Max Kilman

[Eerie Decent]

This lad is a real problem.

At £40mil, it's getting to the point of worst ever signing territory. The worst crime in football is hiding, centre back is probably the one position you can half get away with it, but not for too long. Shirks taking responsibility, who imo makes him worse than Mavropanos, at least he fronts up, which can lead to mistakes. Kilman doesn't, so it doesn't get highlighted.

We've obviously got a massive overhaul in the summer, but for me, he is the biggest problem in our team and we need to cut our losses if we can. It took a while to spot, because he hides, but you can't fool people for too long. Wolves fans told us, some wouldn't have it, but they were dead right. Absolute fraud of a player.

[El Scorchio]

He has been shit lately but there's no way we should be dumping him if its going to cost us £10-20m to do so.  That is just insanity, i'd rather keep him as 3rd/4th choice and hope that Potter can get him back to the from from the start of the season

We can't have a backup earning 100K a week for 6 more years. That would be a horrific drain and a massive millstone with the revenues thing. It'll prevent us signing other players.

We're better off just accepting our absolute buggering with this one to just cut our losses, get anything we can, and move on.

[Gank]

Kilman is one of the players who represent a different problem for us, in that yes we may need to sell before we buy, but name your strongest XII and he is either starting or first choice CB backup - so we can't sell him first leaving us even weaker in defence and signing a first choice starting CB still doesn't afford us the depth to sell him.

Now we have absolutely nothing to play for, we need to see what Casey is like in a league match with no pressure. If he makes a mistake leading to a goal, Kilman or Mavropanos probably would have done that anyway so it won't matter. If he links up well with Todibo and looks strong enough, perhaps we can afford to lose one of Aguerd/Kilman/Mavropanos as bench CB and have Casey take their place on the subs bench. 

If we don't do that then we don't actually have a centre back to sell, no matter how bad they are. And if we have to sell before buying, we won't be able to afford a better one either.

The sooner we bite the bullet on him, the better, I reckon.

It'll be an almighty expense to us, but the longer he goes into the 6 years he's got left on his £100k a week contract, the harder it will be to shift whatever proportion of that to another club who's stupid enough to buy him.

Perhaps he could be used as a makeweight for a different player and we pay a chunk of his wages for the remainder of his contract. But that probably means he has to get a contract of that length at the new club. Not many will agree to that!

[Rossal]

He has been shit lately but there's no way we should be dumping him if its going to cost us £10-20m to do so.  That is just insanity, i'd rather keep him as 3rd/4th choice and hope that Potter can get him back to the from from the start of the season

[El Scorchio]

He's been a fucking disaster considering the money spent and the ridiculous length of the deal makes it all the worse. You'd be annoyed if we'd have spent 20 million on a 4 year deal given what we've seen. Lop and Sullivan had their absolute pants pulled down over this both in terms of financials and their assessment of the player's talent. Lop especially looks like an awful, awful judge of talent (especially given the player simply can't play in the system he wanted to) and considering some of the deals Sullivan has torpedoed, it's embarrassing this is the one he gave the green light to.

Anyway I agree he just needs to be wiped off the books at the end of this season the least damaging way possible. It's inevitable we'll take a huge financial hit on him, IF we can even convince the player to leave. Why would he go anyway, given the financial security we've offered? No team is going to pick him up on anything like the terms we have him on. We might be able to loan him or wind up paying half his salary for the next god knows how long for if we can jettison him for 10 million or something.

There cannot be many people in football who have seen him this season and thought he's got much about him at all. We might be able to loan or sell him to someone desperate. Maybe Leeds or whoever comes up in the playoffs.

[Lee Trundle]

Kilman is one of the players who represent a different problem for us, in that yes we may need to sell before we buy, but name your strongest XII and he is either starting or first choice CB backup - so we can't sell him first leaving us even weaker in defence and signing a first choice starting CB still doesn't afford us the depth to sell him.

Now we have absolutely nothing to play for, we need to see what Casey is like in a league match with no pressure. If he makes a mistake leading to a goal, Kilman or Mavropanos probably would have done that anyway so it won't matter. If he links up well with Todibo and looks strong enough, perhaps we can afford to lose one of Aguerd/Kilman/Mavropanos as bench CB and have Casey take their place on the subs bench. 

If we don't do that then we don't actually have a centre back to sell, no matter how bad they are. And if we have to sell before buying, we won't be able to afford a better one either.

The sooner we bite the bullet on him, the better, I reckon.

It'll be an almighty expense to us, but the longer he goes into the 6 years he's got left on his £100k a week contract, the harder it will be to shift whatever proportion of that to another club who's stupid enough to buy him.

[Gank]

Kilman is one of the players who represent a different problem for us, in that yes we may need to sell before we buy, but name your strongest XII and he is either starting or first choice CB backup - so we can't sell him first leaving us even weaker in defence and signing a first choice starting CB still doesn't afford us the depth to sell him.

Now we have absolutely nothing to play for, we need to see what Casey is like in a league match with no pressure. If he makes a mistake leading to a goal, Kilman or Mavropanos probably would have done that anyway so it won't matter. If he links up well with Todibo and looks strong enough, perhaps we can afford to lose one of Aguerd/Kilman/Mavropanos as bench CB and have Casey take their place on the subs bench. 

If we don't do that then we don't actually have a centre back to sell, no matter how bad they are. And if we have to sell before buying, we won't be able to afford a better one either.

[Lee Trundle]

You just know he's going to give Cresswell another year on his contract.

People will say he's playing well, but even I'd look like Maldini playing next to Kilman.

[Eerie Decent]

There's  barely a fag paper between Aguerd and Kilman, both nowhere near good enough. 

[Far Cough UKunt]

I'd rather have the cat kicker with his dodgy knees than either Mavropanos or Kilman and get Aguerd back as well.

Good God we have some fucking shit in this squad, more than I can think of any squad in the past.

[southbankbornnbred]

He’s not the worst player in the squad - not by any means. But he’s a poor, slow player (like many in this squad) and worth nowhere near £40m.

Hes a bottom half of the Prem/Championship player. And for that money you have to expect a lot better.

He is a massive problem, though, because he’s not even a year into a massive seven-year deal. He won’t want to go anywhere else: he’s made for life at West Ham.

Lopetegui should have been sacked for that deal alone.

 

[Eerie Decent]

Is there a player hiding in there somewhere?  We were all lauding him as an excellent signing, we paid 40 million, what caused that thinking.

is he just a bit shell shocked at the shit show he’s joined and maybe a bit low on confidence. can he come good under the right manager ? 

My feeling is yes. His confidence is shot to bits this season and isn't doing himself justice at all. That doesn't excuse his woeful performances or indeed  his unforced error like today and called for him to be dropped myself before Brighton. I do however think he can come good should we get the right manager in to sort his head out. But he isn't currently proving he's worth £4 let alone £40M which seems to weigh heavily around his neck which he didn't have to play under that level of expectation before coming here and he's struggled with it.

He had one game in particular where he was absolutely brilliant. Any player in the Premier League can have that sort of performance as a one off.

However, you cannot be as shit as he has been, for such a long period of time, and blame it on everything else other than him.

Importantly though, if you read the thread, I've said it already, the most worrying thing about it is this is exactly the player most Wolves fans said we were getting. Slow, doesn't talk, no leadership, makes mistakes. So either they are wrong, most of us are wrong, and we can make loads of excuses for him being shit. Just like some are doing for Potter.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Sullivan kippered again with this transfer.

He won't learn though - he's got a degree and done all the learning he needs.

Who's his next target?

[Lee Trundle]

Is there a player hiding in there somewhere?  We were all lauding him as an excellent signing, we paid 40 million, what caused that thinking.

is he just a bit shell shocked at the shit show he’s joined and maybe a bit low on confidence. can he come good under the right manager ? 

 

 

The same people lauding him as and excellent signing were probably the same ones who laughably thought we won the transfer window last summer. 

These are probably the same people who thinks there's a decent player in Kilman and he just needs better players around him 

They're wrong. He's just shit.

[onsideman]

You get the slower centre backs who position themselves well, command both areas, compete for every cross, corner or free kick, block everything and generally make life really difficult for opposing centre forwards as well as being a threat in the opposition box. Most recently, for us, that would be Craig Dawson.

Then you get the quicker, footballing centre backs. The ones who can really play, with confidence and composure, and who's ability to cover ground rapidly compensates for any positioning shortfalls.

Then you get Max Kilman

[Massive Attack]

Is there a player hiding in there somewhere?  We were all lauding him as an excellent signing, we paid 40 million, what caused that thinking.

is he just a bit shell shocked at the shit show he’s joined and maybe a bit low on confidence. can he come good under the right manager ? 

My feeling is yes. His confidence is shot to bits this season and isn't doing himself justice at all. That doesn't excuse his woeful performances or indeed  his unforced error like today and called for him to be dropped myself before Brighton. I do however think he can come good should we get the right manager in to sort his head out. But he isn't currently proving he's worth £4 let alone £40M which seems to weigh heavily around his neck which he didn't have to play under that level of expectation before coming here and he's struggled with it.

[nychammer]

Is there a player hiding in there somewhere?  We were all lauding him as an excellent signing, we paid 40 million, what caused that thinking.

is he just a bit shell shocked at the shit show he’s joined and maybe a bit low on confidence. can he come good under the right manager ? 

[Sir Alf]

Casey Ive watched a few times for the yoofs, U21s and he just seems too lightweight. Maybe he can fill out and develop but seems a way off Premier Lge just now. Rice was exceptional at 18/19 years old and no one has come close to that since. A “once in a generation” talent probably.  

Potts and Earthy seem closest and then I suppose Marshall. Guilherme also in this category.  Then we start to think of the next lot which is Orford.  But even Potts and Earthy, Premier League? Hopefully but need to develop a lot more. Again, physicality the biggest issue Imo but they have time. Fingers crossed.   

 

[eusebiovic]

Surely Kaelan Casey can't be any worse than this fella.

He might make a mistake or two but at least he is young enough to learn from them like Rice did. 

[Percy Dalton]

We just haven't got a spine.
Starting with Areola he's a glorified shot stopper who has zilch distribution skills.
Kilman is a championship player at best and we haven't had a decent striker for two years at least.
Continue that scenario next season and it's bye bye Premier league 

[Sir Alf]

Yet again we buy a bloke who is too slow.  At £40 million, and his wages, yet another financial and footballing disaster in a 15 year catalog of disasterous transfer dealings. Our recruitment is not even “scatter gun” as that would assume its aimed in above both feet.  No joined up thinking or plan whatsoever reflecting the intelligence and thinking of our narcissistic owner.  

[honky cat]

People didn't want Harry Maguire but this fella makes him look like a Rolls Royce even now.



 

 

 

Some of it was that he didn't want to join us, as he was on too much wedge at Man Utd and didn't fancy London. But there is far too much value placed on the opinion of these YouTubers and Twitter lot. Same with McTominay, not wanted. They were probably just what we needed this season. 

Perhaps the next manager will improve Kilman . . .or the manager after that 

[LeroysBoots]

He's fucking rubbish, a liability every game

[Eerie Decent]

As I said, he's our biggest problem,  because of the money paid, meaning we can't really sell him as we'd be at too much of a loss given no one would spend more than £10mil on the bloke. 

He's a guaranteed starter under Plodder,  so look forward to more of the same next season. 

London Derby, against bitter rivals, his team in awful form, and he does that 10 minutes into the game. For all the fancy new tactics, progressive carries, pivots and all that bollocks, the most important thing for a defender in those circumstances,  clear the fucking ball out of fucking danger. Absolute amateur hour.

[Gary Strodders shank]

At fault for the goal and lost the ball trying to bring it out of defence.

Cumbersome slow of pace with no apparent footballing brain or sense of awareness when being closed down.

He doesn't show any leadership qualities either

I can't think of any worse signings in the modern era based on the fee paid and a total lack of apparent ability.

The ageing Cresswell the only talker at the back

People didn't want Harry Maguire but this fella makes him look like a Rolls Royce even now.

 

[Gank]

According to this article, Max Kilman is "the best defender in the Premier League. Bar none."

https://www.hammers.news/news/david-sul ... s-stunned/

However, this is the same article that starts by saying that only three players can finish the season with their heads held high then names five.