The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Nutsin]

Poor Goose

[XKhammer]

I have never voted Labour and never will,and not exactly a fan of Two Keir,but be careful what you wish for as if he goes anytime soon you could end up with 4 years of Raynor or another Corbyn type 

[only1billybonds]

Reeves is in so far over her head that it's frightening to think of the amount of damage she could do. Sadly,at the moment,the only alternative in the Labour Party is to go further left.
Liam Halligan has it right, no one on that front bench has a clue about running an economy.

[Fauxstralian]

Presume Reeves was bawling her eyes out as Sir Keith had told her she has to stay as Chancellor 
Can you imagine the reaction if a male politician was seen WEEPING in the front row of the government benches?

[Massive Attack]

14% approval rating.



 

That means statistically most of his family even think he’s a useless cսnt.

His missus certainly thinks that going by recent alleged revelations..

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

14% approval rating.


 

That means statistically most of his family even think he’s a useless cսnt.

[Lee Trundle]

Making Reeve's cry.
14% approval rating.
Khan and Burnham controlling the power.

Two Tier on borrowed time?

[One Sunny Day]

Looks like she's been charged now. For all those playing the "whatabout" card, Labour, Conservatives, Lib Dems, would have at least suspended her from their party, by now. Can't find a dickens about Reform taking any action?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2llkjy732o

[Massive Attack]

The People are Revolting...


https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1EuXhpef5z/

 

The Great British public have had enough and am seeing more and more of this. 



*Actually this isn't so much about a Political issue 2nd thoughts but should probably have it's own thread where Citizens taking matters in to their own hands when dealing with those that hate our Country? Although Political decisions have led to things like this.

[goose]

Yes, absolutely, the price of petrol does have an impact on the cost of goods, that’s a fact!

I don’t think they’re all lying, I do think many are clueless and there are the once propagandists and opportunists.

We will see a temporary uptick nothing significant, but once the agreements are in place we will see a much more competitive market that will help keep prices in check. 

But the sky won’t fall and we won’t have to concern ourselves about Stagflation.

Can’t wait for you to pull a Cap Mong and disappear once the US economy takes off with the passing of the big beautiful bill, the new trade agreements and the reduction in illegal immigrant handouts.

5% move in the price of fuel would move the cost price by 0.1%. Nowhere near covering the tariff.

Im glad you’re so happy about adding $650bn to the deficit every year.

what happened to 90 deals in 90 days btw? Or is Trump gonna again?

For the sake of argument let’s assume your numbers are accurate.
WTI crude was as high as $110 per barrel under Biden as much as $80 per Barrell on Jan 13th 2025. Today it’s $65 per Barrell. That’s quite a bit more than a 5% move.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2516/wti-cr ... aily-chart


90 days isn’t up yet but even if it’s extended who cares? As long as we get a fair trade deal in place.

Personally I love that we have a President with the balls to tackle the big issues. About time someone stood up to China.

Price in January is irrelevant. Pre “liberation day” you’re talking 10% movement which won’t even break 0.2% cost price movement. 

Every major company in the US has told you the cost impact of tariffs, from Apple to Walmart to Target to Nike to Ford to Volvo to Delta airlines to Qualcomm to Proctor & Gamble to Best Buys to Macy’s……. All have downgraded profits guidance or refused to give guidance because of tariffs.

You have a president who has caused uncertainty and is desperate to increase your deficit by $650bn every year.

[Nutsin]

lol you think the petrol price of a truck has any material impact on the cost of goods? You keep reaching though, don’t stop.

So you think everybody is lying about prices going up because of tariffs and they’re just ripping you off?  Honestly they could call you up and walk you through it and you’d still refuse to listen.

enjoy the additional $650bn you’re adding to the deficit.

Yes, absolutely, the price of petrol does have an impact on the cost of goods, that’s a fact!

I don’t think they’re all lying, I do think many are clueless and there are the once propagandists and opportunists.

We will see a temporary uptick nothing significant, but once the agreements are in place we will see a much more competitive market that will help keep prices in check. 

But the sky won’t fall and we won’t have to concern ourselves about Stagflation.

Can’t wait for you to pull a Cap Mong and disappear once the US economy takes off with the passing of the big beautiful bill, the new trade agreements and the reduction in illegal immigrant handouts.

5% move in the price of fuel would move the cost price by 0.1%. Nowhere near covering the tariff.

Im glad you’re so happy about adding $650bn to the deficit every year.

what happened to 90 deals in 90 days btw? Or is Trump gonna again?

For the sake of argument let’s assume your numbers are accurate.
WTI crude was as high as $110 per barrel under Biden as much as $80 per Barrell on Jan 13th 2025. Today it’s $65 per Barrell. That’s quite a bit more than a 5% move.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2516/wti-cr ... aily-chart


90 days isn’t up yet but even if it’s extended who cares? As long as we get a fair trade deal in place.

Personally I love that we have a President with the balls to tackle the big issues. About time someone stood up to China.

[goose]

Listen to the CEO’s who wanna justify price hikes? Good one.

You do realize there are plenty of alternatives to Walmart and Target right? They’re not the only games in town.

US is a big country, we’re not talking UK here. To get these products from the ports to the store requires big rigs driving long distances the cost of Gasoline is a big factor in the cost of food. Lower oil prices absolutely affects the costs of goods. Once again you show your ignorance. Oil just hit a 4 year low.

Senate just passed the big beautiful bill, now it goes back to the house for a vote on the adjustments before it’s passed, which will happen pretty sharpish. Another big win for tax payers and a secure border and Trump of course.

Canada folded on their Digital tax of course. 

Aligator Alcitraz is a big win for the fight on crime.

So many wins in such a short period of time, gotta love how Trump is turning everything around one policy at a time. America is making a comeback and we will all be better for it.


MAGA!

lol you think the petrol price of a truck has any material impact on the cost of goods? You keep reaching though, don’t stop.

So you think everybody is lying about prices going up because of tariffs and they’re just ripping you off?  Honestly they could call you up and walk you through it and you’d still refuse to listen.

enjoy the additional $650bn you’re adding to the deficit.

Yes, absolutely, the price of petrol does have an impact on the cost of goods, that’s a fact!

I don’t think they’re all lying, I do think many are clueless and there are the once propagandists and opportunists.

We will see a temporary uptick nothing significant, but once the agreements are in place we will see a much more competitive market that will help keep prices in check. 

But the sky won’t fall and we won’t have to concern ourselves about Stagflation.

Can’t wait for you to pull a Cap Mong and disappear once the US economy takes off with the passing of the big beautiful bill, the new trade agreements and the reduction in illegal immigrant handouts.

5% move in the price of fuel would move the cost price by 0.1%. Nowhere near covering the tariff.

Im glad you’re so happy about adding $650bn to the deficit every year.

what happened to 90 deals in 90 days btw? Or is Trump gonna again?

[Nutsin]

You should probably tell the CEOs of Nike & Adidas who both said tariffs would mean price increases.

There’s no chance any energy savings will cover the increase in direct materials. Vast majority of products sold the raw materials are by far the biggest cost (cars, electronics, chemicals, consumer goods).

Walmart, Target, Nike, Adidas, all the car producers and the FED have said Q2 into Q3 this year you’ll start to see inflation hit the consumer. Input prices are up and that will flow through. You’ve seen inflation tick up in the last couple of months, groceries and electronics have already started to go up in price.

So either US companies pay, or the consumer pays. Take your pick.

Listen to the CEO’s who wanna justify price hikes? Good one.

You do realize there are plenty of alternatives to Walmart and Target right? They’re not the only games in town.

US is a big country, we’re not talking UK here. To get these products from the ports to the store requires big rigs driving long distances the cost of Gasoline is a big factor in the cost of food. Lower oil prices absolutely affects the costs of goods. Once again you show your ignorance. Oil just hit a 4 year low.

Senate just passed the big beautiful bill, now it goes back to the house for a vote on the adjustments before it’s passed, which will happen pretty sharpish. Another big win for tax payers and a secure border and Trump of course.

Canada folded on their Digital tax of course. 

Aligator Alcitraz is a big win for the fight on crime.

So many wins in such a short period of time, gotta love how Trump is turning everything around one policy at a time. America is making a comeback and we will all be better for it.


MAGA!

lol you think the petrol price of a truck has any material impact on the cost of goods? You keep reaching though, don’t stop.

So you think everybody is lying about prices going up because of tariffs and they’re just ripping you off?  Honestly they could call you up and walk you through it and you’d still refuse to listen.

enjoy the additional $650bn you’re adding to the deficit.

Yes, absolutely, the price of petrol does have an impact on the cost of goods, that’s a fact!

I don’t think they’re all lying, I do think many are clueless and there are the once propagandists and opportunists.

We will see a temporary uptick nothing significant, but once the agreements are in place we will see a much more competitive market that will help keep prices in check. 

But the sky won’t fall and we won’t have to concern ourselves about Stagflation.

Can’t wait for you to pull a Cap Mong and disappear once the US economy takes off with the passing of the big beautiful bill, the new trade agreements and the reduction in illegal immigrant handouts.

[goose]

Not the consumer, so far the manufacturers are paying it, now remember energy costs are way down so people are still better off than they were by a lot. Admit it you were expecting a much bigger increase in the CPI numbers. 


You need to familiarize yourself with yourself with Macro economics. Maybe then you’ll stop majoring in minors.

PS the price of Nike shoes has fuck all to do with Fed monetary policy or Gov’t fiscal policy.

You should probably tell the CEOs of Nike & Adidas who both said tariffs would mean price increases.

There’s no chance any energy savings will cover the increase in direct materials. Vast majority of products sold the raw materials are by far the biggest cost (cars, electronics, chemicals, consumer goods).

Walmart, Target, Nike, Adidas, all the car producers and the FED have said Q2 into Q3 this year you’ll start to see inflation hit the consumer. Input prices are up and that will flow through. You’ve seen inflation tick up in the last couple of months, groceries and electronics have already started to go up in price.

So either US companies pay, or the consumer pays. Take your pick.

Listen to the CEO’s who wanna justify price hikes? Good one.

You do realize there are plenty of alternatives to Walmart and Target right? They’re not the only games in town.

US is a big country, we’re not talking UK here. To get these products from the ports to the store requires big rigs driving long distances the cost of Gasoline is a big factor in the cost of food. Lower oil prices absolutely affects the costs of goods. Once again you show your ignorance. Oil just hit a 4 year low.

Senate just passed the big beautiful bill, now it goes back to the house for a vote on the adjustments before it’s passed, which will happen pretty sharpish. Another big win for tax payers and a secure border and Trump of course.

Canada folded on their Digital tax of course. 

Aligator Alcitraz is a big win for the fight on crime.

So many wins in such a short period of time, gotta love how Trump is turning everything around one policy at a time. America is making a comeback and we will all be better for it.


MAGA!

lol you think the petrol price of a truck has any material impact on the cost of goods? You keep reaching though, don’t stop.

So you think everybody is lying about prices going up because of tariffs and they’re just ripping you off?  Honestly they could call you up and walk you through it and you’d still refuse to listen.

enjoy the additional $650bn you’re adding to the deficit.

[Nutsin]

Who do you think is paying that money?

Not the consumer, so far the manufacturers are paying it, now remember energy costs are way down so people are still better off than they were by a lot. Admit it you were expecting a much bigger increase in the CPI numbers. 


You need to familiarize yourself with yourself with Macro economics. Maybe then you’ll stop majoring in minors.

PS the price of Nike shoes has fuck all to do with Fed monetary policy or Gov’t fiscal policy.

You should probably tell the CEOs of Nike & Adidas who both said tariffs would mean price increases.

There’s no chance any energy savings will cover the increase in direct materials. Vast majority of products sold the raw materials are by far the biggest cost (cars, electronics, chemicals, consumer goods).

Walmart, Target, Nike, Adidas, all the car producers and the FED have said Q2 into Q3 this year you’ll start to see inflation hit the consumer. Input prices are up and that will flow through. You’ve seen inflation tick up in the last couple of months, groceries and electronics have already started to go up in price.

So either US companies pay, or the consumer pays. Take your pick.

Listen to the CEO’s who wanna justify price hikes? Good one.

You do realize there are plenty of alternatives to Walmart and Target right? They’re not the only games in town.

US is a big country, we’re not talking UK here. To get these products from the ports to the store requires big rigs driving long distances the cost of Gasoline is a big factor in the cost of food. Lower oil prices absolutely affects the costs of goods. Once again you show your ignorance. Oil just hit a 4 year low.

Senate just passed the big beautiful bill, now it goes back to the house for a vote on the adjustments before it’s passed, which will happen pretty sharpish. Another big win for tax payers and a secure border and Trump of course.

Canada folded on their Digital tax of course. 

Aligator Alcitraz is a big win for the fight on crime.

So many wins in such a short period of time, gotta love how Trump is turning everything around one policy at a time. America is making a comeback and we will all be better for it.


MAGA!

[WHU(Exeter)]

I would definitely go for the Diadoras 

[goose]

Who do you think is paying that money?

Not the consumer, so far the manufacturers are paying it, now remember energy costs are way down so people are still better off than they were by a lot. Admit it you were expecting a much bigger increase in the CPI numbers. 


You need to familiarize yourself with yourself with Macro economics. Maybe then you’ll stop majoring in minors.

PS the price of Nike shoes has fuck all to do with Fed monetary policy or Gov’t fiscal policy.

BTW, 75% of goods imported into the United States are finished goods so have zero offset from energy.

[XKhammer]

Professor Sir Chris Whitty was responsible for government guidance that was believed to have triggered the spread of Covid into care homes, The Telegraph can disclose.The Chief Medical Officer has told the Covid Inquiry that he was “not closely involved” in decisions behind a scheme to discharge thousands of hospital patients into care homes at the start of the pandemic.However, government emails obtained by The Telegraph show that Sir Chris’s office signed off guidance for care homes in England, advising them that they could take patients from hospital who had not even been tested.Emails also reveal that Helen Whately, the former social care minister, warned colleagues that sending people with Covid into care homes “surely materially increases” the risks to residents.However, she signed the guidance off anyway after officials said that one of Sir Chris’s two deputies was “content with the advice”.The care homes guidance, published on April 2 2020, is considered one of the worst mistakes of the pandemic, and has been branded “irrational” by the High Court.Sir Chris and Ms Whately will face scrutiny over their part in the guidance during the Covid Inquiry, which opens its examination of care homes on Monday.Telegraph

I get the impression most of those who were hoodwinked by COVID are too embarrassed to talk about it now, BRANDED.

You still have idiots like joyo beating the facemask drum, but most people just want to brush it under the carpet and hope it all goes away.

 

 

Oh dear thicko tubby Trundle still going on about me having taken the advice to have covid jabs 5 years ago FFS!!!!!!
I couldn't give a cսnt wether you do or don't have covid jabs
Fucking conspiracy theorists are as mad as the woke LGBT freaks
Don't get on a boat/ship if you still think the earth is flat
or fly again if the planes are leaving chem trails to poison us......fucking moron 

[goose]

Not the consumer, so far the manufacturers are paying it, now remember energy costs are way down so people are still better off than they were by a lot. Admit it you were expecting a much bigger increase in the CPI numbers. 


You need to familiarize yourself with yourself with Macro economics. Maybe then you’ll stop majoring in minors.

PS the price of Nike shoes has fuck all to do with Fed monetary policy or Gov’t fiscal policy.

You should probably tell the CEOs of Nike & Adidas who both said tariffs would mean price increases.

There’s no chance any energy savings will cover the increase in direct materials. Vast majority of products sold the raw materials are by far the biggest cost (cars, electronics, chemicals, consumer goods).

Walmart, Target, Nike, Adidas, all the car producers and the FED have said Q2 into Q3 this year you’ll start to see inflation hit the consumer. Input prices are up and that will flow through. You’ve seen inflation tick up in the last couple of months, groceries and electronics have already started to go up in price.

So either US companies pay, or the consumer pays. Take your pick.

You seem to have gone completely off topic again. Your usual tactic. You seem to have learned it from H&P

Off topic by directly replying to Nutsin and answering his question?

right. 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Who do you think is paying that money?

Not the consumer, so far the manufacturers are paying it, now remember energy costs are way down so people are still better off than they were by a lot. Admit it you were expecting a much bigger increase in the CPI numbers. 


You need to familiarize yourself with yourself with Macro economics. Maybe then you’ll stop majoring in minors.

PS the price of Nike shoes has fuck all to do with Fed monetary policy or Gov’t fiscal policy.

You should probably tell the CEOs of Nike & Adidas who both said tariffs would mean price increases.

There’s no chance any energy savings will cover the increase in direct materials. Vast majority of products sold the raw materials are by far the biggest cost (cars, electronics, chemicals, consumer goods).

Walmart, Target, Nike, Adidas, all the car producers and the FED have said Q2 into Q3 this year you’ll start to see inflation hit the consumer. Input prices are up and that will flow through. You’ve seen inflation tick up in the last couple of months, groceries and electronics have already started to go up in price.

So either US companies pay, or the consumer pays. Take your pick.

You seem to have gone completely off topic again. Your usual tactic. You seem to have learned it from H&P

[goose]

Who do you think is paying that money?

Not the consumer, so far the manufacturers are paying it, now remember energy costs are way down so people are still better off than they were by a lot. Admit it you were expecting a much bigger increase in the CPI numbers. 


You need to familiarize yourself with yourself with Macro economics. Maybe then you’ll stop majoring in minors.

PS the price of Nike shoes has fuck all to do with Fed monetary policy or Gov’t fiscal policy.

You should probably tell the CEOs of Nike & Adidas who both said tariffs would mean price increases.

There’s no chance any energy savings will cover the increase in direct materials. Vast majority of products sold the raw materials are by far the biggest cost (cars, electronics, chemicals, consumer goods).

Walmart, Target, Nike, Adidas, all the car producers and the FED have said Q2 into Q3 this year you’ll start to see inflation hit the consumer. Input prices are up and that will flow through. You’ve seen inflation tick up in the last couple of months, groceries and electronics have already started to go up in price.

So either US companies pay, or the consumer pays. Take your pick.

[Nutsin]

Who do you think is paying that money?

Not the consumer, so far the manufacturers are paying it, now remember energy costs are way down so people are still better off than they were by a lot. Admit it you were expecting a much bigger increase in the CPI numbers. 


You need to familiarize yourself with yourself with Macro economics. Maybe then you’ll stop majoring in minors.

PS the price of Nike shoes has fuck all to do with Fed monetary policy or Gov’t fiscal policy.

[goose]

This was what you posted: 'European manufactured brands are already more expensive and US ones don’t exist.' Rowing back on it after you've been caught out doesn't change that.

And your post about European brands is nonsense. On one hand you concede they will be more competitive (Nike/Addidas are priced out) and on the other hand they are more expensive.

And ALL branded sports shoes are luxury items. It's like trying to claim a £500 cricket bat is a necessity.

The words you are looking for are, 'Oh yes, I was wrong'. But by all means keep digging and squirming, you silly sod.

The original post you responded to had this in it: "Less than 1% of the trainers sold in the USA are manufactured there.".
No rowing back, less than 1% of such a huge market is nothing. Lets not play silly games.

The European brand trainers (not many of them either) were more expensive than Nike back in Feb this year. Tariffs means those Nikes are/will be even more expensive so if you're buying trainers then it will cost you more than it did in Feb either way.

Luxury trainers are the likes of Jimmy Choo, Prada, Gucci.............. if you think Nike is a luxury brand you're a mile off. 

I'm 100% right on this.
Trainers in the US will become more expensive for consumers. 
Now you can pop online and buy yourself a pair of San Antonio sneekers.

Changes story from one post to the next re totally irrelavant figure on US market (we are talking about future competitiveness, not current market share)- 'Now let's not play silly games'

European shoes were more expensive, so Chinese shoes getting more expensive means you will be paying more either way. ???  So, you are conflating European and US made shoes getting more competitive with consumers have to pay more. A different issue and not one that I ever disputed - though I could. Typical Goose deflection when in the wrong.

Luxury trainers are... I don't give a shit about your fashion sensibilities - all branded trainers are luxury items. Nobody's lifestyle will change as a result of having pay a few bucks more for their dim-witted choice of branding. Trainers are not meat or potatoes.

'I'm 100% right' - said Goose on every thread ever, especially when 100% wrong.

Future competitiveness of a manufacturing base and brands that are non-existent? They don’t even round up to half a % and you think people are going to buy San Antonio sneakers when the price of their Nikes go up?  

everybody wears trainers and they tend to need replacing pretty often, especially kids.
You now have a choice of buying another pair of Nike which have gone up $80 to $100, or you can buy a pair of Diadora which are $90. You’re either paying $10 more or $20 more - take your pick.

or you can have some San Antonio sneakers and pay thousands for the therapy after you get bullied.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

hahaha one line of New Balance trainers? i'll give you a grand for any of the others that you've actually heard of, never mind seen in a shop or bought. I reckon you'd deffo wear those San Antonio sneekers.
Redwing aren't sportswear but i'd say they are the only credible brand on there, otherwise nobody is buying those awful things.

i pointed out it was <1% further down.

European brands were more expensive pre-tariffs, they will still be more expensive if you now have to trade up to them because you cannot afford Nike/Adidas.

btw Nike/Adidas are not luxury sportswear, they're middle market.

Nike, Adidas, Converse, Sketchers, Puma all by and large manufacture in Asia. That's not changing.

This was what you posted: 'European manufactured brands are already more expensive and US ones don’t exist.' Rowing back on it after you've been caught out doesn't change that.

And your post about European brands is nonsense. On one hand you concede they will be more competitive (Nike/Addidas are priced out) and on the other hand they are more expensive.

And ALL branded sports shoes are luxury items. It's like trying to claim a £500 cricket bat is a necessity.

The words you are looking for are, 'Oh yes, I was wrong'. But by all means keep digging and squirming, you silly sod.

The original post you responded to had this in it: "Less than 1% of the trainers sold in the USA are manufactured there.".
No rowing back, less than 1% of such a huge market is nothing. Lets not play silly games.

The European brand trainers (not many of them either) were more expensive than Nike back in Feb this year. Tariffs means those Nikes are/will be even more expensive so if you're buying trainers then it will cost you more than it did in Feb either way.

Luxury trainers are the likes of Jimmy Choo, Prada, Gucci.............. if you think Nike is a luxury brand you're a mile off. 

I'm 100% right on this.
Trainers in the US will become more expensive for consumers. 
Now you can pop online and buy yourself a pair of San Antonio sneekers.

Changes story from one post to the next re totally irrelavant figure on US market (we are talking about future competitiveness, not current market share)- 'Now let's not play silly games'

European shoes were more expensive, so Chinese shoes getting more expensive means you will be paying more either way. ???  So, you are conflating European and US made shoes getting more competitive with consumers have to pay more. A different issue and not one that I ever disputed - though I could. Typical Goose deflection when in the wrong.

Luxury trainers are... I don't give a shit about your fashion sensibilities - all branded trainers are luxury items. Nobody's lifestyle will change as a result of having pay a few bucks more for their dim-witted choice of branding. Trainers are not meat or potatoes.

'I'm 100% right' - said Goose on every thread ever, especially when 100% wrong.

[goose]

Who do you think is paying that money?