Max Kilman

[Eerie Decent]

This lad is a real problem.

At £40mil, it's getting to the point of worst ever signing territory. The worst crime in football is hiding, centre back is probably the one position you can half get away with it, but not for too long. Shirks taking responsibility, who imo makes him worse than Mavropanos, at least he fronts up, which can lead to mistakes. Kilman doesn't, so it doesn't get highlighted.

We've obviously got a massive overhaul in the summer, but for me, he is the biggest problem in our team and we need to cut our losses if we can. It took a while to spot, because he hides, but you can't fool people for too long. Wolves fans told us, some wouldn't have it, but they were dead right. Absolute fraud of a player.

[Eerie Decent]

I wouldn't class him as a success either, no. But you can see when he does play well, he's levels above Kilman. That's why Barcelona signed him, and why Juventus wanted to sign him.

One thing I'll give Kilman, he's certainly available for selection every week. Probably because he avoids any tough situations on the pitch.

[Massive Attack]

So Todibo is also dogshit then at his valuation? Both have not performed well this season in equally piss poor showings. No one is defending how shit they've been at the heart of our defence.

 

[Eerie Decent]

That sounds like a load of excuse making bollocks, Attack son.

There's been a consistent mainstay at the back for us. Kilman. As for not making rash decisions, as I said, he barely makes any decisions. That's the fucking problem.

[Massive Attack]

What's his best though? Wolves fans told us exactly what we were getting, and they were 100% right.

 

 

Bringing the ball out of defence in to midfield confidently starting off some attacks, winning most of his duels in the air, not making rash decisions.

One of the problems is his CH partner has regularly changed and he's not had a settled pairing. It was further complicated when Potter came in and preferring to play with 3 centre halves which also were never settled so the continuity as a Team was all over the gaff. The same thing can also be said of our new £36M officially signed Todibo who's also shown flashes of quality but nowhere near his valuation and true ability at his best. 

[Maverick180180]

 
someones in a mood cos their team just took a 5-1 hiding 

[twoleftfeet]

I told you etc etc etc etc

Pathetic.

If any of you knew about football you wouldn’t be on here you’d be managing somewhere. 

[Eerie Decent]

What's his best though? Wolves fans told us exactly what we were getting, and they were 100% right.

[Eerie Decent]

Is it the way he plays that you think makes him the biggest problem because there is a lot worse or the £40m because it’s not his fault what we paid for him.

Either way there is a lot worse problems.

 

 

That's the issue here, people are giving him a pass BECAUSE he cost £40mil. He hides, hence why people who don't really know their football ignore him, hence the less mistakes are seemed to be made.

I've already said it, those who know their football, know he's the biggest problem. The worst crime in football is hiding, give me Mavropanos any day of the week over this coward, someone who will front up and and be prepared to make mistakes through bravery, not leave a 19 year old on his own to mark Mo Salah, when it's on his side. He's a ghost when it matters most.

As Manuel said, not some you want next to you in the trenches.

[Massive Attack]

Been very disappointing and not proved his worth this season. I do think there's room to improve though as this isn't him at his best. There has been glimpses of quality but needs to find consistency.

[Sir Alf]

Yeah he would make a decent squad back up. 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Said this bloke would be a horrendous signing before he joined, along with the terrible appointment of Lopetegui, it’s going to be one of the most costly errors in our clubs history.

We can’t pay him off and I can’t think of a club that would ever consider taking him. So he’ll be our CB for years to come. Hopefully we have enough money to allow him to be 4th choice and rarely play, as if he continues to be 1st choice we are going to be continually fighting for 17th place.

[Sir Alf]

Priorities imo although pissibly in line with a lot if others since its bleedin obvious :
whole central midfield
Another young, quick, strong striker
A better CB than Kilman and Mav
Another left back 
Another keeper

[Gary Strodders shank]

On current form if we had straight swapped Dawson for Kilman i still wouldn't be sure who got the better deal.

He doesn't dominate enough in the air for a big man and fails to be a goal threat in the opposing box unlike Dawson who would pop up with with a few headers.

Good on the ball supposedly but doesn't seem to have the confidence to bring it out of defence possibly because he knows he hasn't got the pace to recover should he lose it.

its hard to pick any positive attributes to be honest other than there is plenty of room for improvement.
 

[LJC]

Is it the way he plays that you think makes him the biggest problem because there is a lot worse or the £40m because it’s not his fault what we paid for him.

Either way there is a lot worse problems.

[Sir Alf]

Eerie could u let me know where to buy a Sully doll. Be brilliant to have a life sized doll ( 3 ft tall ) to knock seven shades of sh*t out of

[DukeofDevo]

Kilman is in the perfect position to  boss the box! Yesterday’s capitulation was down to lack of leadership on the pitch!  I didn’t like that potter took of Emerson either. CB position make good captains because they can see who’s not doing their jobs and can dish out a bollocking! Which was badly needed yesterday and in several other games lately!

[Sir Alf]

Dont worry Gank, Kilman imo at fault for the second yesterday. Wouldnt leave him out of the blame game

[fraser]

I was wrong about him I said we were paying £15 million too much, I think it was £40 million 

[Gank]

Kilman is just a victim of the club being shit at transfers.

If we had got him for 5 million nobody would be expecting any better than what we're getting and his every mistake wouldn't be getting scrutinised.

Still, he'll be happy that Sit Alf is blaming Paqueta instead!

[Iron Duke]

I didn’t know much about him, but was hoping we were getting a leader who could marshal the defence. He was Lop’s captain at Wolves so I assumed he would be his captain. Surpisingly, after forking out £40m, it turned out he wasn’t captain material at all. He doesn’t dominate the back line. He’s not bad on the ball, but not good enough to make up for his lack of aggression. He’s probably worth about half what we paid for him. Right now we would struggle to even get that much for him. I think he would work well with a Dawson like defender. Unfortunately, Todibo is another ball playing defender and Mavro makes at least one bad mistake every game. Just think we have spent the best part of £90m on those three and we still need a proper centre back.

[Eerie Decent]

His stock is plummeting fast. Mavropanos now looking better. Not his fault. Sullivans for having no plan at all, for appointing ( against Steidten, Noble etc advice ) and then allowing Lopetegui to recruit him and paying double his worth and paying him double what he was getting.

Sullivan is the problem, how many times do we need to say it for some people to realise? Or is it just that we know we are powerless to do anything about it so naturally direct all vitriol at the symptoms of Sullivan’s tenure ( the managers he appoints )

Alf, separate your (borderline psychotic) obsession with Sullivan, with assessing individual players on their merits.

Geezer doesn't know what he's doing, we all know that. He backed the manager he appointed, two mistakes of many, but the lad coat £40mil and he's at the club, so we need to take action. Discuss that on this thread, if you want to continue your obsession with Sullivan, go on to the Sullivan thread and fill your boots 

Also, go and see someone, who you can sit and talk to, and punch your Sullivan doll until the voices stop.

[Sir Alf]

Positionally totally at fault for Brighton equaliser. Sure Brighton overloaded on Coufal’s side and a free header easily comes across in the first place but Kilman has no awareness of where Mita is and is marking no one.

The other 2 worldies come from central defensive midfield being AWOL and allowing acres of space and loads of time. On top of this Paqueta slow to close down on the first and not throwing his body at the ball to stop it.  

Central midfield again costing us 2 goals. 

[Gank]

We desperately needed a centre back, having left it far too late as usual. The new manager has asked for his best CB from his old place, and has probably said something along the lines of "he can play out from the back and he'll never let me down - I even made him captain"

The two clubs have negotiated a fee, Lopetegui wouldn't have had anything to do with that and at 40 million it seemed well toppy even before he kicked a ball.

Then when he arrived he looked like Rio, running with the ball out of defense and threading long accurate passes to facilitate attacks and then it didn't really matter about the 40 million because he had replaced two players who couldn't do that, just what we needed.

He didn't sustain that level of performance and then the guy who had fought to get him there got sacked (maybe too early, another debate) and he's left without his mentor, new team mates and some other prat coming in to take charge.

As Lopetegui's de facto captain and the only bloke who could understand what he was going on about, Kilman was a valuable member of the squad. The new bloke is English so we don't need his translation service any more, everyone is on a clean slate so we don't need his leadership so much and Fullkrug has the most pubes in the dressing room now anyway and our system pus big pressure on a slow defensive unit so Kilman and Mavropanos are now to blame for loads of conceded goals.

He went from expensive important player to overpriced liability in a few months, that will have had a significant mental affect on him and that is now showing in his performances.

Being scared of making a mistake leading to a goal means he's now not even committing to trying to stop goals at all costs.

He must hate that he ended up costing us 40 million quid. There's a player in there and a good sports psychologist can get him firing for the new season to the point that he is the least of our problems, which is all we can really ask for at this stage.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Him and that walking fucking ricket Mavropanos can fuck right off, the pair of cunts.

[Manuel]

You wouldn't want him in the trenches with you, absolute fucking pussy. Oh, and he's fucking shit.

Lopetegui's legacy.