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[Alan]

"Sport Bible New report on Lucas Paqueta's spot-fixing charges reveals how much of next season West Ham star can play There has been an update on Paqueta's case. Alex Brotherton Lucas Paqueta will be free to play for West Ham for most of next season despite facing spot-fixing charges. Paqueta has been charged by the Football Association with four separate instances of spot-fixing. The 28-year-old stands accused of deliberately getting himself booked during four Premier League matches. It is one of the most serious cases of spot-fixing involving a top-flight player in England, and could land Paqueta with a lengthy ban. However, the Brazil international can continue to play until the disciplinary process has been completed. According to The Times, the outcome of the process could be delayed until the end of the 2024-25 season or beyond. That is due to the complexity of the case; Paqueta's lawyers say it will take many months to secure all the witness statements and relevant information they need for their defence. That's because the case spans three countries - England, Brazil and Spain - and involves a large number of people. The charges allege that Paqueta got himself booked during matches against Leicester City, Aston Villa, Leeds United and Bournemouth over the past two seasons so that “one or more persons” could profit financially. The investigation that preceded the charges took eight months. In September 2023, Brazilian outlet Globo reported that suspicious gambling patterns were identified in Brazil relating to Paqueta being booked against Aston Villa in March that year. The bets were reportedly made using West Ham's shirt sponsor Betway, via accounts belonging to people linked to Paqueta. The FA initially gave the player until June 3 to respond to the charges, but his lawyers were granted an extension. English football's governing body has refused to put a timescale on the case. Paqueta has been linked with a move to Brazilian giants Flamengo this summer, but this latest development will give encouragement to new West Ham boss Julen Lopetegui that he can use the midfielder this season."

[nychammer]

I would guess that the FA are getting all their legal soldiers lined up for the battles to follow, irrespective of the verdict. Probably the same reasons that the Man City charges have not yet been resolved.

what defence could the FA possible have for dragging this on indefinitely? They'd be better finding not guilty and settling on damages. Sullivan is cheap so flash a few notes and he'll probably take it. Whatever, I'd be making all sorts of noise to push the FA to act with the new season fast approaching. 

Why would they be settling on damages? They are following the rules about spot fixing. If you're going on about how long its taken, then perhaps it is because they had to first wait for the Brazilian FA to conduct and conclude their own investigation, and then after that Paqueta's lawyers delayed the FA's proceedings for over six months to collect there own defence.

Also, Paqueta has been able to play and earn his wages during the whole proceedings, so he hasn't lost anything and we, as a club, have not either as he has been available for every game.

possibly, but how longs has this debacle taken? the FA were investigating this most of this season and said it would be decided by a panel of experts by June and still we wait. Get on with it already FFS!!!!

[Fauxstralian]

We’ve lost the £85m fee Man City had agreed to pay
Paqueta has probably lost £10m in extra wages over 2 years on an enhanced City contract

[cheesebgt]

How is this still dragging on for a third pre season.
The club should instruct solicitors to offer an ultimatum  of legal action if this isn't wrapped up before the season starts.
Why has it taken so long?

It shouldn't affect another season for the club or player, simply unfair on the club in particular who have undoubtedly done nothing wrong but have lost tens of millions in a transfer fees and the effectiveness of one of our best players.



 

I would guess that the FA are getting all their legal soldiers lined up for the battles to follow, irrespective of the verdict. Probably the same reasons that the Man City charges have not yet been resolved.

what defence could the FA possible have for dragging this on indefinitely? They'd be better finding not guilty and settling on damages. Sullivan is cheap so flash a few notes and he'll probably take it. Whatever, I'd be making all sorts of noise to push the FA to act with the new season fast approaching. 

Why would they be settling on damages? They are following the rules about spot fixing. If you're going on about how long its taken, then perhaps it is because they had to first wait for the Brazilian FA to conduct and conclude their own investigation, and then after that Paqueta's lawyers delayed the FA's proceedings for over six months to collect there own defence.

Also, Paqueta has been able to play and earn his wages during the whole proceedings, so he hasn't lost anything and we, as a club, have not either as he has been available for every game.

[nychammer]

How is this still dragging on for a third pre season.
The club should instruct solicitors to offer an ultimatum  of legal action if this isn't wrapped up before the season starts.
Why has it taken so long?

It shouldn't affect another season for the club or player, simply unfair on the club in particular who have undoubtedly done nothing wrong but have lost tens of millions in a transfer fees and the effectiveness of one of our best players.


 

I would guess that the FA are getting all their legal soldiers lined up for the battles to follow, irrespective of the verdict. Probably the same reasons that the Man City charges have not yet been resolved.

what defence could the FA possible have for dragging this on indefinitely? They'd be better finding not guilty and settling on damages. Sullivan is cheap so flash a few notes and he'll probably take it. Whatever, I'd be making all sorts of noise to push the FA to act with the new season fast approaching. 

[easthammer]

How is this still dragging on for a third pre season.
The club should instruct solicitors to offer an ultimatum  of legal action if this isn't wrapped up before the season starts.
Why has it taken so long?

It shouldn't affect another season for the club or player, simply unfair on the club in particular who have undoubtedly done nothing wrong but have lost tens of millions in a transfer fees and the effectiveness of one of our best players.

 

I would guess that the FA are getting all their legal soldiers lined up for the battles to follow, irrespective of the verdict. Probably the same reasons that the Man City charges have not yet been resolved.

[RootsRadical]

How is this still dragging on for a third pre season.
The club should instruct solicitors to offer an ultimatum  of legal action if this isn't wrapped up before the season starts.
Why has it taken so long?

It shouldn't affect another season for the club or player, simply unfair on the club in particular who have undoubtedly done nothing wrong but have lost tens of millions in a transfer fees and the effectiveness of one of our best players.
 

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Le Tissier had no pace. No work rate or stamina either. Wouldn't tackle or press at all. Much better as an attacking midfielder than Paqueta but it's a bit apples and oranges comparing the two. 

[Gank]

Thunder, you don't know what you're talking about. Would Le Tissier have been even better if he could beat a man for pace? Of course he would.

[Massive Attack]

As in compared to others when running (without the ball).

[THUNDERCLINT]

Oh for sure lightning quick with the ball at his feet, I'm on about without the ball he never appeared at all quick to me.

He didn't have to rely on it so was never really an issue. Just like it never was for say someone like Sheringham, they were always 1 or 2 steps ahead in other ways.

If he was quick with the ball at his feet he was quicker without it. No one is slower running with the ball.

[Massive Attack]

Oh for sure lightning quick with the ball at his feet, I'm on about without the ball he never appeared at all quick to me.

He didn't have to rely on it so was never really an issue. Just like it never was for say someone like Sheringham, they were always 1 or 2 steps ahead in other ways.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Not long after Paqueta signed for us, one of our donkeys lumped a ball far too high and far too long to nobody in particular, it was heading off the side of the pitch on our left sideline. Paqueta sprints all the way down from an advanced central position towards where the halfway line meets the sideline, leaps high into the air, turns in mid air, puts his left leg behind his right like an aerial rabona and controls the ball, it drops dead onto the ground like a rock.

Le Tissier was a great player, very entertaining, but he was nowhere near as quick, agile or skilful enough to be able to pull that off.

 

That last sentence is the dictionary definition of ignorance.

Le Tissier didn't lack pace he just rarely needed to use it because he was a yard in front of everyone mentally.

As for agile, he turned people inside out for fun.

Both feet were as close to perfect as anyone I've seen.

Scored goals the quality of which Paqueta couldn't dream nevermind equal.

You could have said that without the opening insult. It looks like you can't handle someone who can't agree with you on every matter.

Of course I didn't need to but I wanted to because it was so fucking stupid.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Le Tissier was the bollocks. I didn't consider him having any pace but he didn't need to rely on it most of the time anyway as previously stated due to how switched on he was reading the game.

Very Bergkamp and Di Canioesque in unbelievable technique and body strength with the imagination to go with it. He would have been ideal for us but fair play for only playing for his boyhood Club. 

Still angry at how underused he was for England. 

Paqueta’s not responsible enough on the pitch to lace his boots.

Revisit some of the goals where he beat 4 or 5 players. Deceptively quick ,fast feet, perfect touch and able to improvise is a split second. Not a showboat either, just that fucking good.

Paqueta isn't a quarter of the player he was.

[Massive Attack]

Le Tissier was the bollocks. I didn't consider him having any pace but he didn't need to rely on it most of the time anyway as previously stated due to how switched on he was reading the game.

Very Bergkamp and Di Canioesque in unbelievable technique and body strength with the imagination to go with it. He would have been ideal for us but fair play for only playing for his boyhood Club. 

Still angry at how underused he was for England. 

Paqueta’s not responsible enough on the pitch to lace his boots.

[Gank]

Not long after Paqueta signed for us, one of our donkeys lumped a ball far too high and far too long to nobody in particular, it was heading off the side of the pitch on our left sideline. Paqueta sprints all the way down from an advanced central position towards where the halfway line meets the sideline, leaps high into the air, turns in mid air, puts his left leg behind his right like an aerial rabona and controls the ball, it drops dead onto the ground like a rock.

Le Tissier was a great player, very entertaining, but he was nowhere near as quick, agile or skilful enough to be able to pull that off.

 

That last sentence is the dictionary definition of ignorance.

Le Tissier didn't lack pace he just rarely needed to use it because he was a yard in front of everyone mentally.

As for agile, he turned people inside out for fun.

Both feet were as close to perfect as anyone I've seen.

Scored goals the quality of which Paqueta couldn't dream nevermind equal.

You could have said that without the opening insult. It looks like you can't handle someone who can't agree with you on every matter.

[Sydney_Iron]

Why are we talking or comparing Paqueta to players who have long since hung up their boots?

I couldn't give a tuppeny fuck, all i want to know or see is him shine in the C&B, he's obviously got the talent and skill to be top notch (again), hopefully all this betting nonsense can be put behind and he's like bull at a gate to show what he's about and focus on his game. 

I want to see a re born Paquata, couldn't give a flying fuck how he compares to Matt fucking Le Tissier or anyone else.

All this assuming Sullivan doesn't sell him once cleared..................

COYI

[THUNDERCLINT]

Not long after Paqueta signed for us, one of our donkeys lumped a ball far too high and far too long to nobody in particular, it was heading off the side of the pitch on our left sideline. Paqueta sprints all the way down from an advanced central position towards where the halfway line meets the sideline, leaps high into the air, turns in mid air, puts his left leg behind his right like an aerial rabona and controls the ball, it drops dead onto the ground like a rock.

Le Tissier was a great player, very entertaining, but he was nowhere near as quick, agile or skilful enough to be able to pull that off.

 

 

That last sentence is the dictionary definition of ignorance.

Le Tissier didn't lack pace he just rarely needed to use it because he was a yard in front of everyone mentally.

As for agile, he turned people inside out for fun.

Both feet were as close to perfect as anyone I've seen.

Scored goals the quality of which Paqueta couldn't dream nevermind equal.

[Gank]

Not long after Paqueta signed for us, one of our donkeys lumped a ball far too high and far too long to nobody in particular, it was heading off the side of the pitch on our left sideline. Paqueta sprints all the way down from an advanced central position towards where the halfway line meets the sideline, leaps high into the air, turns in mid air, puts his left leg behind his right like an aerial rabona and controls the ball, it drops dead onto the ground like a rock.

Le Tissier was a great player, very entertaining, but he was nowhere near as quick, agile or skilful enough to be able to pull that off.

[threesixty]

 

Did you also practice stupidly giving possession away in dangerous areas? 

Diving and faking injury that gifts goals to your opponents?

This prick ha cost more goals than he scored or created and was a liability well before this farce.

Good players don't do that, 2nd rate showboats do.

 

Yes he’s frustrating. But all creative players do that. That’s why some managers get rid of them or try to tame them. Look at Joe Cole and his mourinho removed all the flair from him. 

but my feeling is that the rest of the team need to step up also to make these flair players work. I find that Paq and kudus hold on to the ball more simply because there are never that many options for them when they get it. And that’s a management thing really. Our players don’t run off the ball much or move into positions for easy triangle like passes. 

it will be interesting to see how kudus and Paq play in another team that is well coached throughout. I think if wil be like many ex West Ham players that were “shit” like Haller etc. 
they will all suddenly do really well and us fans will look bemused,
  why didn’t he do it for us etc?

well it’s the manager obviously. 

 

I'm not even going to get into the Messi, Iniesta, Xavi bracket of players.

Did LeTissier, who played for a shit Southampton with shit players spend every game giving the ball away and diving all over the place? Did he constantly fuck up and gift goals? Did he provide more goals and assist for the opposition  than his team?

Of course he didn't because he was actually good and not an over rated showboat cսnt.

 

 

I can’t really remember letissier playing. So maybe you’re right on that. I just think the way West Ham have played especially under Moyes meant we were very defensive and any fuckups made by our forwards are closer to our own goal. Just how we have been setup. So maybe that’s why it’s more noticeable. 

but let’s see how the play for other teams. I’m not convinced this can’t be coached out of them. 

. 

[THUNDERCLINT]

The problem with football today is even the fans look at the score board before they look at the actual game. They’ve all become stat merchants and are not in love with the actual “game”. Just imagine how boring football would have been for many of us when we were kids in the park if we didn’t try do all the flicks and skills from the players we admired. 

half the fans out there don’t care about the actual game in front of them. They just like being “top 6” and looking at numbers. 
if you love football you must love Paqueta, Kudus etc. because that’s what it’s about. Not fucking mechanical and industrial no flair players. They are needed but they are not what makes football exciting. 

I’m concerned that West Ham is getting rid of any flair for predictable journeymen in the hope to be a basic mid table PL club. It’s so disappointing.  West Ham were the flair club in this country. That is the West Ham way that they keep rubbishing.
we need to keep that in our dna. 







 

 

Did you also practice stupidly giving possession away in dangerous areas? 

Diving and faking injury that gifts goals to your opponents?

This prick ha cost more goals than he scored or created and was a liability well before this farce.

Good players don't do that, 2nd rate showboats do.

 

Yes he’s frustrating. But all creative players do that. That’s why some managers get rid of them or try to tame them. Look at Joe Cole and his mourinho removed all the flair from him. 

but my feeling is that the rest of the team need to step up also to make these flair players work. I find that Paq and kudus hold on to the ball more simply because there are never that many options for them when they get it. And that’s a management thing really. Our players don’t run off the ball much or move into positions for easy triangle like passes. 

it will be interesting to see how kudus and Paq play in another team that is well coached throughout. I think if wil be like many ex West Ham players that were “shit” like Haller etc. 
they will all suddenly do really well and us fans will look bemused,
  why didn’t he do it for us etc?

well it’s the manager obviously. 

 

 

I'm not even going to get into the Messi, Iniesta, Xavi bracket of players.

Did LeTissier, who played for a shit Southampton with shit players spend every game giving the ball away and diving all over the place? Did he constantly fuck up and gift goals? Did he provide more goals and assist for the opposition  than his team?

Of course he didn't because he was actually good and not an over rated showboat cսnt.

[threesixty]

The problem with football today is even the fans look at the score board before they look at the actual game. They’ve all become stat merchants and are not in love with the actual “game”. Just imagine how boring football would have been for many of us when we were kids in the park if we didn’t try do all the flicks and skills from the players we admired. 

half the fans out there don’t care about the actual game in front of them. They just like being “top 6” and looking at numbers. 
if you love football you must love Paqueta, Kudus etc. because that’s what it’s about. Not fucking mechanical and industrial no flair players. They are needed but they are not what makes football exciting. 

I’m concerned that West Ham is getting rid of any flair for predictable journeymen in the hope to be a basic mid table PL club. It’s so disappointing.  West Ham were the flair club in this country. That is the West Ham way that they keep rubbishing.
we need to keep that in our dna. 




 

 

Did you also practice stupidly giving possession away in dangerous areas? 

Diving and faking injury that gifts goals to your opponents?

This prick ha cost more goals than he scored or created and was a liability well before this farce.

Good players don't do that, 2nd rate showboats do.

 

 

Yes he’s frustrating. But all creative players do that. That’s why some managers get rid of them or try to tame them. Look at Joe Cole and his mourinho removed all the flair from him. 

but my feeling is that the rest of the team need to step up also to make these flair players work. I find that Paq and kudus hold on to the ball more simply because there are never that many options for them when they get it. And that’s a management thing really. Our players don’t run off the ball much or move into positions for easy triangle like passes. 

it will be interesting to see how kudus and Paq play in another team that is well coached throughout. I think if wil be like many ex West Ham players that were “shit” like Haller etc. 
they will all suddenly do really well and us fans will look bemused,
  why didn’t he do it for us etc?

well it’s the manager obviously. 

[Mike Oxsaw]

The problem with football today is even the fans look at the score board before they look at the actual game. They’ve all become stat merchants and are not in love with the actual “game”. Just imagine how boring football would have been for many of us when we were kids in the park if we didn’t try do all the flicks and skills from the players we admired. 

half the fans out there don’t care about the actual game in front of them. They just like being “top 6” and looking at numbers. 
if you love football you must love Paqueta, Kudus etc. because that’s what it’s about. Not fucking mechanical and industrial no flair players. They are needed but they are not what makes football exciting. 

I’m concerned that West Ham is getting rid of any flair for predictable journeymen in the hope to be a basic mid table PL club. It’s so disappointing.  West Ham were the flair club in this country. That is the West Ham way that they keep rubbishing.
we need to keep that in our dna. 



 

 

Did you also practice stupidly giving possession away in dangerous areas? 

Diving and faking injury that gifts goals to your opponents?

This prick ha cost more goals than he scored or created and was a liability well before this farce.

Good players don't do that, 2nd rate showboats do.

All that withstanding, this claim still fucked up both our finances and performance on the pitch. There's got to be a team of Payday No Win, No Fee lawyers gagging to take the case on. Ideal Sullivan partnership, that.

It's a reverse of the Tevez case; "They" claim Tevez - ONLY Tevez (and his goal at Old Trafford) - stopped us being relegated.

We could equally claim that the drop in Paqueta's form - entirely due to this case - prevented us from being in Europe again.

Goose/Ganders though, innit?

They'll have spent millions slamming shut any potential loopholes in this case - money that could have been better spent on the grass-roots football they're so keen to promote.

[THUNDERCLINT]

The problem with football today is even the fans look at the score board before they look at the actual game. They’ve all become stat merchants and are not in love with the actual “game”. Just imagine how boring football would have been for many of us when we were kids in the park if we didn’t try do all the flicks and skills from the players we admired. 

half the fans out there don’t care about the actual game in front of them. They just like being “top 6” and looking at numbers. 
if you love football you must love Paqueta, Kudus etc. because that’s what it’s about. Not fucking mechanical and industrial no flair players. They are needed but they are not what makes football exciting. 

I’m concerned that West Ham is getting rid of any flair for predictable journeymen in the hope to be a basic mid table PL club. It’s so disappointing.  West Ham were the flair club in this country. That is the West Ham way that they keep rubbishing.
we need to keep that in our dna. 


 

 

 

Did you also practice stupidly giving possession away in dangerous areas? 

Diving and faking injury that gifts goals to your opponents?

This prick ha cost more goals than he scored or created and was a liability well before this farce.

Good players don't do that, 2nd rate showboats do.

[Gank]

Premier League clubs can't sue each other, nor can they sue the Premier League, but I don't think this extends to the FA. There's certainly a legal case here.

[nychammer]

We better be shaping up to sue the FA for all their worth after this scandal. It’s been pretty clear for most of last season that they didn’t have the goods.