Iran v Israel

[Collins Wong - A Free Man]

Israel struck Iran last night.

Iran hit back tonight.

Israel is bombing Iran now. 

Hope Iran wins, tbh. No more wars for Israel. 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Do you think that it's Israel's turn to be wiped off the face of the earth?

No.

Mind you, Israel seem a bit pre occupied with wiping Gazza, off the face of the earth. They could easily take out their enemies, like with the pager attack on Hezbollah, without tens of thousands of deaths in collateral damege. Even going back to the 70's, they took targeted revenge, on the members of Black September, they deemed responsible for the Munich Olympics massacre, with very minor disruption, to others.

So, how do you suggest they do that in the 21st century while preventing further attacks against themselves?

Do you actually believe Iran will let Hamas stop attacking Israel should the people of Gaza (try/offer to) take part in negotiating a potential peace deal with their neighbours?

Or are you of the belief that Israel should continue to accept yet more terrorism on it's land and against it's people "While we see which way the talks go"?

[ironsofcanada]

 They could easily take out their enemies, 

 

 

 

Yes dealing with an enemy that has for decades embedded itself into your population and international organizations (with tacit support from those organizations) and every level of social and governmental infrastructure is the exact same as dealing with external enemies.

Oh wait...

[Gank]

Do you think that it's Israel's turn to be wiped off the face of the earth?

No.

Mind you, Israel seem a bit pre occupied with wiping Gazza, off the face of the earth. 

Gazza? The man is a Tottenham icon, the Jews love him!

[Westside]

Do you think that it's Israel's turn to be wiped off the face of the earth?

No.

Mind you, Israel seem a bit pre occupied with wiping Gazza, off the face of the earth. They could easily take out their enemies, like with the pager attack on Hezbollah, without tens of thousands of deaths in collateral damege. Even going back to the 70's, they took targeted revenge, on the members of Black September, they deemed responsible for the Munich Olympics massacre, with very minor disruption, to others.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Don't forget that MAD - mutually assured destruction - which acts as a deterrent from (first use) nuclear strikes for the current nuclear powers holds no such restraint for a state like Iran.

They would accept the obliteration of (current day)  Iran as an acceptable price to pay for the obliteration of Israel as Allah would ensure that they once again rise to dominance once the dust settles.

[zebthecat]

Israel came very close to launching nuclear missiles against Iraq in the first Gulf War after Iraq bombarded Tel Aviv and other place, They Israalis had to be dissuaded by George Bush in return for Patriot anti-missile missiles and gurantess that the coalition special forces would go after Iraq's SCUD launchers.
I worked in the MoD Procurement Executive at the time and it was certialy interesting.

[Massive Attack]

With regard to Iran's potential to develop nuclear weapons and it's attitude towards Israel, is "Let's just wait and see what happens," a sensible, adult, intelligent and responsible stance to take?

You're overreacting like the Israelis are when it comes to just a little old Nuclear bomb and constant real threats to eradicate all of Israel and it's people. 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Do you think that it's Israel's turn to be wiped off the face of the earth?

[Westside]

Israel on other hand has had nukes for approximately 50 years and never threatened to use them and have them as a deterrent 

They were on the verge of using them in the 1973 war, as they were on the brink of being over run, by their Arab enemies. Israel's nuclear strike planes and missiles were put on alert by Golda Meir. Fortunately, the Arab nations got carried away and outran their SAM and ATGW shields, enable Israel to lauanch effective non nuclear counter offensives.

And who are Israel deterring, if you are so sure Iran would use nukes?

[XKhammer]

It is widely accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons (although never confirmed by Israel). So why shouldn't Iran have them?

Because Iran has promised to wipe Israel off the map and would definitely use it as the regime is completely nuts
Israel on other hand has had nukes for approximately 50 years and never threatened to use them and have them as a deterrent 

[Westside]

It is widely accepted that Israel has nuclear weapons (although never confirmed by Israel). So why shouldn't Iran have them?

[Mike Oxsaw]

With regard to Iran's potential to develop nuclear weapons and it's attitude towards Israel, is "Let's just wait and see what happens," a sensible, adult, intelligent and responsible stance to take?

[Massive Attack]

I find it ironic that those on the far-left denouncing Israel as war mongers and aggressors for these TARGETED strikes by saying Iran has the right to defend itself and is the "victim" blah blah blah, don't say a dicky bird about Iran responding by firing indiscriminately into Israel or targeting areas of high civilian population?

Also, that these Ayatollahs should they have their way would target and get rid of any purple haired, pronoun wearing, rainbow flag waiving, LGBTQI, DEI supporter and they would really find out the meaning of "victim" or of being discriminated against 

Don't worry, the Egyptians are currently giving all the do-gooders a proper hiding for encouraging and facilitating the agitators of hate in the region by attempting to 'march to Gaza', whatever that means..

Irony at it's best.

[Massive Attack]

The Middle East is never ending saga.

All propped up and inspired by the Religion of Peace....

Iran, Iraq, Palestine, Pakistan, Saudis, Afghanistan, they're all Islamic obsessed destructive shitholes. Level the fucking lot, if I had it my way.

[Collins Wong - A Free Man]

so did the French, the real dangerous stuff like Exocet missiles etc... I surmise the Yanks would have supplied a lot weaponry, they more or less financed the military regimes.

 

Exactly, contracts are signed, weapons supplied, us Brits have supplied to some pretty dodgy regimes over the years as well lets not forget! And as soon as the conflict broke out most of those contracts would have been paused if from allies of the UK but pretty hard to stop the use of weapons already there or en route.

These Ayatollahs are a different ball game though, should they develop a nuclear weapons they will hold the middle east if not the world to ransom and seeing their love of a suicide bombing and the glory that brings their stone age version of Islam, they will have no hesitation in using them should push come to shove i would bet? So as said in an earlier post the West needs to back Israel to the hilt and ensure they destroy any capability Iran may be developing, not bring up petty arguments for supporting the Ayatollahs in any way, only a cսnt would support them

Two spastics:

"While France was a strong ally of the UK during the Falklands War and imposed an arms embargo on Argentina once the conflict began, the situation is more nuanced than a simple "no."Here's a breakdown:

• Pre-War Sales: France had sold a number of weapons systems to Argentina before the Falklands War broke out, most notably Super Étendard aircraft and Exocet anti-ship missiles. These were critical to Argentina's capabilities during the conflict, and Exocet missiles were famously used to sink HMS Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor.
• Embargo and Support for the UK: Once Argentina invaded the Falklands, France quickly imposed an arms embargo, ceasing all official military sales and support to Argentina. Furthermore, France provided significant support to the UK, including:
  • Allowing British forces to use French port facilities in West Africa.
  • Providing intelligence and detailed information about the French-made weapons and aircraft that Argentina possessed. This was crucial for the Royal Navy to develop countermeasures.
  • Cooperating with British efforts to prevent Argentina from acquiring more Exocet missiles on the international arms market.
  • Even providing Mirages for the Royal Navy's Harrier pilots to practice against, simulating Argentine aircraft."

[Sydney_Iron]

so did the French, the real dangerous stuff like Exocet missiles etc... I surmise the Yanks would have supplied a lot weaponry, they more or less financed the military regimes.

 

Exactly, contracts are signed, weapons supplied, us Brits have supplied to some pretty dodgy regimes over the years as well lets not forget! And as soon as the conflict broke out most of those contracts would have been paused if from allies of the UK but pretty hard to stop the use of weapons already there or en route.

These Ayatollahs are a different ball game though, should they develop a nuclear weapons they will hold the middle east if not the world to ransom and seeing their love of a suicide bombing and the glory that brings their stone age version of Islam, they will have no hesitation in using them should push come to shove i would bet? So as said in an earlier post the West needs to back Israel to the hilt and ensure they destroy any capability Iran may be developing, not bring up petty arguments for supporting the Ayatollahs in any way, only a cսnt would support them

[OK_Guy]

Israel delivered weapons to Argentina at the height of the Falklands war, weapons that were used to kill British servicemen.

Not our ally.

Not our friend.

Vermin.

so did the French, the real dangerous stuff like Exocet missiles etc... I surmise the Yanks would have supplied a lot weaponry, they more or less financed the military regimes.

[Collins Wong - A Free Man]

Israel delivered weapons to Argentina at the height of the Falklands war, weapons that were used to kill British servicemen.

Not our ally.

Not our friend.

Vermin.

[Collins Wong - A Free Man]

Iran starts lobbing ordnance at Israel means less weaponry to send to Russia.

Wind the fuckers up as much as possible.

Russia has been making their own version (Geran') of the Iranian suicide drones (Shaheds) for 2+ years now. 

This won't affect the Russians.

[Sydney_Iron]

I find it ironic that those on the far-left denouncing Israel as war mongers and aggressors for these TARGETED strikes by saying Iran has the right to defend itself and is the "victim" blah blah blah, don't say a dicky bird about Iran responding by firing indiscriminately into Israel or targeting areas of high civilian population?

Also, that these Ayatollahs should they have their way would target and get rid of any purple haired, pronoun wearing, rainbow flag waiving, LGBTQI, DEI supporter and they would really find out the meaning of "victim" or of being discriminated against 

[nychammer]

We need a pincer movement of Israel doing the dirty work, being the regional military counter, and the US and Europe piling on the sanctions. Ultimately it wont change until the current regime is removed because they are bent on getting Nukes, although who knows what the resulting power vacuum would bring. The Middle East is never ending saga.

[RootsRadical]

Anyone supporting Iran in the West is either pro Iranian regime or just a wrongun!
Israel has superior strength and will / should win a war with Iran.
They planned this attack for years. Mossad and special ops have been operating inside Iran preparing for this.
They already took out Iran's air defences a few months ago during the last wave of attacks.
iran is weak.
They would have weighed up the risks and would be confident otherwise they wouldn't have gone ahead.
Iran will be rocked by the damage done to their nuclear prigram, their leadership and military infrastructure.
Israel had little choice as Iran was very close to getting nuclear weapons which would threaten the future of Israel & change the balance of power in the region.
 

[Tomshardware]

DateMatchResultScoreCompetition

26 May 1958	Israel v Iran	L	4-0	Asian Games
05 Dec 1959	Iran v Israel	W	3-0	AFC Asian Cup
12 Dec 1959	Israel v Iran	D	1-1	AFC Asian Cup
19 May 1968	Iran v Israel	W	2-1	AFC Asian Cup
15 Sep 1974	Iran v Israel	W	1-0

[nychammer]

The largest socioethnic groups in the region are Egyptians,[sup][3][/sup] Arabs, Turks, Persians, Kurds, and Azerbaijanis

the Persians are the Liverpool of the middle East.

wait, did you leave anyone out?

[ragingbull]

Qualifying rounds for World War 3

No VAR (what is it good for?) as the home nation is not in the top division.

The Yanks are in charge of VAR at Langley Park,the Iranians are disputing the last Israeli strike was offside by a nose.