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[Come On You Irons]

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[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

'Ok good so you now admit that Trump caused the Correction and wiped out Trillions of dollars worth of investments'

Wiped out, you said, not wiped off.

The investments aren't 'wiped out', they are now worth about what they were a year ago. You could say that trillions were wiped off the value of the entire stock market, but that means nothing. Presumably the previous year's gain were, um, 'wiped on' 

[Nutsin]

Ok good so you now admit that Trump caused the Correction and wiped out Trillions of dollars worth of investments - for no good reason! But come on it was a massive surprise to the markets as to the ridiculous size and potential impacts to the US economy - otherwise if they knew what was coming those adjustments/corrections would already have been baked in - but they weren't - so yes it was a surprise! Except for you obviously cos you got your finger on it - plus Trumps cronies all made a killing too!

Ok, so you now know what a correction is. Glad I could educate you again.

I came on here and said when I made my investment changes, It’s on the thread, so yeah, I knew it was a buying opportunity, as did plenty of others which is why it has gone back up. When idiots like you were selling I was buying…. Thanks, I appreciate it!

Oh and there wi be more volatility and we will see more corrections, that’s how it works.

And as for “no good reason” I beg to differ, Supply chain issues cause inflation and national security issues have the USA reliant on China for pharmaceuticals, Rare earths and Steel. Two good reasons right there.

Then there’s the trade deficit and loss of US jobs. Two more good reasons.

Then there’s the threat of China becoming the dominant super power as well as all of the Intellectual property and technology they blatantly steal from the USA. More good reasons.

Im sure there are others too.

Again you are showing just what a fuckwit looks like!

Oh my god Nutsack .... so now you are saying that Trumps tarrifs were added to eliviate supply chain issues that cause inflation! You think whacking on a load of extra cost to US manufacturing is going to a) smooth the supply chain and b) make those goods cheaper! Tarrifs on their own do not solve trade deficits the size of the US - jeez what an idiot!

The US cant make those components cheaper than China adding tarrifs increases the cost whether you continue to import them or if/when you eventually can make them yourself.

Oh and pricing China and Ireland out of the US pharmaceutical market is really going to help how exactly? You think the US can manufacture your drug needs overnight?

I'll say again as you are such a simpleton we all know what a correction is and as I said I didnt sell I bought the dip. So yet again you are just so full of shit! Just like your mighty leader and his gang of cons and cronies. Good luck! your country is going to hell and you and your MAGA cretins are standing cheering watching them bleed it dry. Nice work!

Billy bought the dip lol!

I think people that read this thread will quite easily see that you had no idea what a correction is.
its in plain sight.

Im starting to feel sorry for you!

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Here you go silly nuts, here is an article from the Associated Press. Ask Goose about the Associated Press he uses them all the time. 

https://apnews.com/article/financial-ma ... 23df450b72#


Nobody is saying that the correction wasn’t caused by Tarrifs, )although Trump did forewarn everyone that he was gonna place reciprocal Tarrifs on April 2nd plenty of times in March, so it wasn’t a surprise.)

But what we had was a Correction. Now stop showing yourself up! 

Ok good so you now admit that Trump caused the Correction and wiped out Trillions of dollars worth of investments - for no good reason! But come on it was a massive surprise to the markets as to the ridiculous size and potential impacts to the US economy - otherwise if they knew what was coming those adjustments/corrections would already have been baked in - but they weren't - so yes it was a surprise! Except for you obviously cos you got your finger on it - plus Trumps cronies all made a killing too!

Ok, so you now know what a correction is. Glad I could educate you again.

I came on here and said when I made my investment changes, It’s on the thread, so yeah, I knew it was a buying opportunity, as did plenty of others which is why it has gone back up. When idiots like you were selling I was buying…. Thanks, I appreciate it!

Oh and there wi be more volatility and we will see more corrections, that’s how it works.

And as for “no good reason” I beg to differ, Supply chain issues cause inflation and national security issues have the USA reliant on China for pharmaceuticals, Rare earths and Steel. Two good reasons right there.

Then there’s the trade deficit and loss of US jobs. Two more good reasons.

Then there’s the threat of China becoming the dominant super power as well as all of the Intellectual property and technology they blatantly steal from the USA. More good reasons.

Im sure there are others too.

Again you are showing just what a fuckwit looks like!

Oh my god Nutsack .... so now you are saying that Trumps tarrifs were added to eliviate supply chain issues that cause inflation! You think whacking on a load of extra cost to US manufacturing is going to a) smooth the supply chain and b) make those goods cheaper! Tarrifs on their own do not solve trade deficits the size of the US - jeez what an idiot!

The US cant make those components cheaper than China adding tarrifs increases the cost whether you continue to import them or if/when you eventually can make them yourself.

Oh and pricing China and Ireland out of the US pharmaceutical market is really going to help how exactly? You think the US can manufacture your drug needs overnight?

I'll say again as you are such a simpleton we all know what a correction is and as I said I didnt sell I bought the dip. So yet again you are just so full of shit! Just like your mighty leader and his gang of cons and cronies. Good luck! your country is going to hell and you and your MAGA cretins are standing cheering watching them bleed it dry. Nice work!

[BillyJenningsBoots]

I'm actually somewhere in the middle of Goose and Nutsin on this one, however, the best thing on this thread so far has been BillyJenningsBoots idiotic explanation about how markets work.

'Trillions of dollars.. wiped out' is my favourite part.

What part wasnt true and how much was wiped off then?

Please share your greater knowledge oh wise one!

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

I'm actually somewhere in the middle of Goose and Nutsin on this one, however, the best thing on this thread so far has been BillyJenningsBoots idiotic explanation about how markets work.

'Trillions of dollars.. wiped out' is my favourite part.

[Nutsin]

 

At present, absolutely.

And for the significant future.

Many of the goods hit with tariffs—like semiconductors, certain electronics, and low-cost manufactured goods (e.g., clothing, household items, etc.)—are made overseas because the U.S. simply doesn’t have the domestic infrastructure or cost efficiency to produce them at scale anymore.

Still lapping up all that left wing propaganda I see Goose. Some people never learn. What you gonna say when the rust belt becomes the gold belt?

Still avoiding the actual facts?

Yeah, be sure to let me know ow when the sky falls in!

[goose]

Are you saying the US can’t build the infrastructure and or get these products and raw materials from other countries?

 

At present, absolutely.

And for the significant future.

Many of the goods hit with tariffs—like semiconductors, certain electronics, and low-cost manufactured goods (e.g., clothing, household items, etc.)—are made overseas because the U.S. simply doesn’t have the domestic infrastructure or cost efficiency to produce them at scale anymore.

Still lapping up all that left wing propaganda I see Goose. Some people never learn. What you gonna say when the rust belt becomes the gold belt?

Still avoiding the actual facts?

[Nutsin]

It was a question not a statement, hence the question mark.

Do you think the US has the infrastructure, labour, supply chains to onshore all these products & raw materials?
(I’ll give you a clue, the answer is ‘no’).

Are you saying the US can’t build the infrastructure and or get these products and raw materials from other countries?

 

At present, absolutely.

And for the significant future.

Many of the goods hit with tariffs—like semiconductors, certain electronics, and low-cost manufactured goods (e.g., clothing, household items, etc.)—are made overseas because the U.S. simply doesn’t have the domestic infrastructure or cost efficiency to produce them at scale anymore.

Still lapping up all that left wing propaganda I see Goose. Some people never learn. What you gonna say when the rust belt becomes the gold belt?

[Cabbige Savage]

Tesla Bot will relplayce the chinaman

+ it not spit, eat dog and smoke all the time

[BRANDED]

They certainly dont have the cheap wages. I see around 70 countries want a deal and many offering zero tariffs. 

[goose]

Are you speaking for the whole of the USA now Goose?

And do you think this is all about Nike ffs?

Fucking hell!

It was a question not a statement, hence the question mark.

Do you think the US has the infrastructure, labour, supply chains to onshore all these products & raw materials?
(I’ll give you a clue, the answer is ‘no’).

Are you saying the US can’t build the infrastructure and or get these products and raw materials from other countries?

 

 

At present, absolutely.

And for the significant future.

Many of the goods hit with tariffs—like semiconductors, certain electronics, and low-cost manufactured goods (e.g., clothing, household items, etc.)—are made overseas because the U.S. simply doesn’t have the domestic infrastructure or cost efficiency to produce them at scale anymore.

[Nutsin]

You think Americans want to work in a Nike factory?

Are you speaking for the whole of the USA now Goose?

And do you think this is all about Nike ffs?

Fucking hell!

It was a question not a statement, hence the question mark.

Do you think the US has the infrastructure, labour, supply chains to onshore all these products & raw materials?
(I’ll give you a clue, the answer is ‘no’).

Are you saying the US can’t build the infrastructure and or get these products and raw materials from other countries?

[goose]

Fuck me quoting David Chapelle lol!

That just about sums you up! 

Fucking Goose and Billy or should I say Dumb and Dumber!

You think Americans want to work in a Nike factory?

Are you speaking for the whole of the USA now Goose?

And do you think this is all about Nike ffs?

Fucking hell!

It was a question not a statement, hence the question mark.

Do you think the US has the infrastructure, labour, supply chains to onshore all these products & raw materials?
(I’ll give you a clue, the answer is ‘no’).

[Nutsin]

Oh so inspite of the worlds finance experts saying its a massive crash self inflicted by Trump you and your MAGA/Fox buddies say its just a natural correction, which does happen from time to time.

So it was a coincidence then that Trump happened to announce the Tarrifs and the markets fell like a stone the biggest "correction" since Covid and then after delaying for 90 days they spiked back up. COINCIDENCE!!!!!

Now do you see why I am not convinced you know anything about markets. Wow thats a good one Nutsack you must be incredibly thick or on a wind up!! Or both. Probably the latter!

Here you go silly nuts, here is an article from the Associated Press. Ask Goose about the Associated Press he uses them all the time. 

https://apnews.com/article/financial-ma ... 23df450b72#


Nobody is saying that the correction wasn’t caused by Tarrifs, )although Trump did forewarn everyone that he was gonna place reciprocal Tarrifs on April 2nd plenty of times in March, so it wasn’t a surprise.)

But what we had was a Correction. Now stop showing yourself up! 

Ok good so you now admit that Trump caused the Correction and wiped out Trillions of dollars worth of investments - for no good reason! But come on it was a massive surprise to the markets as to the ridiculous size and potential impacts to the US economy - otherwise if they knew what was coming those adjustments/corrections would already have been baked in - but they weren't - so yes it was a surprise! Except for you obviously cos you got your finger on it - plus Trumps cronies all made a killing too!

Ok, so you now know what a correction is. Glad I could educate you again.

I came on here and said when I made my investment changes, It’s on the thread, so yeah, I knew it was a buying opportunity, as did plenty of others which is why it has gone back up. When idiots like you were selling I was buying…. Thanks, I appreciate it!

Oh and there wi be more volatility and we will see more corrections, that’s how it works.

And as for “no good reason” I beg to differ, Supply chain issues cause inflation and national security issues have the USA reliant on China for pharmaceuticals, Rare earths and Steel. Two good reasons right there.

Then there’s the trade deficit and loss of US jobs. Two more good reasons.

Then there’s the threat of China becoming the dominant super power as well as all of the Intellectual property and technology they blatantly steal from the USA. More good reasons.

Im sure there are others too.

Again you are showing just what a fuckwit looks like!

[Nutsin]

what's hilarious is that we have spent weeks talking about the markets reaction to Trump's crazy idea, and not the crazy idea itself.

we haven't even spoken about the actual thinking behind his decision. the assumption that somehow in the near future America is going to 100% produce cars, mobile phones, semi-conductors & chips, toys & games, Nikes etc etc.

it would take years and billions of dollars, and would end up with a great deal of retail price inflation.

as Dave Chappelle said - americans wanna wear Nikes, not make them!

Fuck me quoting David Chapelle lol!

That just about sums you up! 

Fucking Goose and Billy or should I say Dumb and Dumber!

You think Americans want to work in a Nike factory?

Are you speaking for the whole of the USA now Goose?

And do you think this is all about Nike ffs?

Fucking hell!

[BillyJenningsBoots]

what's hilarious is that we have spent weeks talking about the markets reaction to Trump's crazy idea, and not the crazy idea itself.

we haven't even spoken about the actual thinking behind his decision. the assumption that somehow in the near future America is going to 100% produce cars, mobile phones, semi-conductors & chips, toys & games, Nikes etc etc.

it would take years and billions of dollars, and would end up with a great deal of retail price inflation.

as Dave Chappelle said - americans wanna wear Nikes, not make them!

Fuck me quoting David Chapelle lol!

That just about sums you up! 

Fucking Goose and Billy or should I say Dumb and Dumber!

But you Nutsack will always be the dumbest!

[goose]

what's hilarious is that we have spent weeks talking about the markets reaction to Trump's crazy idea, and not the crazy idea itself.

we haven't even spoken about the actual thinking behind his decision. the assumption that somehow in the near future America is going to 100% produce cars, mobile phones, semi-conductors & chips, toys & games, Nikes etc etc.

it would take years and billions of dollars, and would end up with a great deal of retail price inflation.

as Dave Chappelle said - americans wanna wear Nikes, not make them!

Fuck me quoting David Chapelle lol!

That just about sums you up! 

Fucking Goose and Billy or should I say Dumb and Dumber!

You think Americans want to work in a Nike factory?

[BillyJenningsBoots]

The drop in market value happens, it’s not the first time, every so often the dog has to shake off its fleas, stock market does it to shake out the weak hands, the retail investors. 
A lot of people have been piling in on tech stocks because of AI, many on leverage, so margin calls and stop losses were triggered, a dip in gold prices shows people had to sell gold to cover the margin calls.

The days of long and strong have come to an end for the time being. 

Once we have a new global market place everyone will pile in again on leverage until the next shake out. 

It certainly wasn’t anywhere near the collapse you are making it out to be. 

Oh so inspite of the worlds finance experts saying its a massive crash self inflicted by Trump you and your MAGA/Fox buddies say its just a natural correction, which does happen from time to time.

So it was a coincidence then that Trump happened to announce the Tarrifs and the markets fell like a stone the biggest "correction" since Covid and then after delaying for 90 days they spiked back up. COINCIDENCE!!!!!

Now do you see why I am not convinced you know anything about markets. Wow thats a good one Nutsack you must be incredibly thick or on a wind up!! Or both. Probably the latter!

Here you go silly nuts, here is an article from the Associated Press. Ask Goose about the Associated Press he uses them all the time. 

https://apnews.com/article/financial-ma ... 23df450b72#


Nobody is saying that the correction wasn’t caused by Tarrifs, )although Trump did forewarn everyone that he was gonna place reciprocal Tarrifs on April 2nd plenty of times in March, so it wasn’t a surprise.)

But what we had was a Correction. Now stop showing yourself up! 

Ok good so you now admit that Trump caused the Correction and wiped out Trillions of dollars worth of investments - for no good reason! But come on it was a massive surprise to the markets as to the ridiculous size and potential impacts to the US economy - otherwise if they knew what was coming those adjustments/corrections would already have been baked in - but they weren't - so yes it was a surprise! Except for you obviously cos you got your finger on it - plus Trumps cronies all made a killing too!

[Nutsin]

what's hilarious is that we have spent weeks talking about the markets reaction to Trump's crazy idea, and not the crazy idea itself.

we haven't even spoken about the actual thinking behind his decision. the assumption that somehow in the near future America is going to 100% produce cars, mobile phones, semi-conductors & chips, toys & games, Nikes etc etc.

it would take years and billions of dollars, and would end up with a great deal of retail price inflation.

as Dave Chappelle said - americans wanna wear Nikes, not make them!

Fuck me quoting David Chapelle lol!

That just about sums you up! 

Fucking Goose and Billy or should I say Dumb and Dumber!

[Nutsin]

 

You see Nutsack its this lack of any understanding of the markets reaction that leads me to think you have no understanding of the markets so you cant be a trader.

Btw the rest of the world will stop doing business with the US if Trump continues to piss his allies off!

Oh dear just read that bit about the "negotiations going on right now".....You believe that 75 countries are kissing the Trumpsters ass to get a deal!!!! You are more deluded than Trump!

The drop in market value happens, it’s not the first time, every so often the dog has to shake off its fleas, stock market does it to shake out the weak hands, the retail investors. 
A lot of people have been piling in on tech stocks because of AI, many on leverage, so margin calls and stop losses were triggered, a dip in gold prices shows people had to sell gold to cover the margin calls.

The days of long and strong have come to an end for the time being. 

Once we have a new global market place everyone will pile in again on leverage until the next shake out. 

It certainly wasn’t anywhere near the collapse you are making it out to be. 

Oh so inspite of the worlds finance experts saying its a massive crash self inflicted by Trump you and your MAGA/Fox buddies say its just a natural correction, which does happen from time to time.

So it was a coincidence then that Trump happened to announce the Tarrifs and the markets fell like a stone the biggest "correction" since Covid and then after delaying for 90 days they spiked back up. COINCIDENCE!!!!!

Now do you see why I am not convinced you know anything about markets. Wow thats a good one Nutsack you must be incredibly thick or on a wind up!! Or both. Probably the latter!

Here you go silly nuts, here is an article from the Associated Press. Ask Goose about the Associated Press he uses them all the time. 

https://apnews.com/article/financial-ma ... 23df450b72#


Nobody is saying that the correction wasn’t caused by Tarrifs, )although Trump did forewarn everyone that he was gonna place reciprocal Tarrifs on April 2nd plenty of times in March, so it wasn’t a surprise.)

But what we had was a Correction. Now stop showing yourself up! 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

what's hilarious is that we have spent weeks talking about the markets reaction to Trump's crazy idea, and not the crazy idea itself.

we haven't even spoken about the actual thinking behind his decision. the assumption that somehow in the near future America is going to 100% produce cars, mobile phones, semi-conductors & chips, toys & games, Nikes etc etc.

it would take years and billions of dollars, and would end up with a great deal of retail price inflation.

as Dave Chappelle said - americans wanna wear Nikes, not make them!

Goose you are crediting Dippy Donald with some form of thinking or strategy. He seems to flip flop between tarrifs pros and cons. First they will increase tax revenue so he can give his billionaire cronies futher tax cuts. Then to it'll make manufactureres move their factories to the US which would in turn reduce tarrif tax revenue. To all the world bowing to his deal which would reduce world wide trade barriers and tarrifs, again reducing tax revenue but would also result in manufacturers not needing to move factories to the US as no tarrifs to pay.

He seems to also think that these deals and reduced tarrifs will somehow result in balanced trade deficits. Without actually understanding why those deficits exist. Like because Vietnam dont buy American cars because they cant afford them yet US want cheap cars from Vietnam. So what US goods will they buy to bridge the gap!

Just not thought through and grossly unfair!

[goose]

what's hilarious is that we have spent weeks talking about the markets reaction to Trump's crazy idea, and not the crazy idea itself.

we haven't even spoken about the actual thinking behind his decision. the assumption that somehow in the near future America is going to 100% produce cars, mobile phones, semi-conductors & chips, toys & games, Nikes etc etc.

it would take years and billions of dollars, and would end up with a great deal of retail price inflation.

as Dave Chappelle said - americans wanna wear Nikes, not make them!

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Markets are reacting to uncertainty and sentiment, due to all the scaremongering from political propagandists and globalists. You can include bankers and Hedge funds in the globalist category.

The markets aren’t always right by the way. Trump has given us the initial shock and awe, now you gotta respect the process and watch what happens. Negotiations are going on right now with plenty of countries willing to negotiate. Let’s see what happens when they fall in line. Remember the USA’s military protects most of the countries from China, who do you think they’re gonna side with ffs.

China is way down the pecking order and will start to feel the pain as time goes on. Meanwhile US will be opening up new markets with the rest of the world.

 

You see Nutsack its this lack of any understanding of the markets reaction that leads me to think you have no understanding of the markets so you cant be a trader.

Btw the rest of the world will stop doing business with the US if Trump continues to piss his allies off!

Oh dear just read that bit about the "negotiations going on right now".....You believe that 75 countries are kissing the Trumpsters ass to get a deal!!!! You are more deluded than Trump!

The drop in market value happens, it’s not the first time, every so often the dog has to shake off its fleas, stock market does it to shake out the weak hands, the retail investors. 
A lot of people have been piling in on tech stocks because of AI, many on leverage, so margin calls and stop losses were triggered, a dip in gold prices shows people had to sell gold to cover the margin calls.

The days of long and strong have come to an end for the time being. 

Once we have a new global market place everyone will pile in again on leverage until the next shake out. 

It certainly wasn’t anywhere near the collapse you are making it out to be. 

Oh so inspite of the worlds finance experts saying its a massive crash self inflicted by Trump you and your MAGA/Fox buddies say its just a natural correction, which does happen from time to time.

So it was a coincidence then that Trump happened to announce the Tarrifs and the markets fell like a stone the biggest "correction" since Covid and then after delaying for 90 days they spiked back up. COINCIDENCE!!!!!

Now do you see why I am not convinced you know anything about markets. Wow thats a good one Nutsack you must be incredibly thick or on a wind up!! Or both. Probably the latter!

[Sydney_Iron]

if not then I'm sure the platinum bullion dealer can make a small donation to keep us ticking over

Platinums the pig of the complex, It’s not even the highest priced PGM.

If you must know, I trade more silver than anything. Much more volatility which is exactly what you want when you trade. Gold is more of a buy and hold.


Let me know if I can help you out some more. You’re obviously clueless.

You must have deep pockets to trade Silver, assume its futures? that was always a big arse contract to trade on the CME and at today's prices even bigger! mind you they have a mini and micro now, expect liquidity in those smaller contracts is ok now?  Gold is/was a cսnt to trade so in the main i avoided it, as like the Emini S&P and Nasdaq, every day trader and his/her dog was trying to make money in these markets in particular, making it a bit of a shark tank, slippage could be brutal a times in gold as they pour in or out, trend following it was ok but meant hanging around tying up money for months at times, and then could easily fall in a heap/go to the moon on news like NFP etc, for the most part i was always square at the end of the day, so indexes in my time zone were more my thing.


Your right about volatility though, the Hang Seng and SGX Nikkei where my favorites, but fuck me you needed to change the trousers on a regular basis sadly after the floor closed the markets after a few years had got way too efficient as computers took over from human emotions and those huge mispricing you could jump on started drying up, today they have all but gone

[Nutsin]

if not then I'm sure the platinum bullion dealer can make a small donation to keep us ticking over

Platinums the pig of the complex, It’s not even the highest priced PGM.

If you must know, I trade more silver than anything. Much more volatility which is exactly what you want when you trade. Gold is more of a buy and hold.


Let me know if I can help you out some more. You’re obviously clueless.