Max Kilman

[Eerie Decent]

This lad is a real problem.

At £40mil, it's getting to the point of worst ever signing territory. The worst crime in football is hiding, centre back is probably the one position you can half get away with it, but not for too long. Shirks taking responsibility, who imo makes him worse than Mavropanos, at least he fronts up, which can lead to mistakes. Kilman doesn't, so it doesn't get highlighted.

We've obviously got a massive overhaul in the summer, but for me, he is the biggest problem in our team and we need to cut our losses if we can. It took a while to spot, because he hides, but you can't fool people for too long. Wolves fans told us, some wouldn't have it, but they were dead right. Absolute fraud of a player.

[Gank]

He still makes our starting 11 if we're using 3CBs with wing backs. Again, and I keep using this phrase, it says more about West ham than it does him.

[Sir Alf]

Beast of a CB not “beat” although could be a right if it read “dead beat” I suppose

[Sir Alf]

We are stuck with him unfortunately. Could be devent back up to Todibo and hopefully another beat of a CB we bring in over the summer. Expensive squad player for sure but thats where we are so may as well try to use as best we can as backuo and in some cup games etc

Of course, wishful thinking we get another CB in but if we can sell Aguerd and / or Mavro possibly? That said, the CB sits behind central midgield and striking dept in the priorities

[Eerie Decent]

The common theme for most of these players that are shit is the club they play for.

When Kilman first played, there was even some comments about him a steal at £40m.  He looked solid and played out from the back, just need a little time to settle.

Since he has settled into this circus of a club, he's gone backwards.

There is a player in there, as there is in most of our squad.  But there is something rotten at West Ham right now. 

Can't really blame DS directly, but his job is to employ the right people to run the club and employ the right people to do that.  With the manager, coaching staff and players, he's getting something very wrong.  I don't think it's a simple case of the player is shit, or the manager is shit, or the coaching staff are shit, but something clearly is wrong.

You might have had a point, we're it not for Wolves fans pretty much unanimously telling us he was shit/average at best, and named his weaknesses as everything we are now seeing. They said £40mil was daylight robbery on us.

He hides, he's slow, he doesn't have natural defensive nous, he doesn't speak on the pitch. Disaster of a signing, I'd have Mavropanos over him every day of the week, and i also think he's pony.

[Manuel]

"When Kilman first played, there was even some comments about him a steal at £40m.  He looked solid and played out from the back, just need a little time to settle."

 

Maybe a bit dramatic, but certainly some said he was a good signing.

I remember how poor in looked in the States pre-season which was fucking alarming, but hoped it was rustiness etc, but no sadly that was the real him. he can occasionally look OK but 40 fucking mil?? As quiet as a mouse too. Don't know what the answer is.

[scott_d]

"When Kilman first played, there was even some comments about him a steal at £40m.  He looked solid and played out from the back, just need a little time to settle."
 

Maybe a bit dramatic, but certainly some said he was a good signing.

[scott_d]

The common theme for most of these players that are shit is the club they play for.

When Kilman first played, there was even some comments about him a steal at £40m.  He looked solid and played out from the back, just need a little time to settle.

Since he has settled into this circus of a club, he's gone backwards.

There is a player in there, as there is in most of our squad.  But there is something rotten at West Ham right now. 

Can't really blame DS directly, but his job is to employ the right people to run the club and employ the right people to do that.  With the manager, coaching staff and players, he's getting something very wrong.  I don't think it's a simple case of the player is shit, or the manager is shit, or the coaching staff are shit, but something clearly is wrong.

[Lee Trundle]

His transfer price isn't the issue with him now.  As a club you'd take the hit on him just to get him out to improve the defence.

But who is mental enough to pick up his 6 year contract on £100k a week?

I reckon we're stuck with him for at least another season, possibly much longer.

[Sir Alf]

Kilman was worth half what we paid for him and based on this season that looks like an overspend too.

But he is just one variable in a set that has led us to the deep rut we now sit in.  The squad depth, weakness and imbalance another huge reason, the lack of a long term plan and DOF to execute it at the root of all problems and hence our owner.  Btw, Sullivan wants success, has made budget available but his meddling, need for recognition, control whatever, means he consistently "shoots himself in the feet".  Hard to tell anyone they are the biggest part of the problem and barrier to success especially a small narcissist.

We need another CB, one who is quick, physical beast but also very athletic who has good passing and control. Van Dyke a few years back is the template or someone like Rudegar but to buy the finished article is well beyond our budget.  All comes back to recruitment and getting a young, perhaps raw version and developing them.  Trouble is every club has data analytics and every part of the world is scouted.  We are catching up in this area. One of the last to take this approach but arguably not implemented properly because almost every other club in top flight football has the analytics as part of a football strategy overseen and directed by a DOF.   Even if we identify them, we then have our owner entrusted to agree with the choice and then negotiate and get a deal over the line.  Odds are against us

 

[Lee Trundle]

It was obvious early doors that he wasn't up to it.  The amount of excuses I've seen for him for him to be able to perform has been ridiculous.  That he needs better defenders around him.  That he needs better midfielders in front of him.  That he needs to be played in a back 3.  That he needs to play in the centre of a back 3.  Maybe he's just shit?

I'd take whatever hit on him and look to move him on, otherwise our defence won't improve.

[Gank]

Without a rickett I should have said

An interesting observation - Maybe this is highlighting Kilman's weaknesses that were always there but overshadowed by the goals Mavropanos was giving away?

[Sir Alf]

Without a rickett I should have said

[Sir Alf]

Mavropanos is currently defying the odds. Its been a long run of what, 5 or 6 games ( maybe more ) of a memorable rickett?  

[Gank]

Mavropanos always seems to play well for Greece.

So did Gary Breen for Ireland. It's not always a good measure to gauge from with the generally slower tempo of International Football compared to the intensity of most games in the Prem. 

That's true. But in both cases, his team mates in defence are better for club than country and the issue with Mavropanos for us isn't that he plays poorly, he often does well, but every match he does something so terrible that it either gives away a goal or a golden opportunity. It's weird how it's every game for us but never for Greece. It isn't the team mates and it isn't the opposition so it has to be the system.

He should probably be moved on for his own good, he's a good defender who doesn't fit us at all. We're short of depth at the back, though.

[Massive Attack]

Mavropanos always seems to play well for Greece.

So did Gary Breen for Ireland. It's not always a good measure to gauge from with the generally slower tempo of International Football compared to the intensity of most games in the Prem. 

[Gank]

Mavropanos always seems to play well for Greece.

[Massive Attack]

He's been very poor this season, no doubt about that.

[eusebiovic]

Mavropanos blows both Todibo and Kilman out the water when it comes to who's been the most disastrous defender currently at the Club. A constant accident waiting to happen. Get rid ASAP.

I know but Kilman doesn't look like much of a leader either does he? He was supposed to be half decent but looks like an much more expensive Colin Foster at 50 times the price!

[Massive Attack]

Mavropanos blows both Todibo and Kilman out the water when it comes to who's been the most disastrous defender currently at the Club. A constant accident waiting to happen. Get rid ASAP.

[eusebiovic]

He's not much better than Mavropantsos who cost £18 million. As we all know even an average player who qualifies for England always goes for double the price.

The funny thing is if old Mavro had somebody always sweeping up behind him I think he would be O.K as a forward facing defender. He always gets isolated and is the last man standing when everyone else is lagging behind on the pitch.

I'm not saying he's stellar but why is he always the one left scrabbling? It ain't all his fault.

[Massive Attack]

I wouldn't class him as a success either, no. But you can see when he does play well, he's levels above Kilman. 

Nope, I've seen little difference between them. Both been very underwhelming for all their promise and I dont believe they're both at the peak of their abilities, far from it in fact. 

[LJC]

Of course it is mate.

[Mex Martillo]

Kilman is a good defender for the Premier. I will agree that 40M is over priced. Having said that Durán was bought for 70M. Fucking madness!

[Eerie Decent]

It's not an insult, it's a fact.

[LJC]

Hahaha blah blah blah don’t know their football what a shit fucking insult when you have been shown up so many times. Ok so your argument isn’t the £40m it’s the way he plays. So what do you say about our attacking midfielder that has 0 assists this season? Not a major issue? I could go through alot more players.