Max Kilman

[Eerie Decent]

This lad is a real problem.

At £40mil, it's getting to the point of worst ever signing territory. The worst crime in football is hiding, centre back is probably the one position you can half get away with it, but not for too long. Shirks taking responsibility, who imo makes him worse than Mavropanos, at least he fronts up, which can lead to mistakes. Kilman doesn't, so it doesn't get highlighted.

We've obviously got a massive overhaul in the summer, but for me, he is the biggest problem in our team and we need to cut our losses if we can. It took a while to spot, because he hides, but you can't fool people for too long. Wolves fans told us, some wouldn't have it, but they were dead right. Absolute fraud of a player.

[onsideman]

You get the slower centre backs who position themselves well, command both areas, compete for every cross, corner or free kick, block everything and generally make life really difficult for opposing centre forwards as well as being a threat in the opposition box. Most recently, for us, that would be Craig Dawson.

Then you get the quicker, footballing centre backs. The ones who can really play, with confidence and composure, and who's ability to cover ground rapidly compensates for any positioning shortfalls.

Then you get Max Kilman

[Massive Attack]

Is there a player hiding in there somewhere?  We were all lauding him as an excellent signing, we paid 40 million, what caused that thinking.

is he just a bit shell shocked at the shit show he’s joined and maybe a bit low on confidence. can he come good under the right manager ? 

My feeling is yes. His confidence is shot to bits this season and isn't doing himself justice at all. That doesn't excuse his woeful performances or indeed  his unforced error like today and called for him to be dropped myself before Brighton. I do however think he can come good should we get the right manager in to sort his head out. But he isn't currently proving he's worth £4 let alone £40M which seems to weigh heavily around his neck which he didn't have to play under that level of expectation before coming here and he's struggled with it.

[nychammer]

Is there a player hiding in there somewhere?  We were all lauding him as an excellent signing, we paid 40 million, what caused that thinking.

is he just a bit shell shocked at the shit show he’s joined and maybe a bit low on confidence. can he come good under the right manager ? 

[Sir Alf]

Casey Ive watched a few times for the yoofs, U21s and he just seems too lightweight. Maybe he can fill out and develop but seems a way off Premier Lge just now. Rice was exceptional at 18/19 years old and no one has come close to that since. A “once in a generation” talent probably.  

Potts and Earthy seem closest and then I suppose Marshall. Guilherme also in this category.  Then we start to think of the next lot which is Orford.  But even Potts and Earthy, Premier League? Hopefully but need to develop a lot more. Again, physicality the biggest issue Imo but they have time. Fingers crossed.   

 

[eusebiovic]

Surely Kaelan Casey can't be any worse than this fella.

He might make a mistake or two but at least he is young enough to learn from them like Rice did. 

[Percy Dalton]

We just haven't got a spine.
Starting with Areola he's a glorified shot stopper who has zilch distribution skills.
Kilman is a championship player at best and we haven't had a decent striker for two years at least.
Continue that scenario next season and it's bye bye Premier league 

[Sir Alf]

Yet again we buy a bloke who is too slow.  At £40 million, and his wages, yet another financial and footballing disaster in a 15 year catalog of disasterous transfer dealings. Our recruitment is not even “scatter gun” as that would assume its aimed in above both feet.  No joined up thinking or plan whatsoever reflecting the intelligence and thinking of our narcissistic owner.  

[honky cat]

People didn't want Harry Maguire but this fella makes him look like a Rolls Royce even now.



 

 

 

Some of it was that he didn't want to join us, as he was on too much wedge at Man Utd and didn't fancy London. But there is far too much value placed on the opinion of these YouTubers and Twitter lot. Same with McTominay, not wanted. They were probably just what we needed this season. 

Perhaps the next manager will improve Kilman . . .or the manager after that 

[LeroysBoots]

He's fucking rubbish, a liability every game

[Eerie Decent]

As I said, he's our biggest problem,  because of the money paid, meaning we can't really sell him as we'd be at too much of a loss given no one would spend more than £10mil on the bloke. 

He's a guaranteed starter under Plodder,  so look forward to more of the same next season. 

London Derby, against bitter rivals, his team in awful form, and he does that 10 minutes into the game. For all the fancy new tactics, progressive carries, pivots and all that bollocks, the most important thing for a defender in those circumstances,  clear the fucking ball out of fucking danger. Absolute amateur hour.

[Gary Strodders shank]

At fault for the goal and lost the ball trying to bring it out of defence.

Cumbersome slow of pace with no apparent footballing brain or sense of awareness when being closed down.

He doesn't show any leadership qualities either

I can't think of any worse signings in the modern era based on the fee paid and a total lack of apparent ability.

The ageing Cresswell the only talker at the back

People didn't want Harry Maguire but this fella makes him look like a Rolls Royce even now.

 

[Gank]

According to this article, Max Kilman is "the best defender in the Premier League. Bar none."

https://www.hammers.news/news/david-sul ... s-stunned/

However, this is the same article that starts by saying that only three players can finish the season with their heads held high then names five.

[fraser]

You have to laugh at that mong twoleftfeet who spends every game on who telling someone who has been to more games than he ever has "bye then" especially when he was demanding we sell every single player Saturday... What a sad existence he leads spending his whole life on who pretending to be the biggest West Ham fan ever. 

[Lee Trundle]

Is your favourite colour BEIGE, twoleftfeet?

[twoleftfeet]

He is useless. Not Gary Breen useless, but Breen was a free and Kilman was £40m, yet they are comparable….

Imagine a club that sells Craig Dawson to someone for £3m and then signs his inferior partner for £40m. Sullivans tenure has reached bottom of barrel level. Beyond it perhaps. The constant swinging between poorly chosen foreigner to boring Brit, the wrong signings, to now the 7 year contracts to absolute shite.  I won’t mention the stadium.

Us as fans & Sullivan as an owner deserve a defensive partnership
of Mavropanos & Kilman. We deserve a poor man’s Gareth Southgate as a manger. We deserve everything we’re getting because we’ve stood back and accepted it all. I’m bored and fed up with it all and by a long way, this is the closest I’ve been to taking a step back and not bothering anymore. 

Bye then

[southbankbornnbred]

“Imagine a club that sells Craig Dawson to someone for £3m and then signs his inferior partner for £40m.”

Absolutely sums it up.

I’m not going rip Kilman’s character - he’s actually a decent fella and he battles hard. But he’s just a low-quality Premier League player. Worth nothing like £40m.

I also don’t blame him for signing. If somebody offered me a seven-year contract on the sort of money a £40m signing gets, then I’d bite their arm off. He knows his talent, and this one deal makes him very wealthy for life.

The people involved in that transfer should be shot (metaphorically). Lopetegui, Sullivan, Steidten (he’s not excused just because Lope chose Kilman: he still had input) and any agents involved. Fucking amateurs.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

For the outlay.. this bloke has been a massive fail.

He's in good company though

BUT HAVE NO FEAR .
BARONESS BRADY  IS IN DA HOOSE

 

[WHUDeano]

He is useless. Not Gary Breen useless, but Breen was a free and Kilman was £40m, yet they are comparable….

Imagine a club that sells Craig Dawson to someone for £3m and then signs his inferior partner for £40m. Sullivans tenure has reached bottom of barrel level. Beyond it perhaps. The constant swinging between poorly chosen foreigner to boring Brit, the wrong signings, to now the 7 year contracts to absolute shite.  I won’t mention the stadium.

Us as fans & Sullivan as an owner deserve a defensive partnership
of Mavropanos & Kilman. We deserve a poor man’s Gareth Southgate as a manger. We deserve everything we’re getting because we’ve stood back and accepted it all. I’m bored and fed up with it all and by a long way, this is the closest I’ve been to taking a step back and not bothering anymore. 

[easthammer]

 He needs a partner to complement the way he plays.


 

That was a good post until you got to this bit. 

Sorry, Lee, but I can't work out what was wrong with this bit?
At first I thought I might have misspelt complement. But I hadn't.

Mind you if I had suggested he needed a partner for a compliment.
Maybe it should be "Ooh Max what a tackle"

[Lee Trundle]

 He needs a partner to complement the way he plays.

 

That was a good post until you got to this bit. 

[Eerie Decent]

Interesting stuff, however, you can never beat the eye test with stats.

For example, I bet there isn't a stat for when playing left of a back 3, you leave an inexperienced 19 year old all on his own up against the best player in the Premier League, time after time.

Opta won't be measuring that, I do though. I'm not bothered about how many clearances he makes, or 'progressive carries'.

[easthammer]

https://fbref.com/en/players/d0f72bf1/s ... ing-Report

First, I think Kilman was overpriced at £40m, but I assume that was Lopetegui's fault. However, as others have said I don't think there is much or any chance of moving him on any time soon. If you look at his opta stats ( current and in the past) it becomes obvious that the one thing he doesn't do is tackle and this is where I think our current problems lie. Some of you will be shouting at this fact. What is the point of a centre back who can't or doesn't tackle? I would have some empathy with such a view. But obviously not Lopetegui and those who wanted to play a more possession-based style than experienced under Moyes.

Kilman has some good qualities compared to other Centre Backs in the Premeirship his stats for interceptions, blocks, clearances and aerials won are well above the average. He is also above average for successful take-ons and progressive carries. He has average pass completion rates, he has been ever present and has only been booked four times ( maybe because he doesn't tackle!) 

When at the end of ( or anytime in ) the game, when teams are putting us under the cosh because they have walked through our meek tackling, slow-moving midfield, just don't be looking for Kilman to be flying in with a match-saving tackle, it just ain't his style and never has been. Kilman's overall figures are down on his  Wolves outings, but not the general pattern of what he does and does not bring to the team. He needs a partner to complement the way he plays. Interestingly, Mavaropanos' figures of strengths and weaknesses are very similar to Kilmans. ( The stats don't feature on crucial  cock ups though). Todibo has a greater propensity to tackle - but for that to happen you have to be fit and on the pitch to do it.

 

[Lee Trundle]

He makes our starting 11 if we're using 3CBs, because we only have 3 senior CB's on our books.

[Mad Dog]

He's a 20m defender at best.  Not a 40m one.

Good work lopetegi.  

[Eerie Decent]

We've weighed out £40mil on a centre back that can't play in a back four.

Heady days.