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Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 15:14El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 14:55ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 13:50Disagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.
Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.
Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure."Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."
Is it though? What are you basing this on? As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons.
Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant. KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.
yep. Same old.
Chip through to keeper - tick
yellow for dissent — tick
hardly any chances created - tick
0 shots on target - tick
Chip through to keeper - tick
yellow for dissent — tick
hardly any chances created - tick
0 shots on target - tick
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The worst start I’ve ever seen by a West Ham
manager.
I know he’s not, but it genuinely looks like he’s trying to throw matches with his lineups.
Abysmal. Batshit. Call it what you like. He’s got little talent to choose from. But his lineups are obscene. Like he pulled them out of a hat.
manager.
I know he’s not, but it genuinely looks like he’s trying to throw matches with his lineups.
Abysmal. Batshit. Call it what you like. He’s got little talent to choose from. But his lineups are obscene. Like he pulled them out of a hat.
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I'd honestly sack him after Burnley if he keeps doing this. Surely there's simply going to be no choice but to.
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I know our squad is largely shite but I can't believe what I'm seeing with the way he's set them up the last 2 games.
How can he possibly think that has a hope in hell of working?
Mental
How can he possibly think that has a hope in hell of working?
Mental
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I don't get it we looked so much better at Everton and then Arsenal was just poor but they're a very good team one of the best in Europe.. So wipe our mouths and get on with it.. But the two team selections since have surrendered two games that we might have won with the right line ups... It's fucking baffling...
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To make the mistakes he made on Monday were bad enough but to make the same mistakes a few days later is quite frankly unacceptable. Even if he hadn't been injured he was bringing Scarles off. What a disgraceful way to treat any player let alone a youngster. Scarles is a left back so to hang him out to dry not once but twice is really bad management. Same midfield, how does he think that will get better? Absolutely baffling.
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Paqueta is utter shite, he'd make a great ball juggler busking for coins in Dam square.
As a Premier League footballer he's not worth a cup of cold piss, if he'd gone to City he'd have just wound up as the Brazilian Kalvin Phillips.
As a Premier League footballer he's not worth a cup of cold piss, if he'd gone to City he'd have just wound up as the Brazilian Kalvin Phillips.
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ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 16:19It is entirely relevant in context. KDB was in a pass and move and £ for £ better team. He was also a better player. He gave the ball away more than anyone else despite that. Unlike Paqueta his recovery stats were more or less non existent because of the quality of players around him. Generally Paqueta recovers a lot of lost passes, compensating for his own errors and the lack of colleagues ability.
Fact is Paqueta is a fucking good player. His risk taking is the West Ham way. It can be exciting, entertaining and a pleasure to watch. That he gets fucked off, is inconsistent when regularly played out of position is unsurprising.
He should be judged on his performance in the number 8 role with movement around him. Currently there is Summerville and Bowen. The rest of the midfield has less movement than the average tree.
My points remain.
1. If Paqueta was our only problem at the club we would be in a good place.
2. If expectations have been lowered to the point, and some are satisfied, with the likes of JWP; Soucek; Irving; Rodrigues etc. In midfield instead of Paqueta then OK. But, out of those alternatives where is the creation coming from?
Whilst Paqueta might not have made the last pass in for a goal in the last 2 years he most definitely has been involved often in build up play.
Personally I would like to see Nuno get the best out him by providing a functioning midfield around him. Probably Potts and or Mugassa with time given to Fernandes. Kante and Earthy and possibly Fearon in due course should also have opportunities. Given the state we are in it will be hard but, If he is then regularly shit then bench him. Fact is Soucek; Rodrigues; Irving have all been hanged, weighed and found wanting so should join JWP behind the benches.
Nuno needs to do something to get the best out of his best players, and fast. Setting up like Monday was truly bad and hopefully a one off mistake.
Sorry thats just ridiculous, mentioning a bloke with a few non pen goals in the last few seasons and zero assists in the same breath of KDB is mental.
'his risk taking is the west ham way' what risks? It's not like he creates tonnes of chances, he takes risks and kicks it back to the other team or out for a goal kick thats my point. Yes he can create, but does it once every 6 weeks so for me its time to find a solution. Drop him, give him a kick up the arse or put him in a 3 with Fernandes and Potts/Magassa.
I pray we have a recall clause on Alvarez, fucking mental to let him go on loan.
'his risk taking is the west ham way' what risks? It's not like he creates tonnes of chances, he takes risks and kicks it back to the other team or out for a goal kick thats my point. Yes he can create, but does it once every 6 weeks so for me its time to find a solution. Drop him, give him a kick up the arse or put him in a 3 with Fernandes and Potts/Magassa.
I pray we have a recall clause on Alvarez, fucking mental to let him go on loan.
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Pshyco scored all 4" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 17:50 Absolutely mental calling out Nuno. The issues lay with the idiotic dwarf and the useless Tory whore .
100% he deserves calling out for those wacky tactics and selections made on the Team Sheet.
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Absolutely mental calling out Nuno. The issues lay with the idiotic dwarf and the useless Tory whore .
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Make you right Eusebiovic and as I keep boring on about, the failure to replace Rice has really exposed what was a limited, one dimensional squad under Moyes. Rice was like 2 players a lot of the time. His ability to cover the pitch is still as evident at Arsenal. I watched him last week and the game before at Nrwcsdtle, he eats up ground and pops up all over the park, intercepts and wins the ball back relentlessly and rarely gives it away and has excellent passing ability at speed.
The sale of Rice, we got Alvarez and he is decent trchnically but too slow and gets exposed for it. 2 seasons later we finallyget Magassa but he aint the same type of player either and while I saw glimpses against Everton of a good player he aint “oven teady” for the Premiership. Potts just doesnt get a run in the team but he again is not going to plug the “ Rice shaped hole “ we have.
I know he allegedly has an attitude issue and is gettimg on a bit at 28 but I would get Bissouma in on loan asap. He is out of favour at Spurs because of the aforementioned attitude but we need someone who has proved he is strong, quick and covers the pitch like Rice. He aint as good but even Rice saif he was one of the hardest midfielderd he faced back when Bissouma was at Brighton.
The sale of Rice, we got Alvarez and he is decent trchnically but too slow and gets exposed for it. 2 seasons later we finallyget Magassa but he aint the same type of player either and while I saw glimpses against Everton of a good player he aint “oven teady” for the Premiership. Potts just doesnt get a run in the team but he again is not going to plug the “ Rice shaped hole “ we have.
I know he allegedly has an attitude issue and is gettimg on a bit at 28 but I would get Bissouma in on loan asap. He is out of favour at Spurs because of the aforementioned attitude but we need someone who has proved he is strong, quick and covers the pitch like Rice. He aint as good but even Rice saif he was one of the hardest midfielderd he faced back when Bissouma was at Brighton.
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El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 15:40Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 15:14El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 14:55Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.
Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.
Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure."Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."
Is it though? What are you basing this on? As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons.
Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant. KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.No he hasn't- and aside from Bowen no-one has- because the whole team is a mess. The point being if you want a player like him to perform, then you have to build them a platform to be able to be successful. And if not Paqueta out of our current squad, then who? There's no-one else.
He's clearly lost his mojo...I think he is at his best on the left side of 3 central midfielders - We need 1 midfielder who is an expert at sitting in front of the defence making them look far better than they really are. Then the two inside midfielders on the right and left can bomb forwards and track back as the full backs overlap.
Unfortunately our ad hoc, laissez-faire and unfocused approach to squad recruitment has rarely resulted in creating a balanced, settled environment for players to thrive. It always goes back to the same fuckin' point.
In 15 years Rice was the only one who did that properly and Kouyate when he was here was decent more often than not. Apart from that it's always been a case of shoehorning midfielders who would've been much more effective further forward. Noble being the textbook example. He was NEVER a defensive midfielder. His best performances were always when he pushed further forward rather than defending deep.
The same with Bowen now - he ain't a target man in a million years - he's a wide forward who cuts inside and can finish in devastating fashion with his left foot. Why neutralise his talent?
No credible striker... that's why.
Unfortunately our ad hoc, laissez-faire and unfocused approach to squad recruitment has rarely resulted in creating a balanced, settled environment for players to thrive. It always goes back to the same fuckin' point.
In 15 years Rice was the only one who did that properly and Kouyate when he was here was decent more often than not. Apart from that it's always been a case of shoehorning midfielders who would've been much more effective further forward. Noble being the textbook example. He was NEVER a defensive midfielder. His best performances were always when he pushed further forward rather than defending deep.
The same with Bowen now - he ain't a target man in a million years - he's a wide forward who cuts inside and can finish in devastating fashion with his left foot. Why neutralise his talent?
No credible striker... that's why.
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It is entirely relevant in context. KDB was in a pass and move and £ for £ better team. He was also a better player. He gave the ball away more than anyone else despite that. Unlike Paqueta his recovery stats were more or less non existent because of the quality of players around him. Generally Paqueta recovers a lot of lost passes, compensating for his own errors and the lack of colleagues ability.
Fact is Paqueta is a fucking good player. His risk taking is the West Ham way. It can be exciting, entertaining and a pleasure to watch. That he gets fucked off, is inconsistent when regularly played out of position is unsurprising.
He should be judged on his performance in the number 8 role with movement around him. Currently there is Summerville and Bowen. The rest of the midfield has less movement than the average tree.
My points remain.
1. If Paqueta was our only problem at the club we would be in a good place.
2. If expectations have been lowered to the point, and some are satisfied, with the likes of JWP; Soucek; Irving; Rodrigues etc. In midfield instead of Paqueta then OK. But, out of those alternatives where is the creation coming from?
Whilst Paqueta might not have made the last pass in for a goal in the last 2 years he most definitely has been involved often in build up play.
Personally I would like to see Nuno get the best out him by providing a functioning midfield around him. Probably Potts and or Mugassa with time given to Fernandes. Kante and Earthy and possibly Fearon in due course should also have opportunities. Given the state we are in it will be hard but, If he is then regularly shit then bench him. Fact is Soucek; Rodrigues; Irving have all been hanged, weighed and found wanting so should join JWP behind the benches.
Nuno needs to do something to get the best out of his best players, and fast. Setting up like Monday was truly bad and hopefully a one off mistake.
Fact is Paqueta is a fucking good player. His risk taking is the West Ham way. It can be exciting, entertaining and a pleasure to watch. That he gets fucked off, is inconsistent when regularly played out of position is unsurprising.
He should be judged on his performance in the number 8 role with movement around him. Currently there is Summerville and Bowen. The rest of the midfield has less movement than the average tree.
My points remain.
1. If Paqueta was our only problem at the club we would be in a good place.
2. If expectations have been lowered to the point, and some are satisfied, with the likes of JWP; Soucek; Irving; Rodrigues etc. In midfield instead of Paqueta then OK. But, out of those alternatives where is the creation coming from?
Whilst Paqueta might not have made the last pass in for a goal in the last 2 years he most definitely has been involved often in build up play.
Personally I would like to see Nuno get the best out him by providing a functioning midfield around him. Probably Potts and or Mugassa with time given to Fernandes. Kante and Earthy and possibly Fearon in due course should also have opportunities. Given the state we are in it will be hard but, If he is then regularly shit then bench him. Fact is Soucek; Rodrigues; Irving have all been hanged, weighed and found wanting so should join JWP behind the benches.
Nuno needs to do something to get the best out of his best players, and fast. Setting up like Monday was truly bad and hopefully a one off mistake.
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Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 15:14El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 14:55ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 13:50Disagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.
Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.
Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure."Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."
Is it though? What are you basing this on? As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons.
Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant. KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.
No he hasn't- and aside from Bowen no-one has- because the whole team is a mess. The point being if you want a player like him to perform, then you have to build them a platform to be able to be successful. And if not Paqueta out of our current squad, then who? There's no-one else.
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El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 14:55ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 13:50gpike wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:42 Paq has been by and large awful for the last two seasons in any position he has been played in. He loses possession constantly hits the deck on any challenge that refs now, because of his play acting, do not give as fouls so the opposition can break on us. The pass complete percentage is appalling as he tries the impossible pass more often that not and the ball is lost again. We will instantly be better as a team if he is on the benchDisagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.
Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.
Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure.
"Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him."
Is it though? What are you basing this on? As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons.
Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant. KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.
Is it though? What are you basing this on? As he hasn't done it for nearly two seasons.
Mentioning him with KDB for any stat is completely irrelevant. KDB gets assists and influences games positively going forward. Paqueta doesn't anywhere near enough for his ability.
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ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 13:50gpike wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:42 Paq has been by and large awful for the last two seasons in any position he has been played in. He loses possession constantly hits the deck on any challenge that refs now, because of his play acting, do not give as fouls so the opposition can break on us. The pass complete percentage is appalling as he tries the impossible pass more often that not and the ball is lost again. We will instantly be better as a team if he is on the benchDisagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.
Exactly this. KDB is a great shout. I'm also not trying to say Paqueta is near as good, but yes his pass completion is pretty low- even in a team like Man City- because he's trying to make things happen and get on the attack. That's how Paqueta will have been taught to play from being a kid and if you don't want that then why buy the bloke? Coach it out of him and you end up with another JWP too scared to play it forward for fear of losing it. We play with too much fear. We played with fear under Moyes and under Potter. We were too cavalier under Lop.
Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.
Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure.
Big difference for KDB is that he was also playing with players multitudes better than ours, in a settled side who know what he's thinking and he knows what they are thinking. Even then it doesn't come off a lot of the time as the percentage will attest to. The other difference is that they have far better players in MF and defence as well, so losing the ball isn't essentially a death sentence for the team as they can press or harass and win it back usually high up the pitch and not immediately get ripped through resulting in a really good chance for the opposition, like it is for us. It looks a lot worse for us than other teams if we lose possession because we're so shit and disjointed off the ball.
Nuno has to give Paqueta the best platform to influence a game as if anyone is going to make anything happen with the ball and release the forwards, it's him. For that we need a settled midfield and a settled striker, and the reassurance for him that if it goes astray we aren't instantly fucked or under tremendous pressure.
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gpike wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:42 Paq has been by and large awful for the last two seasons in any position he has been played in. He loses possession constantly hits the deck on any challenge that refs now, because of his play acting, do not give as fouls so the opposition can break on us. The pass complete percentage is appalling as he tries the impossible pass more often that not and the ball is lost again. We will instantly be better as a team if he is on the bench
Disagree. Kevin DeBruyne had one of the worst completion rates, regularly, in the Premier league. Playing in a pass and move team those risky passes he played that came off were league winning. Paqueta is never going to stop taking risks or trying the difficult pass. Nor should he. He isn't as good as DeBruyne, obviously, but he is a fucking good player who is clearly very frustrated at West Ham. More to the point his type of football is what West Ham should be aspiring too, not lowering our expectations to the likes of JWP, fantastic pass completion rate; Soucek, can he actually pass? Rodrigues, remind me what he does, Irving, etc.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.
I give Paqueta great credit for sticking around, probably in the full knowledge that Sullivan wanted to flog him; that playing under Potter (as it was then) would be challenging; and some of us would be daft enough to get on his back.
If Paqueta was the only thing wrong with this club then we would not be in particularly bad place.
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El Scorchio" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:53factory seconds" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:25 paqueta is one of our very few players who doesn't treat the ball like a farmer's daughter treats her corpulent syphilitic earl of a husband on their arranged wedding night, for that he stays in the XI.Yup and I think he pays the price for taking more risks with the ball in that it'll get taken off him sometimes or the more risky pass won't come off. Sometimes that's because it's intercepted or sometimes because the other players don't have the anticipation to be ready for it or move for it. These are the things that can only be worked on through consistency in the team. If it's different players every time it's much harder to know what they'll try and do.
But back to the point, I'm sure his pass completion rate is toilet compared to JWP, but that's because JWP just passes it 10 yards sideways and backwards doing absolutely nothing for the team. Paqueta is much more trying to get the ball forward or playing a through ball. Definitely a lower success rate but it's clear which one is more beneficial if we want to be an attacking force as a team. And I should add it's not his fault nor should he be put in the position where if he loses the ball then we're immediately in desperation stakes because the rest of the team, particularly the defenders and deep midfielders are so fucking poor or inadequate that every time we lose it, the oppo look like scoring.
We never have a chance to gel because it's so mix and match. It's clear that teams that have consistency from one game to another or over the course of a season perform better.
The risky pass hardly ever comes off thats the point. He plays a risky pass which most of the time isn't even on. Plays a shit ball, usually a dink over the top to no one and we lose it. Does it 5 or 6 times ever game.
If he got loads of goals and assists but lost it alot you'd suffer it but he doesnt so his impact in the team is largely negative.
If he got loads of goals and assists but lost it alot you'd suffer it but he doesnt so his impact in the team is largely negative.
Re: Nuno Out
ATHammer wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:19Rossal wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 11:04 Paqueta's last assist in the league was the 4-3 Kalvin Phillips cameo up at Newcastle. About a season and a half ago.
If he was a good number 10 he would always play there, he gets moved about as he has talent but is more interested in giving the ball away or diving on the floor then taking the game by the scruff of the neck and getting goals and assists.
Losing out on £80m for him from Man City is one of the biggest sliding doors moments in our history. He isn't even worth half that now.Knocking Paqueta is pointless. We have had three fucking useless managers, and now Nuno who, for me the jury is out, who have played him as a "false 9" because the little cսnt would not finance a good striker.
Whether Paqueta blows hot and cold isn't the issue. He is hardly likely to be creative in a false 9 role and neither, as under Moyes at times, on the left wing.
If Paqueta had not performed when being played in his central midfield role then fair enough, slag him. If he is less productive when playing out of position then who's fault is that?
"If Paqueta had not performed when being played in his central midfield role then fair enough, slag him."
Yeah he hasn't. Year and a half since an assist in the league. He hasn't had a run of games in CM in that time? The bloke is so overated its mental.
Yeah he hasn't. Year and a half since an assist in the league. He hasn't had a run of games in CM in that time? The bloke is so overated its mental.
Re: Nuno Out
Sir Alf" wrote: ↑21 Oct 2025, 19:09 ———————- Areola
AWB. Todibo ( Greek is injured ) Kilman Diouf / KWP
———. Potts ——- Magassa ——— Paqueta
————— Fernandes ————————-
Bowen —————————— Summerville
Thats our best 11 - 13 in terms of athleticism, pace and strength !!! And the bar is set fairly low in that respect.
Impact subs Soucek, Wilson and Marshall although he would be tail end of games at best. Thats it. might be wirth pulling the young lafs Kante and Fearon into the squad for minutes. They are strong and Fearon quick?
Tactics will need to be low block, keep compact with 3 always in the midfield and sometimes 4 looking for fast counters to score. Moyesball with real discipline keepingbtge shape and if you dont run u dont play. Then hope we scrape a few points before Jan and then somehow make 3 signings, striker, centre mid ( Bissouma for me ) and a CB the whole spine of the team.
unlikely all this happens hence relegation seems to be odds on ?
I can’t think of a scenario where I would start Todibo. I ldeally not Kilman either but at least his faults are all ability based. Todibo stinks the place out with his lethargic, lazy attitude, while also being absolutely shit.
Give Igor a go, but even absent that, Wan-Bissaka, Soucek, couldn’t give a shit who really, just not that big for his boots shithouse Todibo.
Give Igor a go, but even absent that, Wan-Bissaka, Soucek, couldn’t give a shit who really, just not that big for his boots shithouse Todibo.
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Re: Nuno Out
factory seconds" wrote: ↑22 Oct 2025, 12:25 paqueta is one of our very few players who doesn't treat the ball like a farmer's daughter treats her corpulent syphilitic earl of a husband on their arranged wedding night, for that he stays in the XI.
Yup and I think he pays the price for taking more risks with the ball in that it'll get taken off him sometimes or the more risky pass won't come off. Sometimes that's because it's intercepted or sometimes because the other players don't have the anticipation to be ready for it or move for it. These are the things that can only be worked on through consistency in the team. If it's different players every time it's much harder to know what they'll try and do.
But back to the point, I'm sure his pass completion rate is toilet compared to JWP, but that's because JWP just passes it 10 yards sideways and backwards doing absolutely nothing for the team. Paqueta is much more trying to get the ball forward or playing a through ball. Definitely a lower success rate but it's clear which one is more beneficial if we want to be an attacking force as a team. And I should add it's not his fault nor should he be put in the position where if he loses the ball then we're immediately in desperation stakes because the rest of the team, particularly the defenders and deep midfielders are so fucking poor or inadequate that every time we lose it, the oppo look like scoring.
We never have a chance to gel because it's so mix and match. It's clear that teams that have consistency from one game to another or over the course of a season perform better.
But back to the point, I'm sure his pass completion rate is toilet compared to JWP, but that's because JWP just passes it 10 yards sideways and backwards doing absolutely nothing for the team. Paqueta is much more trying to get the ball forward or playing a through ball. Definitely a lower success rate but it's clear which one is more beneficial if we want to be an attacking force as a team. And I should add it's not his fault nor should he be put in the position where if he loses the ball then we're immediately in desperation stakes because the rest of the team, particularly the defenders and deep midfielders are so fucking poor or inadequate that every time we lose it, the oppo look like scoring.
We never have a chance to gel because it's so mix and match. It's clear that teams that have consistency from one game to another or over the course of a season perform better.