Happy St George’s day

[stewey]

Don’t be embarrassed by it 
be proud of your history.

[Leavemyarcelona]

How ironic your celebrating what would be an illegal immigrant today , how woke. 

 

 

In 1071 the Seljuk Turks defeated the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert & slowly it became a Muslim country, by conquest, conversion, & migration.

 

 

Reminds me of another Country. If he was alive today he'd definitely be opening up his very own moody Barbers called Slayers.

He would've of set fire to a wheelie bin last summer aswell

[Mike Oxsaw]

I'm not really surprised that the "coming together" under the umbrella of Christianity in the West is happening, following the generational fractures & fissures in (Western) society. If they could only get rid of the religion, it might work properly this time around.

Doesn't quite work like that. Religion is a latin word that means 'to bind'. With that in mind I have always found it quite jarring when people use the qualifier 'organised' before religion. I am not quite sure how people think you can have disorganised binding of people. I suspect what people mean when they use 'organised religion' disparagingly is they are trying to distinguish between those that believe and those that adhere to a creed. But the former without the latter are not religious.

But back to your point, I don't think we have any examples of a society successfully binding itself together without any profound shared beliefs underpinning it. The west has just come through the post-war period where the culture has tried to purge itself of Christian ideals. I think generation X are too emotionally invested in anti-religious sentiment to seriously reevaluate what was lost to the point of returning to the fold, but the younger generation seem to feel a bit short changed with what they inherited from us.

You need to go back further, my friend.

Every single person on the planet shares pre-linguistic memories from their very first days breathing in the air.

No religion involved, but the actions of a being, often with a halo of light around it - descending from above, summoned only by a cry, and solving, as if it can see into your very soul, your problems is a very strong, persistent and common memory.

Hardly surprising that when people discuss these individual memories they assign some sort of commonality to them (that eventually becomes (a) religion). Don't forget - you have no vocabulary (yet) that you can refer to and label the memory of your problems being solved, but it's still there.

It's not religious - it's parents - all/any parents -  being driven by their (common) genetics to ensure that their offspring have the best chance of survival.

[wils]

I'm not really surprised that the "coming together" under the umbrella of Christianity in the West is happening, following the generational fractures & fissures in (Western) society. If they could only get rid of the religion, it might work properly this time around.

Doesn't quite work like that. Religion is a latin word that means 'to bind'. With that in mind I have always found it quite jarring when people use the qualifier 'organised' before religion. I am not quite sure how people think you can have disorganised binding of people. I suspect what people mean when they use 'organised religion' disparagingly is they are trying to distinguish between those that believe and those that adhere to a creed. But the former without the latter are not religious.

But back to your point, I don't think we have any examples of a society successfully binding itself together without any profound shared beliefs underpinning it. The west has just come through the post-war period where the culture has tried to purge itself of Christian ideals. I think generation X are too emotionally invested in anti-religious sentiment to seriously reevaluate what was lost to the point of returning to the fold, but the younger generation seem to feel a bit short changed with what they inherited from us.

[Mike Oxsaw]

If only humans could somehow forget all religeons the workd would be a much better place.
Sadle we, as a species, appered to be hard wired to believe any old nonsense when it comes to imaginary friends.

Over the last few decades on the West, religion has been in retreat both in people's private lives and in our culture. I've seen the much worse nonsense that slithered in to fill the void. There is not one atom in my body that is capable of religious faith, but religion - by which I mean various flavours of Christianity - clearly fulfilled some vital function that kept us relatively sane. Bring it back, I say. Could do with some peace and quiet.

"When a man stops believing in God, he doesn't believe in nothing; he believes in anything" - GK Chesterton.

Although your wishes, Nurse, are beginning to be answered. Much of the West is seeing an increase in Christian observance. Including here but especially in France of all places. Anyone who went to a church over Easter has been taken aback by how packed they all were. Whether it's a reaction to immigration and a threat to identity or a genuine turn to God, who knows? I would say a bit of both probably.

 

 

Don't forget that traditional families ar more fractured these days. My parents were among the first generation that moved away from their place of birth to seek fortune and a better life - their parents basically never left their village of birth (mainly due to a lack of viable transportation options at that time).

This meant that, for the families of my grandparent's generation, there was effectively a closed support group - everybody in the village/area knew - and knew of - you and you'd see regular faces week-in, week-out.

Many of those "face-owners" you could turn to for advice (or at least observe how they went about solving problems of the day); you were part of a supportive community, whether you liked it or not.

Those of my daughter's generation (born in the '80s & later) nowadays only have the internet to turn to for (instant) advice and most of their role models are "celebrities" as opposed to uncles, aunts and elder siblings.

I'm not really surprised that the "coming together" under the umbrella of Christianity in the West is happening, following the generational fractures & fissures in (Western) society. If they could only get rid of the religion, it might work properly this time around.

[Fauxstralian]

A reaction to immigration?
Does that mean all these extra churchgoers are attending to support the teachings of Jesus Christ in showing empathy for immigrants & outsiders? 
Or are they hypocritical cunts

[goose]

Our Church was packed over Easter.

[wils]

If only humans could somehow forget all religeons the workd would be a much better place.
Sadle we, as a species, appered to be hard wired to believe any old nonsense when it comes to imaginary friends.

Over the last few decades on the West, religion has been in retreat both in people's private lives and in our culture. I've seen the much worse nonsense that slithered in to fill the void. There is not one atom in my body that is capable of religious faith, but religion - by which I mean various flavours of Christianity - clearly fulfilled some vital function that kept us relatively sane. Bring it back, I say. Could do with some peace and quiet.

"When a man stops believing in God, he doesn't believe in nothing; he believes in anything" - GK Chesterton.

Although your wishes, Nurse, are beginning to be answered. Much of the West is seeing an increase in Christian observance. Including here but especially in France of all places. Anyone who went to a church over Easter has been taken aback by how packed they all were. Whether it's a reaction to immigration and a threat to identity or a genuine turn to God, who knows? I would say a bit of both probably.

[Massive Attack]

If I want to celebrate St George’s Day I will, and no woke lefty liberal is going to stop me even if it does upset Moslems

How ironic your celebrating what would be an illegal immigrant today , how woke. 

 

 

In 1071 the Seljuk Turks defeated the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert & slowly it became a Muslim country, by conquest, conversion, & migration.

 

 

Reminds me of another Country. If he was alive today he'd definitely be opening up his very own moody Barbers called Slayers.

[Leavemyarcelona]

If I want to celebrate St George’s Day I will, and no woke lefty liberal is going to stop me even if it does upset Moslems

How ironic your celebrating what would be an illegal immigrant today , how woke. 

Born in Lod, Israel a town between Tel Aviv & Jerusalem, & was a Roman soldier born around 280 AD. He was executed for his faith on 23 April 303.

 

The woke will tell you he is Turkish. His ethnicity was Cappadocian Greek. What is now Turkey was called Anatolia & 100% Christian. 

 

In 1071 the Seljuk Turks defeated the Byzantines at the Battle of Manzikert & slowly it became a Muslim country, by conquest, conversion, & migration.

 

The persecution of Christians ended with the genocide of the Armenians in 1922.

[Fauxstralian]

Anyone who believes in ANY God is a gold plated imbecile
I see the head of the biggest paedophile ring in the world died this week & everyone wanking over what a great guy he was
Any God shaped hole is likely to be filled by some paedo priest who has been shielded for decades

Happy St George’s Day by the way
Ludicrous that it’s not a public holiday in England  

[Swiss.]

Our patron saint is Greco-Roman Byzantine, the German's is English and the Irish';s is Welsh. Funnyn that

[only1billybonds]

Forget who said it recently but  the demise of Christianity has left a God shaped hole in society that is being filled by the woke/climate nonsense.
I think there's something in that. 

[WHU(Exeter)]

Spot on Nurse.

People may find it strange that others still believe in God, religion etc etc.

Meanwhile the increasing void, has been filled with debates about who should be using which toilets. Viva the fucking progress.

The real issue with toilets meanwhile, would be the taking away of most of those public facilities in city centres, leaving a lot of elderly people less inclined to go into the centres of cities, that they’ve lived in and contributed all their lives.

Still, let’s fill the radio airwaves with the hissy fits of 0.5 % of the population, who feel ‘threatened’ 

 

[Sydney_Iron]

Was watching some stuff on GB news and they had the panel thing about St Georges day and of course some lefty cսnt saying how it was nothing to be proud about, colonialism was bad etc, St Georges day is all about far-right nonsense!

I know it's all just click bait to get people watching (revenue) and all hot and bothered, surely they know the Lefty will do this when they invite them on, but time and again i think why get these people on the show first place? I'm sure it's a minority that think this way, fuck off i say, just ignore these cunts rather than give them a platform.

 

[Nutsin]

Oh that’s right they removed the Red Cross.

[Nutsin]

Does the United Kingdom of Islam still allow you to wave the English flag? 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Mike, the region that Beethoven grew up in, willingly became part of the unified German state.

German is of Germanic language.

St George on the other hand, lived in an area of land that was conquered by completely foreign people who spoke a different language completely.

There is more than a slight difference and you're right, no need for VAR

If there is you better get onto the Greek Orthodox church. They'd hate to find out after all these years of veneration that he was actually a Turk all along.

 

 

Ex, none of that is relevant. You can't be a national of a state that doesn't exist. Beethoven was Germanic, indeed. Of Germanic descent, certainly, but he wasn't a German national.

How many Czechoslovakians were born before 1918 or after 1992?

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Other than rage-baiters on Twitter parroting the same nonsense, has anyone ever met a Muslim who was upset by the St. George's Cross?

 Theyre far  to cute for that ....just like when they shut up shop when their brothers kill and maim English people in OUR own land...
THEY REJOICE IN IT 
go fly a English flag outside one of their MANY  mission controls sunshine.....see what happens

[WHU(Exeter)]

Mike, the region that Beethoven grew up in, willingly became part of the unified German state.

German is of Germanic language.

St George on the other hand, lived in an area of land that was conquered by completely foreign people who spoke a different language completely.

There is more than a slight difference and you're right, no need for VAR

If there is you better get onto the Greek Orthodox church. They'd hate to find out after all these years of veneration that he was actually a Turk all along.

[zebthecat]

I was brought up C of E but still roughly follow the New Testament teachings despite deciding not to be confirmed.
Years ago i had a project manager who was a lay preacher in a non-conformist Christian sect and we agreed on pretty much everything in regards to how to live your life and treat others except believing in the existence of God.
 

[riosleftsock]

Christianity is actually on the rise in the west, especially among the younger generations.  Even things like the Latin Mass are seeing increased demand among congregations.

[Nurse Ratched]

If only humans could somehow forget all religeons the workd would be a much better place.
Sadle we, as a species, appered to be hard wired to believe any old nonsense when it comes to imaginary friends.

Over the last few decades on the West, religion has been in retreat both in people's private lives and in our culture. I've seen the much worse nonsense that slithered in to fill the void. There is not one atom in my body that is capable of religious faith, but religion - by which I mean various flavours of Christianity - clearly fulfilled some vital function that kept us relatively sane. Bring it back, I say. Could do with some peace and quiet.

[zebthecat]

If only humans could somehow forget all religeons the workd would be a much better place.
Sadle we, as a species, appered to be hard wired to believe any old nonsense when it comes to imaginary friends.

[riosleftsock]

Deus Vult!

[Iron Duke]

Other than rage-baiters on Twitter parroting the same nonsense, has anyone ever met a Muslim who was upset by the St. George's Cross?

The same ones upset by Christmas and wearing poppies.