AFFILIATE SEARCH | Shop Amazon.co.uk using this search bar and support WHO!
Sullivan out!
-
Jaan Kenbrovin
- Posts: 1022
- Old WHO Number: 269499
- Has liked: 37 times
- Been liked: 201 times
-
Massive Attack
- Posts: 3354
- Old WHO Number: 321955
- Has liked: 1813 times
- Been liked: 885 times
Re: Sullivan out!
Gold was 86 when he finally popped his clogs, Sullivan's 76. I reckon we've got at least another 10 years of him running the Club, probably more like 15 years knowing our luck.
-
Pshyco scored all 4
- Posts: 193
- Has liked: 233 times
- Been liked: 69 times
Re: Sullivan out!
He's run out of money and allies . Yet there's still plenty of our fanbase that think his boys will takeover they won't . We're near the end . but the potless pervert will try and drag it out . purely out of spite . But tripp smith gold and kretinsky will pull the plug sooner rather than later. they all want out .
Re: Sullivan out!
Once more I am bemused by the ownership and their acolytes bollocks around transfers. Whetstone, under an "Exclusive: Sell on clause revealed" comes up with some fascinating maths around Sunderland's sale of Pierre Akwah.
We bought him for an undisclosed fee from Chelsea in 2021 and sold him on in January 2023, again undisclosed. He had a four and a half year deal.
What is in the public domain is the current deal, Sunderland to Saint- Etienne is around £5.14m so, at 35% around £1.785m would come to West Ham.
Whetstone maintains that Chelsea are due 35% of this sell on.
Why?
Do Chelsea have a twice removed sell on clause?
Surely they are only due the proceeds of the sale from us to Sunderland. Whilst this was undisclosed, was it also, coincidently £5.14m?
As the sale was in January 2023 surely we will have paid, if not all of Chelsea's 35% certainly 2 years out of the 4.5 year deal if the payments were spread (as they often are) would have been paid off by now.
Would this not reduce the amount due to Chelsea on final reckoning of the deal?
Whilst this is a relatively trivial sum and Whetstone's maths only lower expectations to around £1.17m net (in transfer fund terms £877,500 allowing 75% of sales proceeds as broadcast by this mouthpiece earlier) The reality is the numbers and principles do not appear to have much integrity.
I was a bit surprised the Whetstone did not go the whole hog and say that the entire 35% passed through our hands to Chelsea and have done with it, perpetuating the "we are skint" narrative.
A world Class board with World Class communication outlets taking us for a bunch of World Class Berks.
The circus needs to leave town.
We bought him for an undisclosed fee from Chelsea in 2021 and sold him on in January 2023, again undisclosed. He had a four and a half year deal.
What is in the public domain is the current deal, Sunderland to Saint- Etienne is around £5.14m so, at 35% around £1.785m would come to West Ham.
Whetstone maintains that Chelsea are due 35% of this sell on.
Why?
Do Chelsea have a twice removed sell on clause?
Surely they are only due the proceeds of the sale from us to Sunderland. Whilst this was undisclosed, was it also, coincidently £5.14m?
As the sale was in January 2023 surely we will have paid, if not all of Chelsea's 35% certainly 2 years out of the 4.5 year deal if the payments were spread (as they often are) would have been paid off by now.
Would this not reduce the amount due to Chelsea on final reckoning of the deal?
Whilst this is a relatively trivial sum and Whetstone's maths only lower expectations to around £1.17m net (in transfer fund terms £877,500 allowing 75% of sales proceeds as broadcast by this mouthpiece earlier) The reality is the numbers and principles do not appear to have much integrity.
I was a bit surprised the Whetstone did not go the whole hog and say that the entire 35% passed through our hands to Chelsea and have done with it, perpetuating the "we are skint" narrative.
A world Class board with World Class communication outlets taking us for a bunch of World Class Berks.
The circus needs to leave town.
-
John Drake
- Posts: 51
- Has liked: 2 times
- Been liked: 22 times
Re: Sullivan out!
Your theory is that Sullivan is attempting to show how valuable his stewardship of transfers has been?
I struggle to see how anyone could look at West Ham’s dreadful transfer record since he got involved and reach the conclusion that what is needed to get out of this mess is more of the same. Repeatedly paying over the odds for established players who flop and eventually sold at a loss. Aside from Rice the profit made from player sales over the years is one of the worst of any established Premier League club. He has overseen the assembly at not inconsiderable cost of an old, slow squad on a piecemeal basis without even the hint of a longer term strategy.
I struggle to see how anyone could look at West Ham’s dreadful transfer record since he got involved and reach the conclusion that what is needed to get out of this mess is more of the same. Repeatedly paying over the odds for established players who flop and eventually sold at a loss. Aside from Rice the profit made from player sales over the years is one of the worst of any established Premier League club. He has overseen the assembly at not inconsiderable cost of an old, slow squad on a piecemeal basis without even the hint of a longer term strategy.
-
Takashi Miike
- Posts: 3035
- Old WHO Number: 233644
- Has liked: 642 times
- Been liked: 945 times
Re: Sullivan out!
that'd be believable if he hadn't stuck by a certain manager that consistently depreciated the value of his players (rice, and bowen being rare anomalies). that little cսnt wants full control of everything. I follow other sports, in particular american, and the best club/franchise owners hire extremely professional people to do the front office jobs, and stay the fuck out of the way. we have the reverse scenario
Re: Sullivan out!
I heard a couple of years ago that Sullivan was outvoted by Kretinsky, the Gold family and the main minority shareholders to put a DOF in charge of transfers.
This was apparently 'sold' to Sullivan as the modern way forward if they were ever to be able to sell their shareholdings when a future billionaire opportunity occurs because new owners would want to see a systematic recruitment policy in place.
Sullivan didn't like it but had to accept it gracefully so, he kept some responsibilities. That became apparent when it was admitted that Steidten did the deals but was overruled on the choice of manager and some of the proposed player deals. Sullivan kept a tight control of money but eventually Steidten became portrayed as the bad boy of course. Was he so bad though?.
What we are seeing now is IMO, Sullivan reminding the board what happens when he gets replaced. The constant reminders that we're skint are not just messages for fans. They also remind the directors what happens when he is taken off transfers as he no doubt forecast.... .
This was apparently 'sold' to Sullivan as the modern way forward if they were ever to be able to sell their shareholdings when a future billionaire opportunity occurs because new owners would want to see a systematic recruitment policy in place.
Sullivan didn't like it but had to accept it gracefully so, he kept some responsibilities. That became apparent when it was admitted that Steidten did the deals but was overruled on the choice of manager and some of the proposed player deals. Sullivan kept a tight control of money but eventually Steidten became portrayed as the bad boy of course. Was he so bad though?.
What we are seeing now is IMO, Sullivan reminding the board what happens when he gets replaced. The constant reminders that we're skint are not just messages for fans. They also remind the directors what happens when he is taken off transfers as he no doubt forecast.... .
-
John Drake
- Posts: 51
- Has liked: 2 times
- Been liked: 22 times
Re: Sullivan out!
To paraphrase Mark Twain: “I don’t wish anyone dead, but there are some obituaries I look forward to reading with great pleasure.”
-
Maverick180180
- Posts: 401
- Has liked: 49 times
- Been liked: 100 times
Re: Sullivan out!
The world is full of murderers, rapists and nonces and yet whenever any of these pass away it makes not one difference to my life, but when Sullivan finally pegs it I’m genuinely going to celebrate
it’s a terrible thing to admit to
but the fact is, this odious little cսnt goes out of his way to ruin something I love in order to line his own pockets
he’s by no means the worst human being on the planet by a long way, but in terms of my life, he’s the fucking devil
it’s a terrible thing to admit to
but the fact is, this odious little cսnt goes out of his way to ruin something I love in order to line his own pockets
he’s by no means the worst human being on the planet by a long way, but in terms of my life, he’s the fucking devil
-
Fauxstralian
- Posts: 2675
- Old WHO Number: 321173
- Has liked: 42 times
- Been liked: 263 times
Re: Sullivan out!
Understand that unlike the pitiful Premier league UEFA will take selling hotels & the women’s team OUT of Chelsea’s figures which should jeopardise their Champions League status
That sounds like an open & shut case which should result in an immediate decision but there seems to be no movement
Like when Boehly during his due diligence on purchase flagged that they had discovered that payments have been made off the books by the previous regime to avoid FFP sanctions
Another open & shut case kicked into the long grass
That sounds like an open & shut case which should result in an immediate decision but there seems to be no movement
Like when Boehly during his due diligence on purchase flagged that they had discovered that payments have been made off the books by the previous regime to avoid FFP sanctions
Another open & shut case kicked into the long grass
-
stubbo-admin
- Posts: 956
- Old WHO Number: 12009
- Has liked: 226 times
- Been liked: 442 times
Re: Sullivan out!
If we really are 'skint'....who is that on. Certainly nothing to do with the fans. Only two people are responsible for that financial day to day running of the Club, and if the position is that the Club's management have engineered a position of near destitution, well they should be answerable.
Sullivan and Brady. Two self-proclaimed business geniuses. Taking notable sums out of the Club and leaving us potless if you believe their spin. Well where has the money gone? We've got sizeable revenues, tiny stadium and match day running costs, the 2nd highest attendance in the league and all the trappings if a Premier League club for over ten years, plus the recent history sale of a home grown player for 100m+!
If we have no money that is totally on Sullivan, Brady and their inept management for the Club. They should fuck off, and fuck off immediately. The position they've engineered should be seen as a colossal fucking embarrassment TO THEM. It's pure evidence that they have not a fucking clue what they're doing.
No forward planning. No squad management. We've got 'collectively' the ~4th wealthiest board in the whole league.
It's a shambles, and it's squarely on the door of those two parasites.
bsout.co.uk
Sullivan and Brady. Two self-proclaimed business geniuses. Taking notable sums out of the Club and leaving us potless if you believe their spin. Well where has the money gone? We've got sizeable revenues, tiny stadium and match day running costs, the 2nd highest attendance in the league and all the trappings if a Premier League club for over ten years, plus the recent history sale of a home grown player for 100m+!
If we have no money that is totally on Sullivan, Brady and their inept management for the Club. They should fuck off, and fuck off immediately. The position they've engineered should be seen as a colossal fucking embarrassment TO THEM. It's pure evidence that they have not a fucking clue what they're doing.
No forward planning. No squad management. We've got 'collectively' the ~4th wealthiest board in the whole league.
It's a shambles, and it's squarely on the door of those two parasites.
bsout.co.uk
-
Massive Attack
- Posts: 3354
- Old WHO Number: 321955
- Has liked: 1813 times
- Been liked: 885 times
Re: Sullivan out!
Like with most things Chelsea are allowed to get away with financially, aint they put a stop to that in future only AFTER Chelsea get away with it first?
The game is bent and geared towards those with all the money.
The game is bent and geared towards those with all the money.
-
John Drake
- Posts: 51
- Has liked: 2 times
- Been liked: 22 times
Re: Sullivan out!
PSR is definitely a convenient smokescreen for the Board to hide behind. It suits them as they can argue it is an external constraint to hide behind claiming that their hands are tied. I think you can forget all about PSR in the future now that Chelsea have driven a coach and horses through the rules by selling their women’s team to themselves. Expect others (Villa) to follow suit this year.
The real issue is cash flow which can be fixed by a capital injection form the owners. Board investment at West Ham over the last 5 years is streets behind competitor clubs like Villa and Newcastle and illustrates the true level of ambition of the owners.
The club has no strategy other than muddling along from year to year in the hope of preserving Premier League. There is no vision and no-one capable of making football decisions that recognise the changing nature of the big money game. Unless you have regular Champions League football the only hope of mounting a challenge is to top up revenues with profit on player sales. Apart from Rice, the record on player sales is a pitiful reflection of Sullivan’s ludicrous approach to player recruitment.
The real issue is cash flow which can be fixed by a capital injection form the owners. Board investment at West Ham over the last 5 years is streets behind competitor clubs like Villa and Newcastle and illustrates the true level of ambition of the owners.
The club has no strategy other than muddling along from year to year in the hope of preserving Premier League. There is no vision and no-one capable of making football decisions that recognise the changing nature of the big money game. Unless you have regular Champions League football the only hope of mounting a challenge is to top up revenues with profit on player sales. Apart from Rice, the record on player sales is a pitiful reflection of Sullivan’s ludicrous approach to player recruitment.
-
Massive Attack
- Posts: 3354
- Old WHO Number: 321955
- Has liked: 1813 times
- Been liked: 885 times
Re: Sullivan out!
We definitely aint skint, it's all part of the spin bollocks BS typically come up with. Like you say, we should be able to operate in the market with leeway in PSR before sales even have to happen, it's just part of a convenient smokescreen for BS to hide behind why they can't spend much. We shouldn't be scratching around looking for players on scraps and freebies.
-
GBHammer63
- Posts: 240
- Old WHO Number: 220787
- Has liked: 10 times
- Been liked: 26 times
Re: Sullivan out!
The club pleading poverty once again, fucking sickening, think how impoverished we’d be if we actually had to pay to upgrade or rebuild our stadium like every other club has to. Only our leeching cսnt owners could make us skint after the fucking deal they were given. They should be made to feel very nervous at every opportunity, the useless cunts should be exposed by the media and by the fans. Unfortunately the current customers at our stadium don’t have an ounce of the passion or pride we shared at UP so they’ll keep getting away with it. Can’t wait for the uprising, hopefully it’s not too late.
-
Fauxstralian
- Posts: 2675
- Old WHO Number: 321173
- Has liked: 42 times
- Been liked: 263 times
Re: Sullivan out!
Have seen all these social media posts of where each club sits in relation to how much FFP leeway they have
Chelsea seem to have the biggest amount & we were shown as having around £93m
Im guessing that means the amount of allowable losses up your sleeve
Maybe I’m wrong but reckon with the 4 players released we are knocking £300k to £400k off our weekly wages plus more with Antonio
Plus any purchases would see 20% of the cost written off each year
Yet we are being told we can’t buy without selling by the chief bullshitter Sullivan
The club is going nowhere (except maybe to the Championship) until he goes
Chelsea seem to have the biggest amount & we were shown as having around £93m
Im guessing that means the amount of allowable losses up your sleeve
Maybe I’m wrong but reckon with the 4 players released we are knocking £300k to £400k off our weekly wages plus more with Antonio
Plus any purchases would see 20% of the cost written off each year
Yet we are being told we can’t buy without selling by the chief bullshitter Sullivan
The club is going nowhere (except maybe to the Championship) until he goes
-
Takashi Miike
- Posts: 3035
- Old WHO Number: 233644
- Has liked: 642 times
- Been liked: 945 times
-
Massive Attack
- Posts: 3354
- Old WHO Number: 321955
- Has liked: 1813 times
- Been liked: 885 times
Re: Sullivan out!
Yep, he was on a hiding to nothing left hung out to dry with the incoming dross he had to work with. Just look at the shit he was given that season amd the age some of them were like Arbeloa, Fonte..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2 ... .C._season
How he got us to mid table in the first season in that Hell hole mess of a Stadium was almost a better achievement than the previous season.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2 ... .C._season
How he got us to mid table in the first season in that Hell hole mess of a Stadium was almost a better achievement than the previous season.
Re: Sullivan out!
Under no circumstances should we be skint unless
a) we are run with neolithic levels of incompetency
b) we are run by corrupt cunts
And somehow we are the club that continually ends up with a succession of boards that do this
a) we are run with neolithic levels of incompetency
b) we are run by corrupt cunts
And somehow we are the club that continually ends up with a succession of boards that do this
-
Takashi Miike
- Posts: 3035
- Old WHO Number: 233644
- Has liked: 642 times
- Been liked: 945 times
Re: Sullivan out!
they sabotaged slaven, giving him a load of fucking shit instead of proven quality. they don't like managers that unite the fan base
-
Massive Attack
- Posts: 3354
- Old WHO Number: 321955
- Has liked: 1813 times
- Been liked: 885 times
Re: Sullivan out!
Nah, it flopped under Bilic after we had to move in to a shocking unfit for purpose Athletics Stadium, even with Payet still here and were far too impatient for him to get to grips with it. Not to mention he was served up with utter "World Class" shite on the pitch like Nordtveit, Tore, Zaza, Calleri, Fletcher etc and was expected to work wonders with them! Even then he still got us to 11th in the League in it's 1st season there whilst also having to sell Payet midway through that season.
The Boleyn season was fantastic considering the pressure he was under to make it a special one in his debut season. That was as close to what I'd consider being The West Ham Way of approaching games in entertaining fashion and taking on all the big boys home and away. The move couldn't have come at a worse time which then fucked it all up.
Re: Sullivan out!
I think next season we could see a change. The apathy is slowly turning to anger. If it gets too uncomfortable for him, he’ll stay away. That’s the first step to seeing him gone. Credit to Spurs for what they are doing, but Levy has a much thicker skin than Sullivan, and they are a club on a different trajectory to us now, so the heat will be off him for a bit. Sullivan hates negative publicity, so anything that hurts his ego is a start.
-
Keep dreaming
- Posts: 1138
- Location: here and there, mostly here
- Old WHO Number: 225644
- Has liked: 372 times
- Been liked: 160 times
Re: Sullivan out!
Adsiron wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 10:00 The constant in all this is the pattern of Sullivan & Brady's business style. Whenever they try to honour the promise of "World class team in a world class stadium" they fail.
They sacked progressive Zola for top level 'experience' of Avram Grant who relegated us.
They sacked Grant to give us 4 seasons of Allardyce. That worked at a survival level but fans suffered.
Slaven Bilic came in to appease fans protests and it went well his first season. It flopped after we let Payet go cheaply.
Bilic was fired to be replaced by 'safe' Moyes who only just managed to keep us up..
Fans were rightly disgruntled with 6 months of Moyesball so 'winner' Pellegrini came in and was given a big budget. That was wasted and left us struggling financially once again.
The board re-appointed Moyes who was not really a WHU manager but he did win a trophy, kept us in PL and more importantly, worked with a tiny budget. The board saw that as success but needed a better scapegoat for our failures with signings. So in came the appointment of a DOF with a decent budget and a target to continue with European football..
Now, after the failures of Lopetegui (who our new DOF warned against) in came Sullivan's choice of Potter who continued to have a worse effect than Lopetegui.
And to cap it all we are back where the Sullivan & Brady reign started. Skint with bigger than ever losses. The Gold family want to sell and our Czech billionaire seems too busy elsewhere and also happy to sell. Investors must look at WHU and see a massive fan base but a cheap rental stadium unsuited for football. Sub-standard, training grounds and lurching from failure to failure and unable to make that step up into constant European challenges...
Sullivan & Brady need to go and take their failures off into retirement...
Very well summed up, and your final sentence the most important one.
Twenty years ago, fans would revolt. But today's fans couldn't give a shit apparently...
Twenty years ago, fans would revolt. But today's fans couldn't give a shit apparently...
Re: Sullivan out!
The constant in all this is the pattern of Sullivan & Brady's business style. Whenever they try to honour the promise of "World class team in a world class stadium" they fail.
They sacked progressive Zola for top level 'experience' of Avram Grant who relegated us.
They sacked Grant to give us 4 seasons of Allardyce. That worked at a survival level but fans suffered.
Slaven Bilic came in to appease fans protests and it went well his first season. It flopped after we let Payet go cheaply.
Bilic was fired to be replaced by 'safe' Moyes who only just managed to keep us up..
Fans were rightly disgruntled with 6 months of Moyesball so 'winner' Pellegrini came in and was given a big budget. That was wasted and left us struggling financially once again.
The board re-appointed Moyes who was not really a WHU manager but he did win a trophy, kept us in PL and more importantly, worked with a tiny budget. The board saw that as success but needed a better scapegoat for our failures with signings. So in came the appointment of a DOF with a decent budget and a target to continue with European football..
Now, after the failures of Lopetegui (who our new DOF warned against) in came Sullivan's choice of Potter who continued to have a worse effect than Lopetegui.
And to cap it all we are back where the Sullivan & Brady reign started. Skint with bigger than ever losses. The Gold family want to sell and our Czech billionaire seems too busy elsewhere and also happy to sell. Investors must look at WHU and see a massive fan base but a cheap rental stadium unsuited for football. Sub-standard, training grounds and lurching from failure to failure and unable to make that step up into constant European challenges...
Sullivan & Brady need to go and take their failures off into retirement...
They sacked progressive Zola for top level 'experience' of Avram Grant who relegated us.
They sacked Grant to give us 4 seasons of Allardyce. That worked at a survival level but fans suffered.
Slaven Bilic came in to appease fans protests and it went well his first season. It flopped after we let Payet go cheaply.
Bilic was fired to be replaced by 'safe' Moyes who only just managed to keep us up..
Fans were rightly disgruntled with 6 months of Moyesball so 'winner' Pellegrini came in and was given a big budget. That was wasted and left us struggling financially once again.
The board re-appointed Moyes who was not really a WHU manager but he did win a trophy, kept us in PL and more importantly, worked with a tiny budget. The board saw that as success but needed a better scapegoat for our failures with signings. So in came the appointment of a DOF with a decent budget and a target to continue with European football..
Now, after the failures of Lopetegui (who our new DOF warned against) in came Sullivan's choice of Potter who continued to have a worse effect than Lopetegui.
And to cap it all we are back where the Sullivan & Brady reign started. Skint with bigger than ever losses. The Gold family want to sell and our Czech billionaire seems too busy elsewhere and also happy to sell. Investors must look at WHU and see a massive fan base but a cheap rental stadium unsuited for football. Sub-standard, training grounds and lurching from failure to failure and unable to make that step up into constant European challenges...
Sullivan & Brady need to go and take their failures off into retirement...