worried IMO.

Probably because he cant hear the fucking questions. 
Every single week
No microphones

[Texas Iron]

What a basket case his presser was…

Is he getting paid for his job ???

Stealing a living here…

[Manuel]

What the fuck is wrong with our fans.  Calling for Potters head at the moment is insanity.  The guy has barely got his coat off in real terms.  He has had zero budget to play with and inherited players he would in the main have never considered.  Shall all those kicker wetting armchair managers take a couple of months off and let the bloke at least have pre-season and a few games to work with a squad he is going to try and build.  Some of you on here are really starting to sound like fucking Spurs fans!

Tell me how we're supposed to move up the table next year if he has no interest in scoring goals? The evidence is there wherever he's been, defend at all costs and scoring goals is the least important thing. Didn't you listen to his bollocks when taking over, "I understand the West Ham way, that the fans want to watch decent football". Every game bar the first match, he's had five defenders and three (sometimes four) central midfielders. You may think that's acceptable, I think it's shit. And what's the stupid fucking reference to Spurs that all you halfwits make? I'm not an armchair manager, but playing this style of football is suicidal if you don't get the first goal

 

 

The Spurs fans reference is about as cringe as it gets, and I doubt most of the sheep who quote it have no idea what it even means? We're more tolerant and patient of non performing managers than Spurs fans, really, since when?? A lot of our fan based wanted John Lyall out, as the banners testified.

[ATHammer]

Sadly, another in a now growing list of piss poor appointments by our appalling ownership. As with Moyes, Lopetegui, and, right from the start, Grant, Sullivan and Co. set their stool out to saddle us with the cheapest, lowest calibre managers that infest the earth.
As with the predecessors Potter is a symptom of a much deeper problem. Our club is a badly run shambles who cannot/will not learn. Potter's football at Brighton was nothing to write home about. He sat comfortably in a business like, process driven organisation, even then, the goal creation/scoring was abysmal.
Other managers in a similar appointment position to Potter, E.G. at Wolves, have taken what is available and stimulated a positive response with far lesser players than those available to Potter. This also happened at Palace last year. There are other examples. Performances under Potter, however, have gotten progressively worse and I no longer buy the "wait until he has his own players" crap. Paqueta; Kudus and Bowen have all largely been available to Potter. All would walk into any other Premier League team. But, just like Lopetegui, Potter has failed to get anywhere near the best out of them. If anything, Paqueta has been the most consistent; but Kudus looks hesitant and Bowen woefully short of confidence. 
I would happily part company with Potter as he looks clueless, he may have fixed the defence but gets nothing out of the flair players, some of whom we won't have next year, and the football is fucking awful.   
My concern is twofold. If we keep Potter I think we will be in a relegation fight next year. If we let Potter go, however, we simply cannot trust the board to come up with anything other than another cheap, prize wanker.

[Takashi Miike]

What the fuck is wrong with our fans.  Calling for Potters head at the moment is insanity.  The guy has barely got his coat off in real terms.  He has had zero budget to play with and inherited players he would in the main have never considered.  Shall all those kicker wetting armchair managers take a couple of months off and let the bloke at least have pre-season and a few games to work with a squad he is going to try and build.  Some of you on here are really starting to sound like fucking Spurs fans!

Tell me how we're supposed to move up the table next year if he has no interest in scoring goals? The evidence is there wherever he's been, defend at all costs and scoring goals is the least important thing. Didn't you listen to his bollocks when taking over, "I understand the West Ham way, that the fans want to watch decent football". Every game bar the first match, he's had five defenders and three (sometimes four) central midfielders. You may think that's acceptable, I think it's shit. And what's the stupid fucking reference to Spurs that all you halfwits make? I'm not an armchair manager, but playing this style of football is suicidal if you don't get the first goal

[fraser]

So Todibo was unwell, at least that clears that up. 

[Manuel]

Usual soundbites from his presser today. Looks a bit tired and worried IMO.

[Dick Shaftsbury]

What the fuck is wrong with our fans.  Calling for Potters head at the moment is insanity.  

That's the modern-day football fan for you. Hysterical.

[fraser]

Ridiculous to want him sacked already.  My opinion is that Potter will get it right but it will take a bit of time.  

 

 

 

I don't want him sacked but I can see why others do... It's really not that outrageous 

He's played 8 defensive players to stop us leaking goals and when he hasn't we've been no better than before, I hope he succeeds but nothing I've seen is suggesting he will. 


 

[Maverick180180]

What the fuck is wrong with our fans.  Calling for Potters head at the moment is insanity.  The guy has barely got his coat off in real terms.  He has had zero budget to play with and inherited players he would in the main have never considered.  Shall all those kicker wetting armchair managers take a couple of months off and let the bloke at least have pre-season and a few games to work with a squad he is going to try and build.  Some of you on here are really starting to sound like fucking Spurs fans!

 

 

Funny you should say that cos I work with 5 spurs fans and every single one of them is currently loving the job that Potter is doing, they think it’s hilarious 

[Tomshardware]

Ridiculous to want him sacked already.  My opinion is that Potter will get it right but it will take a bit of time.  

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

If the only way you can fix the defense is by not attacking then you're not really fixing anything. Especially if you're still losing most games.

We've gone from averaging 12 shots per game under Moyes to 14 under Lopetegui down to only 9 under Potter. That's a huge drop off. 

[Alwaysaniron]

What the fuck is wrong with our fans.  Calling for Potters head at the moment is insanity.  The guy has barely got his coat off in real terms.  He has had zero budget to play with and inherited players he would in the main have never considered.  Shall all those kicker wetting armchair managers take a couple of months off and let the bloke at least have pre-season and a few games to work with a squad he is going to try and build.  Some of you on here are really starting to sound like fucking Spurs fans!

[Manuel]

As has been said before name a successful side that placed defending as more important than attacking? I think George Graham's Arsenal was the only side that come up.

We still concede one goal a game anyway, now my maths tell me you then need to score two goals to win games. Do we look like scoring two goals?? Final genius analysis is that we won't be winning many (games) based on the above.

 

I don’t think anyone is saying place defending as more important than attacking. It’s clearly just about a foundation. One we didn’t have based on the last 6 months of Moyes and Lope’s spell. If Potter was a manager who could fix every issue at West Ham in this short space of time, with the squad available to him, he wouldn’t be at West Ham. It’s one step at a time. 

How many successful teams has there been that don’t have a solid defence and foundation? Man Utd in 90’s always did. Arsenal have always had it when successful. Look how much Man City have spent on defenders, and how reliant they are on a boring defensive midfielder as shown since he’s been out.

Potter may not be the man to resolve all issues, but as he’s managed to vastly improve a catastrophic part of our play, I just think he should be afforded the opportunity to have a go!

Well I knew someone would pipe up and say that, the old fix the defense first cliche, yea right'o. Some would say that packing out a defense and playing plenty of DM's is easy, who can't do that. The worry of course is that he can't do both and there isn't much prove in his CV that he can.

Anyway, despite not being impressed I agree that he needs a fair crack at it and haven't ruled out him still doing well here. let's see how we look on Saturday against a wounded Cherries side.

[Ron Eff]

As has been said before name a successful side that placed defending as more important than attacking? I think George Graham's Arsenal was the only side that come up.

We still concede one goal a game anyway, now my maths tell me you then need to score two goals to win games. Do we look like scoring two goals?? Final genius analysis is that we won't be winning many (games) based on the above.

 

 

I don’t think anyone is saying place defending as more important than attacking. It’s clearly just about a foundation. One we didn’t have based on the last 6 months of Moyes and Lope’s spell. If Potter was a manager who could fix every issue at West Ham in this short space of time, with the squad available to him, he wouldn’t be at West Ham. It’s one step at a time. 

How many successful teams has there been that don’t have a solid defence and foundation? Man Utd in 90’s always did. Arsenal have always had it when successful. Look how much Man City have spent on defenders, and how reliant they are on a boring defensive midfielder as shown since he’s been out.

Potter may not be the man to resolve all issues, but as he’s managed to vastly improve a catastrophic part of our play, I just think he should be afforded the opportunity to have a go!

[Eerie Decent]

I get the feeling we have a real problem with Bowen, going forward.

He's been our best player for years, exceptional, absolutely superb. But he currently looks like a pub player. It's gives me comfort that the experts on here think that will completely change when we sign a couple of fast centre midfielders in the summer.

I'm not so confident. I think this manager, his favoured formation and his style of football, is kryptonite to our best player. Let's hope I'm wrong.