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[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Nutsin]

Pick up trucks

In 2024, the UK's light commercial vehicle (LCV) market, which includes pickup trucks, saw a 3% increase to 351,834 units. While the overall LCV market grew, the pickup sector experienced a decline. Specifically, the pickup sector fell by over a quarter, finishing 28.1% down on December 2023. 

Declining sales provides a golden opportunity to go in and bring back those that left the market. 

Question is why the decline, US has a superior product and has some nice trucks, seems like a market crying out for better.

Not sure your foresight is accurate as per usual Goose.

I mean every topic results in you guessing the future and you’re always wrong.

Time will tell, but there is a market, the numbers show that.

“Declining sales provides a golden opportunity”

hahaha absolute classic. Demand has fallen off a cliff and you think this is your market?? I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

maybe you should hit the DVD market as well while you’re there.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

As for US beef,

US beef is often known for its grain-fed, marbled, and potentially more flavorful characteristics. UK beef, on the other hand, is typically grass-fed and free-range, resulting in leaner meat with a different flavor profile. 


You were saying?

[goose]

Pick up trucks

In 2024, the UK's light commercial vehicle (LCV) market, which includes pickup trucks, saw a 3% increase to 351,834 units. While the overall LCV market grew, the pickup sector experienced a decline. Specifically, the pickup sector fell by over a quarter, finishing 28.1% down on December 2023. 

Declining sales provides a golden opportunity to go in and bring back those that left the market. 

Question is why the decline, US has a superior product and has some nice trucks, seems like a market crying out for better.

Not sure your foresight is accurate as per usual Goose.

I mean every topic results in you guessing the future and you’re always wrong.

Time will tell, but there is a market, the numbers show that.

“Declining sales provides a golden opportunity”

hahaha absolute classic. Demand has fallen off a cliff and you think this is your market?? I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

maybe you should hit the DVD market as well while you’re there.

[Nutsin]

 

I hate to break it to you, but you can already buy a right hand drive Ford Mustang in the U.K. but they’re just not very popular. The Ford brand just doesn’t come across as anything other than boring and middle of the road. It doesn’t have the prestige of the European brands.

People don’t want pick ups. They’re massive and fuel hungry. The market just isn’t there.

but hey, you’ll disagree with everything I post even it’s as plain as the nose on your face.

oh and btw, I think we have beef already.

Are you lying again?

In the UK, the Ford Puma consistently tops the charts as the best-selling car. It has maintained its position as the top-selling car in 2023 and 2024, and is currently on track to do so again in 2025. The Nissan Qashqai usually sits in second place, with the Nissan Juke following closely behind.

Do you remember when YOU posted that they couldn’t manufacture US made cars in the UK because they were all left hand drive? LOL.
It’s not too far back in this thread, it’s easily found.

Gotta laugh!

Yes you do have to laugh.
They manufacture that car in Romania. 
its sells for about £25k.

nothing like a ford mustang or pick up price tag.

You said Tesla could just ‘adjust’ to make right hand drives, I told you it’s expensive. You don’t adjust you set up entire new production lines and/or units with new parts etc etc. You really should read what I post.

Such a silly argument, too stupid to take seriously.

[Nutsin]

Pick up trucks

In 2024, the UK's light commercial vehicle (LCV) market, which includes pickup trucks, saw a 3% increase to 351,834 units. While the overall LCV market grew, the pickup sector experienced a decline. Specifically, the pickup sector fell by over a quarter, finishing 28.1% down on December 2023. 

Declining sales provides a golden opportunity to go in and bring back those that left the market. 

Question is why the decline, US has a superior product and has some nice trucks, seems like a market crying out for better.

Not sure your foresight is accurate as per usual Goose.

I mean every topic results in you guessing the future and you’re always wrong.

Time will tell, but there is a market, the numbers show that.

[goose]

Just think you’re gonna have more options not only in the car you drive but also on what food you buy. 

Good eh!

MAGA!

 

I hate to break it to you, but you can already buy a right hand drive Ford Mustang in the U.K. but they’re just not very popular. The Ford brand just doesn’t come across as anything other than boring and middle of the road. It doesn’t have the prestige of the European brands.

People don’t want pick ups. They’re massive and fuel hungry. The market just isn’t there.

but hey, you’ll disagree with everything I post even it’s as plain as the nose on your face.

oh and btw, I think we have beef already.

Are you lying again?

In the UK, the Ford Puma consistently tops the charts as the best-selling car. It has maintained its position as the top-selling car in 2023 and 2024, and is currently on track to do so again in 2025. The Nissan Qashqai usually sits in second place, with the Nissan Juke following closely behind.

Do you remember when YOU posted that they couldn’t manufacture US made cars in the UK because they were all left hand drive? LOL.
It’s not too far back in this thread, it’s easily found.

Gotta laugh!

Yes you do have to laugh.
They manufacture that car in Romania. 
its sells for about £25k.

nothing like a ford mustang or pick up price tag.

You said Tesla could just ‘adjust’ to make right hand drives, I told you it’s expensive. You don’t adjust you set up entire new production lines and/or units with new parts etc etc. You really should read what I post.

[Nutsin]

As for pick up trucks my brother in law drives a Nissan pick up truck, pretty sure he isn’t the only person in the UK with one.

[Nutsin]

Not my words Carol, the words of “Top Gear” magazine……..

Just think you’re gonna have more options not only in the car you drive but also on what food you buy. 

Good eh!

MAGA!

 

I hate to break it to you, but you can already buy a right hand drive Ford Mustang in the U.K. but they’re just not very popular. The Ford brand just doesn’t come across as anything other than boring and middle of the road. It doesn’t have the prestige of the European brands.

People don’t want pick ups. They’re massive and fuel hungry. The market just isn’t there.

but hey, you’ll disagree with everything I post even it’s as plain as the nose on your face.

oh and btw, I think we have beef already.

Are you lying again?

In the UK, the Ford Puma consistently tops the charts as the best-selling car. It has maintained its position as the top-selling car in 2023 and 2024, and is currently on track to do so again in 2025. The Nissan Qashqai usually sits in second place, with the Nissan Juke following closely behind.

Do you remember when YOU posted that they couldn’t manufacture US made cars in the UK because they were all left hand drive? LOL.
It’s not too far back in this thread, it’s easily found.

Gotta laugh!

[goose]

You know what more competition is gonna do right?

It’s gonna drive down costs! 

See
how that works?

I think you mean prices not costs.

There’s been competition in the U.K. market for decades. When did car prices ever go down?

[goose]

Not my words Carol, the words of “Top Gear” magazine……..

Just think you’re gonna have more options not only in the car you drive but also on what food you buy. 

Good eh!

MAGA!

 

 

I hate to break it to you, but you can already buy a right hand drive Ford Mustang in the U.K. but they’re just not very popular. The Ford brand just doesn’t come across as anything other than boring and middle of the road. It doesn’t have the prestige of the European brands.

People don’t want pick ups. They’re massive and fuel hungry. The market just isn’t there.

but hey, you’ll disagree with everything I post even it’s as plain as the nose on your face.

oh and btw, I think we have beef already.

[Nutsin]

You know what more competition is gonna do right?

It’s gonna drive down costs! 

See
how that works?

[Nutsin]

Not my words Carol, the words of “Top Gear” magazine……..

Just think you’re gonna have more options not only in the car you drive but also on what food you buy. 

Good eh!

MAGA!

[goose]

Not my words Carol, the words of “Top Gear” magazine……..

[Nutsin]

And that’s all about to change silly nuts!

 

A few US cars that will sell in the UK

Ford Mustang and F150 pick up truck.
Chevy Camaro and the Silverado pick up truck, Corvette.

Dodge Ram pick up, Charger

 Cadillac Escalade, CT 5.

Tesla of course.


There’s plenty more.

so incredibly wrong, why would any buy them over superior European equivalents, only Tesla would do ok but Elon has made even that a hard sell nowdays

Still following me around I see.

Simple answer is price point. For example a Mustang is much cheaper than a BMW or Mercedes as is a Dodge Charger, considered a muscle car the market will be a specific demographic no doubt, but the demand will be there.

For Pick up trucks, Ford F150 is popular for a number of reasons but here is a more detailed reason on why you would pick one truck over another.


The "best" pickup truck is subjective and depends on individual needs, but the Ram 1500 is consistently ranked high for overall quality and features. For towing and hauling, the Ford F-250 Super Duty is a popular choice for heavy-duty needs. If you're looking for a more compact option, the Honda Ridgeline and Toyota Tacoma are often praised for their balance of utility and driving experience. 
Elaboration: 

• Ram 1500:
  Known for its luxurious interior, advanced technology, and smooth ride quality. 

• Ford F-250 Super Duty:
  Offers exceptional towing and hauling capabilities for demanding jobs. 

• Honda Ridgeline:
  A mid-size truck that's praised for its comfortable ride and fuel efficiency. 

• Toyota Tacoma:
  A popular mid-size truck known for its reliability and off-road capabilities. 

• These are some of the reasons why people would buy US vehicles over European.

Cadillacs and GMC cars and SUV’s will appeal to a more sophisticated class of buyer. Not everyone loves European cars.

SUV’s I like the Ford Bronco, but the Cadillac Escalade is a luxurious ride, my old lady had one. The GMC/ Chevy Tahoe is another and the GMC Hummer has its fans.

The smaller cars and regular class autos will appeal for various reasons. 

Needless to say you will see more American vehicles on your road that is a certainty.

[Nutsin]

Been watching a bit of this guy this week...Multi-Millionaire Trader from Ilford turned Inequality Crusader, Gary Stevenson.  Wrote best seller 'The Trading Game'.

Has a theory that the economy is basically fucked, living standards for all but the super rich will continue to fall, and that it's all driven by increasing levels of inequality, and as a result the competition between the super rich and the rest for common resources (Housing, Food, Political Influence, etc) with the Super Rich consuming more and more and at greater scale and as a result there being less left for the 'serfs' (well, middle class down...all about perspective I guess).

Anyway, in this video he talks about why Elon is aligning with Trump, the pushing of anti-immigration agendas by the Super Rich and why that makes so much sense alongside the actual continuation of high levels of immigration.

Thought might be an interesting one for the WHO politico to dissect:

I've posted up his video before, I think he speaks a lot of sense. I especially enjoyed his appearance on question time recently when he made the entire panel shit themselves by claiming they were all millionaires so their kids would be okay. Fiona Bruce nearly had a stroke.

His book is a decent read too.

Communism doesn’t work, there are plenty of examples throughout history that proves it.

This gentleman is from the London School of Economics. Look up the Fabian society to see who they are and what they are….. In short they are socialists.

So what he is saying is nothing new.

As for Elon Musk, man is a genius, he was once the darling of the left with his electric cars. That all changed after he purchased Twitter. However Musk has brought us Spacex and Nueralink too. He has done more good for mankind than any socialist, he is also not a materialist, in fact he is known as a minimalist, he sold
all of his homes and rents his current home. Some would argue this makes him a poor exmple.

As for the media it is obvious that the media bias is to the left with the odd exception, any one arguing otherwise is a fool.

As for allowing the influx of immigration I can see why he would argue that with the Conservative Party in the UK but in no way can you square that to Trump. To do so is ridiculous, It was Biden who allowed mass immigration. Again a major flaw in his argument.
Personally I blame the Globalists! I think we can all agree that is not Trump.

As for the wealth gap growing between the rich and the middle class, blame the Central planners (central banks).
It is their policy of Quantitative easing and zero interest rate program (ZIRP) and Negative Interest rate Program (NIRP) programmes that have inflated asset prices, (real estate and stock prices) that have widened the divide.

Trump is at least doing something about it. It was the corporations who gutted communities by outsourcing US manufacturing jobs for slave labour, lining the pockets of the executives at the expense of the middle class. This is also a contributing factor for the divide. Bringing jobs back even at the expense of corporate profits is the right thing to do for main st. 

To say it is just taxation that is to blame is incorrect. It is a number of things, that include Fiscal policy, Monetary policy and Gov’t policy.

What is the solution, it’s all of the above, taxing the rich more is just one solution. Corporations across the globe play the same game as they are all beholden to their shareholders, usually at the expense of their workers, one way to fix this is to give the workers more rights through unions. Although remember these are also the Job providers so that has to be taken into consideration.

The biggest culprits are the Bankers and the Globalists. It ain’t fucking Elon Musk.

Here you go, this explains who the Fabians and the Lo don school of economics.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

[Nutsin]

Been watching a bit of this guy this week...Multi-Millionaire Trader from Ilford turned Inequality Crusader, Gary Stevenson.  Wrote best seller 'The Trading Game'.

Has a theory that the economy is basically fucked, living standards for all but the super rich will continue to fall, and that it's all driven by increasing levels of inequality, and as a result the competition between the super rich and the rest for common resources (Housing, Food, Political Influence, etc) with the Super Rich consuming more and more and at greater scale and as a result there being less left for the 'serfs' (well, middle class down...all about perspective I guess).

Anyway, in this video he talks about why Elon is aligning with Trump, the pushing of anti-immigration agendas by the Super Rich and why that makes so much sense alongside the actual continuation of high levels of immigration.

Thought might be an interesting one for the WHO politico to dissect:

I've posted up his video before, I think he speaks a lot of sense. I especially enjoyed his appearance on question time recently when he made the entire panel shit themselves by claiming they were all millionaires so their kids would be okay. Fiona Bruce nearly had a stroke.

His book is a decent read too.

Communism doesn’t work, there are plenty of examples throughout history that proves it.

This gentleman is from the London School of Economics. Look up the Fabian society to see who they are and what they are….. In short they are socialists.

So what he is saying is nothing new.

As for Elon Musk, man is a genius, he was once the darling of the left with his electric cars. That all changed after he purchased Twitter. However Musk has brought us Spacex and Nueralink too. He has done more good for mankind than any socialist, he is also not a materialist, in fact he is known as a minimalist, he sold
all of his homes and rents his current home. Some would argue this makes him a poor exmple.

As for the media it is obvious that the media bias is to the left with the odd exception, any one arguing otherwise is a fool.

As for allowing the influx of immigration I can see why he would argue that with the Conservative Party in the UK but in no way can you square that to Trump. To do so is ridiculous, It was Biden who allowed mass immigration. Again a major flaw in his argument.
Personally I blame the Globalists! I think we can all agree that is not Trump.

As for the wealth gap growing between the rich and the middle class, blame the Central planners (central banks).
It is their policy of Quantitative easing and zero interest rate program (ZIRP) and Negative Interest rate Program (NIRP) programmes that have inflated asset prices, (real estate and stock prices) that have widened the divide.

Trump is at least doing something about it. It was the corporations who gutted communities by outsourcing US manufacturing jobs for slave labour, lining the pockets of the executives at the expense of the middle class. This is also a contributing factor for the divide. Bringing jobs back even at the expense of corporate profits is the right thing to do for main st. 

To say it is just taxation that is to blame is incorrect. It is a number of things, that include Fiscal policy, Monetary policy and Gov’t policy.

What is the solution, it’s all of the above, taxing the rich more is just one solution. Corporations across the globe play the same game as they are all beholden to their shareholders, usually at the expense of their workers, one way to fix this is to give the workers more rights through unions. Although remember these are also the Job providers so that has to be taken into consideration.

The biggest culprits are the Bankers and the Globalists. It ain’t fucking Elon Musk.

[goose]

Been watching a bit of this guy this week...Multi-Millionaire Trader from Ilford turned Inequality Crusader, Gary Stevenson.  Wrote best seller 'The Trading Game'.

Has a theory that the economy is basically fucked, living standards for all but the super rich will continue to fall, and that it's all driven by increasing levels of inequality, and as a result the competition between the super rich and the rest for common resources (Housing, Food, Political Influence, etc) with the Super Rich consuming more and more and at greater scale and as a result there being less left for the 'serfs' (well, middle class down...all about perspective I guess).

Anyway, in this video he talks about why Elon is aligning with Trump, the pushing of anti-immigration agendas by the Super Rich and why that makes so much sense alongside the actual continuation of high levels of immigration.

Thought might be an interesting one for the WHO politico to dissect:

I've posted up his video before, I think he speaks a lot of sense. I especially enjoyed his appearance on question time recently when he made the entire panel shit themselves by claiming they were all millionaires so their kids would be okay. Fiona Bruce nearly had a stroke.

His book is a decent read too.

[stubbo]

Been watching a bit of this guy this week...Multi-Millionaire Trader from Ilford turned Inequality Crusader, Gary Stevenson.  Wrote best seller 'The Trading Game'.

Has a theory that the economy is basically fucked, living standards for all but the super rich will continue to fall, and that it's all driven by increasing levels of inequality, and as a result the competition between the super rich and the rest for common resources (Housing, Food, Political Influence, etc) with the Super Rich consuming more and more and at greater scale and as a result there being less left for the 'serfs' (well, middle class down...all about perspective I guess).

Anyway, in this video he talks about why Elon is aligning with Trump, the pushing of anti-immigration agendas by the Super Rich and why that makes so much sense alongside the actual continuation of high levels of immigration.

Thought might be an interesting one for the WHO politico to dissect:

[Mr Anon]

Semiconductors we’ve spoken about, you won’t be taking manufacturing from China or Taiwan etc etc.

Cars they already manufacture.

Ships, how many ships do you think the US builds a year? Last year it built 10 military ships and 5 commercial ships.
China built over 1,000.

And that’s all about to change silly nuts!

 

A few US cars that will sell in the UK

Ford Mustang and F150 pick up truck.
Chevy Camaro and the Silverado pick up truck, Corvette.

Dodge Ram pick up, Charger

 Cadillac Escalade, CT 5.

Tesla of course.


There’s plenty more.

so incredibly wrong, why would any buy them over superior European equivalents, only Tesla would do ok but Elon has made even that a hard sell nowdays

[,]

Nutsin puts me in mind of The Black Knight featured in The Holy Grail.

[Hello Mrs. Jones]

Love the Goose v. Nutsin verbal match. Goose wins by a ko. 

[Nutsin]

For those that are interested. A link detailing the trade deal between US and UK.


https://www.dtnpf.com/agriculture/web/a ... ners-us-uk

[Nutsin]

You sure that’s the only way Goose?

[goose]

Oh I’m sure the US auto makers can make any adjustments necessary.

Please excuse my cynicism on your forecasts but you’ve been dead wrong on everything, what makes you think you have any credibility?


Poor Goose, just stacking up losses. We’re gonna have to rename you Potter soon.

Adjustments???  
just adjust them from left hand drive to right hand?  

you have no clue how these things are manufactured.

I’m sure they’ll figure it out Goose.

So you wanna take a car which is more expensive to make, add complexity into the manufacturing process to make it even more expensive, and then ship it across the Atlantic and make it even more expensive?

yeh that’ll work.

[Nutsin]

He talked about it post Brexit but never followed it through.
Theres a reason Tesla use Germany (location & cost). They’re not changing that and neither are you.

Not to mention the fact that American produced cars don’t meet U.K. safety standards so your essentially needing an entire new plant to make U.K. ready cars.

Oh I’m sure the US auto makers can make any adjustments necessary.

Please excuse my cynicism on your forecasts but you’ve been dead wrong on everything, what makes you think you have any credibility?


Poor Goose, just stacking up losses. We’re gonna have to rename you Potter soon.

Adjustments???  
just adjust them from left hand drive to right hand?  

you have no clue how these things are manufactured.

I’m sure they’ll figure it out Goose.

[goose]

Who knows maybe Elon will open a plant in the UK now we have our new trade agreement.
However I’d like to know how you know exactly what Tesla’s plans are for future production for the UK consumer?

Are you making shit up again?

He talked about it post Brexit but never followed it through.
Theres a reason Tesla use Germany (location & cost). They’re not changing that and neither are you.

Not to mention the fact that American produced cars don’t meet U.K. safety standards so your essentially needing an entire new plant to make U.K. ready cars.

Oh I’m sure the US auto makers can make any adjustments necessary.

Please excuse my cynicism on your forecasts but you’ve been dead wrong on everything, what makes you think you have any credibility?


Poor Goose, just stacking up losses. We’re gonna have to rename you Potter soon.

Adjustments???  
just adjust them from left hand drive to right hand?  

you have no clue how these things are manufactured.