Iran v Israel

[Collins Wong - A Free Man]

Israel struck Iran last night.

Iran hit back tonight.

Israel is bombing Iran now. 

Hope Iran wins, tbh. No more wars for Israel. 

[Mike Oxsaw]

"I asked YOU what they need to do to stop the violence."

Stop indiscriminately bombing Gaza, unless they have an ambitious target of civilian deaths they want to try and get to (currently in excess of 50,000). 

Violence is allowed by Israel, in defending itself. What it has been doing, goes way beyond self defence, more like a revnge killing spree.

 

That might be an outcome you want, but there's no historical proof that will actually happen.

How about Hamas operatives stop using civilians as human shields. Do you think that will work?

How about the population of Gaza give up all Hamas operatives to Israel and release the remaining hostages? Do you think that will work?

How about if Iran formally accepts the state of Israel and it's right to peacefully exist, rather than demanding it's eradication from the earth, and in addition issues unconditional fatwa's on any who disrespect Iran's choice and keep attacking Israel. Do you think that will work?

[Westside]

"I asked YOU what they need to do to stop the violence."

Stop indiscriminately bombing Gaza, unless they have an ambitious target of civilian deaths they want to try and get to (currently in excess of 50,000). 

Violence is allowed by Israel, in defending itself. What it has been doing, goes way beyond self defence, more like a revnge killing spree.
 

[Mike Oxsaw]

"So, how, exactly, do they achieve that, and how will that prevent attacks by Iran and it's proxies from continuing in the meantime?"

I'm sure they could find a way, although I doubt the pager routine will work again.

I didn't enquire about your confidence level of them finding a solution. I asked YOU what they need to do to stop the violence.

Let's please not drag this debate down to 6th form level "politics" and, instead, look for a practical solution that has a chance of success.

[Westside]

"So, how, exactly, do they achieve that, and how will that prevent attacks by Iran and it's proxies from continuing in the meantime?"

I'm sure they could find a way, although I doubt the pager routine will work again.

[Mike Oxsaw]

No.

Mind you, Israel seem a bit pre occupied with wiping Gazza, off the face of the earth. They could easily take out their enemies, like with the pager attack on Hezbollah, without tens of thousands of deaths in collateral damege. Even going back to the 70's, they took targeted revenge, on the members of Black September, they deemed responsible for the Munich Olympics massacre, with very minor disruption, to others.

So, how do you suggest they do that in the 21st century while preventing further attacks against themselves?

Do you actually believe Iran will let Hamas stop attacking Israel should the people of Gaza (try/offer to) take part in negotiating a potential peace deal with their neighbours?

Or are you of the belief that Israel should continue to accept yet more terrorism on it's land and against it's people "While we see which way the talks go"?

"So, how do you suggest they do that in the 21st century while preventing further attacks against themselves?"

By targeted attacks by special forces and Mossad, as I described earlier, rather than carpet bombing an entire area.

So, how, exactly, do they achieve that, and how will that prevent attacks by Iran and it's proxies from continuing in the meantime?

[Lee Trundle]

'ark at the Ayatollah Westside.

[Westside]

Do you think that it's Israel's turn to be wiped off the face of the earth?

No.

Mind you, Israel seem a bit pre occupied with wiping Gazza, off the face of the earth. They could easily take out their enemies, like with the pager attack on Hezbollah, without tens of thousands of deaths in collateral damege. Even going back to the 70's, they took targeted revenge, on the members of Black September, they deemed responsible for the Munich Olympics massacre, with very minor disruption, to others.

So, how do you suggest they do that in the 21st century while preventing further attacks against themselves?

Do you actually believe Iran will let Hamas stop attacking Israel should the people of Gaza (try/offer to) take part in negotiating a potential peace deal with their neighbours?

Or are you of the belief that Israel should continue to accept yet more terrorism on it's land and against it's people "While we see which way the talks go"?

"So, how do you suggest they do that in the 21st century while preventing further attacks against themselves?"

By targeted attacks by special forces and Mossad, as I described earlier, rather than carpet bombing an entire area.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Do you think that it's Israel's turn to be wiped off the face of the earth?

No.

Mind you, Israel seem a bit pre occupied with wiping Gazza, off the face of the earth. They could easily take out their enemies, like with the pager attack on Hezbollah, without tens of thousands of deaths in collateral damege. Even going back to the 70's, they took targeted revenge, on the members of Black September, they deemed responsible for the Munich Olympics massacre, with very minor disruption, to others.

So, how do you suggest they do that in the 21st century while preventing further attacks against themselves?

Do you actually believe Iran will let Hamas stop attacking Israel should the people of Gaza (try/offer to) take part in negotiating a potential peace deal with their neighbours?

Or are you of the belief that Israel should continue to accept yet more terrorism on it's land and against it's people "While we see which way the talks go"?

[ironsofcanada]

 They could easily take out their enemies, 

 

 

 

Yes dealing with an enemy that has for decades embedded itself into your population and international organizations (with tacit support from those organizations) and every level of social and governmental infrastructure is the exact same as dealing with external enemies.

Oh wait...

[Gank]

Do you think that it's Israel's turn to be wiped off the face of the earth?

No.

Mind you, Israel seem a bit pre occupied with wiping Gazza, off the face of the earth. 

Gazza? The man is a Tottenham icon, the Jews love him!

[Westside]

Do you think that it's Israel's turn to be wiped off the face of the earth?

No.

Mind you, Israel seem a bit pre occupied with wiping Gazza, off the face of the earth. They could easily take out their enemies, like with the pager attack on Hezbollah, without tens of thousands of deaths in collateral damege. Even going back to the 70's, they took targeted revenge, on the members of Black September, they deemed responsible for the Munich Olympics massacre, with very minor disruption, to others.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Don't forget that MAD - mutually assured destruction - which acts as a deterrent from (first use) nuclear strikes for the current nuclear powers holds no such restraint for a state like Iran.

They would accept the obliteration of (current day)  Iran as an acceptable price to pay for the obliteration of Israel as Allah would ensure that they once again rise to dominance once the dust settles.

[zebthecat]

Israel came very close to launching nuclear missiles against Iraq in the first Gulf War after Iraq bombarded Tel Aviv and other place, They Israalis had to be dissuaded by George Bush in return for Patriot anti-missile missiles and gurantess that the coalition special forces would go after Iraq's SCUD launchers.
I worked in the MoD Procurement Executive at the time and it was certialy interesting.

[Massive Attack]

With regard to Iran's potential to develop nuclear weapons and it's attitude towards Israel, is "Let's just wait and see what happens," a sensible, adult, intelligent and responsible stance to take?

You're overreacting like the Israelis are when it comes to just a little old Nuclear bomb and constant real threats to eradicate all of Israel and it's people. 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Do you think that it's Israel's turn to be wiped off the face of the earth?

[Westside]

Israel on other hand has had nukes for approximately 50 years and never threatened to use them and have them as a deterrent 

They were on the verge of using them in the 1973 war, as they were on the brink of being over run, by their Arab enemies. Israel's nuclear strike planes and missiles were put on alert by Golda Meir. Fortunately, the Arab nations got carried away and outran their SAM and ATGW shields, enable Israel to lauanch effective non nuclear counter offensives.

And who are Israel deterring, if you are so sure Iran would use nukes?

[XKhammer]

It is widely accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons (although never confirmed by Israel). So why shouldn't Iran have them?

Because Iran has promised to wipe Israel off the map and would definitely use it as the regime is completely nuts
Israel on other hand has had nukes for approximately 50 years and never threatened to use them and have them as a deterrent 

[Westside]

It is widely accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons (although never confirmed by Israel). So why shouldn't Iran have them?

[Mike Oxsaw]

With regard to Iran's potential to develop nuclear weapons and it's attitude towards Israel, is "Let's just wait and see what happens," a sensible, adult, intelligent and responsible stance to take?

[Massive Attack]

I find it ironic that those on the far-left denouncing Israel as war mongers and aggressors for these TARGETED strikes by saying Iran has the right to defend itself and is the "victim" blah blah blah, don't say a dicky bird about Iran responding by firing indiscriminately into Israel or targeting areas of high civilian population?

Also, that these Ayatollahs should they have their way would target and get rid of any purple haired, pronoun wearing, rainbow flag waiving, LGBTQI, DEI supporter and they would really find out the meaning of "victim" or of being discriminated against 

Don't worry, the Egyptians are currently giving all the do-gooders a proper hiding for encouraging and facilitating the agitators of hate in the region by attempting to 'march to Gaza', whatever that means..

Irony at it's best.

[Massive Attack]

The Middle East is never ending saga.

All propped up and inspired by the Religion of Peace....

Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Pakistan, Saudis, Afghanistan, they're all Islamic obsessed destructive shitholes. Level the fucking lot, if I had it my way.

[Collins Wong - A Free Man]

so did the French, the real dangerous stuff like Exocet missiles etc... I surmise the Yanks would have supplied a lot weaponry, they more or less financed the military regimes.

 

Exactly, contracts are signed, weapons supplied, us Brits have supplied to some pretty dodgy regimes over the years as well lets not forget! And as soon as the conflict broke out most of those contracts would have been paused if from allies of the UK but pretty hard to stop the use of weapons already there or en route.

These Ayatollahs are a different ball game though, should they develop a nuclear weapons they will hold the middle east if not the world to ransom and seeing their love of a suicide bombing and the glory that brings their stone age version of Islam, they will have no hesitation in using them should push come to shove i would bet? So as said in an earlier post the West needs to back Israel to the hilt and ensure they destroy any capability Iran may be developing, not bring up petty arguments for supporting the Ayatollahs in any way, only a cսnt would support them

Two spastics:

"While France was a strong ally of the UK during the Falklands War and imposed an arms embargo on Argentina once the conflict began, the situation is more nuanced than a simple "no."Here's a breakdown:

• Pre-War Sales: France had sold a number of weapons systems to Argentina before the Falklands War broke out, most notably Super Étendard aircraft and Exocet anti-ship missiles. These were critical to Argentina's capabilities during the conflict, and Exocet missiles were famously used to sink HMS Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor.
• Embargo and Support for the UK: Once Argentina invaded the Falklands, France quickly imposed an arms embargo, ceasing all official military sales and support to Argentina. Furthermore, France provided significant support to the UK, including:
  • Allowing British forces to use French port facilities in West Africa.
  • Providing intelligence and detailed information about the French-made weapons and aircraft that Argentina possessed. This was crucial for the Royal Navy to develop countermeasures.
  • Cooperating with British efforts to prevent Argentina from acquiring more Exocet missiles on the international arms market.
  • Even providing Mirages for the Royal Navy's Harrier pilots to practice against, simulating Argentine aircraft."

[Sydney_Iron]

so did the French, the real dangerous stuff like Exocet missiles etc... I surmise the Yanks would have supplied a lot weaponry, they more or less financed the military regimes.

 

Exactly, contracts are signed, weapons supplied, us Brits have supplied to some pretty dodgy regimes over the years as well lets not forget! And as soon as the conflict broke out most of those contracts would have been paused if from allies of the UK but pretty hard to stop the use of weapons already there or en route.

These Ayatollahs are a different ball game though, should they develop a nuclear weapons they will hold the middle east if not the world to ransom and seeing their love of a suicide bombing and the glory that brings their stone age version of Islam, they will have no hesitation in using them should push come to shove i would bet? So as said in an earlier post the West needs to back Israel to the hilt and ensure they destroy any capability Iran may be developing, not bring up petty arguments for supporting the Ayatollahs in any way, only a cսnt would support them

[OK_Guy]

Israel delivered weapons to Argentina at the height of the Falklands war, weapons that were used to kill British servicemen.

Not our ally.

Not our friend.

Vermin.

so did the French, the real dangerous stuff like Exocet missiles etc... I surmise the Yanks would have supplied a lot weaponry, they more or less financed the military regimes.

[Collins Wong - A Free Man]

Israel delivered weapons to Argentina at the height of the Falklands war, weapons that were used to kill British servicemen.

Not our ally.

Not our friend.

Vermin.