Boxing

[Nutsin]

Fights that would have had a different outcome if both fighters were in their prime.

I’ll go Hagler v Leonard and Tyson v Hollyfield.

Who you got?

[Massive Attack]

And yet someone like Usyk continues to go undefeated having also fought and won at different weight classes against some of the heaviest hitters around at a similar age to Roy Jones Junior losing to Calzaghe and on record as saying he's happy to continue on for another 3 years till he's 41. No one is denying Jones Junior wasn't quality, just that he wasn't as good as Calzaghe. 

[Eerie Decent]

You've once again mentioned a fight when RJJ was touching 40 and had long done the ridiculous weight changes ffs

If you don't recognise RJJ as one of the top 10 boxers across all weights of all time, it's not worth taking the debate any further. He was utterly ridiculous in his prime, pure talent wise, possibly in the top 3 that have ever lived.

He would'vwould'vethe floor with Calzaghe in his prime. 

[Massive Attack]

Danny knocked Tyson out in 4 rounds. That's convincing. By your logic. 

Yes because he never lost as well did he...

I think you're really struggling with the concept of 'prime'

Hopkins is widely considered one of if not the best MW of all time, and he fought both men. If he says no one would touch RJJ in his prime, I reckon it's worth listening to.

Calzaghe's best wins against fighters in their prime was Lacy & Kessler. RJJ was Hopkins, Toney & McCallum. Up until he went up too many weights, he was unbeatable. Incredible boxer, but you've set your stall out on a Brit so no point debating it anymore really.

I understand it fine and never said either were in their prime when they fought. The problem is we'll never find out so no one would know for sure and can only speculate. The fact Calzaghe beat everyone he ever faced undefeated throughout his career including Roy Jones Junior convincingly in America with both coming to the end of their careers is strong evidence that even in their prime I still think Calzaghe beats him. So it's not like we can't say they never faced one another when they did at MSG. Got no issue with anyone saying otherwise, but no one will ever know for certain. 

[oh dear II]

Lloyd Honeyghan's dismantling of Don Curry has to be one of the biggest upsets of all time.

Kirkland Laing beating Roberto Duran in Detroit must push that close

Curry was the P4P and everyone thought the next GOAT, Invincible to anyone, Honeyghan wasn't even considered the best contender. 

Duran was 31 and coming off a loss and didn't bother to train for Laing. Whilst it was an upset, it wasn't close to what Honeyghan achieved. 

 

 

 

 

Lloyd Honeyghan was hardly a journeyman bum, he went into that fight he was unbeaten at 27-0, very aggressive and hungry, and the legitimate no1 welterweight contender against what would turn out to be an over confident champion. Who had issues with his management team never trained properly and subsequently struggled to make the weight, Curry lost 10-pounds in the days leading up to the fight. 

Curry never fought at welterweight again so perhaps it was one fight too many at the weight. Give that one could surmise that it hardly an upset at all.

Public perception makes it upset but analysis and context made it a much more predictable outcome 

It doesn’t matter how talented you are, if you don’t take it seriously, for whatever reason, are over-confident and drained through weight loss you’re gonna get bashed in by the No1 contender

Both Britons beat legendary, but undercooked fighters

That said both fights were named as Ring Magazine “Upset of the Year” 

[Council Scum]

Danny knocked Tyson out in 4 rounds. That's convincing. By your logic. 

Yes because he never lost as well did he...

I think you're really struggling with the concept of 'prime'

Hopkins is widely considered one of if not the best MW of all time, and he fought both men. If he says no one would touch RJJ in his prime, I reckon it's worth listening to.

Calzaghe's best wins against fighters in their prime was Lacy & Kessler. RJJ was Hopkins, Toney & McCallum. Up until he went up too many weights, he was unbeatable. Incredible boxer, but you've set your stall out on a Brit so no point debating it anymore really.

He's also a complete fucking idiot when it comes to boxing as well. 

[Eerie Decent]

Nah, just the fact he clearly beat him convincingly in America as well as never, ever losing a fight. 

Danny knocked Tyson out in 4 rounds. That's convincing. By your logic. 

Yes because he never lost as well did he...

I think you're really struggling with the concept of 'prime'

Hopkins is widely considered one of if not the best MW of all time, and he fought both men. If he says no one would touch RJJ in his prime, I reckon it's worth listening to.

Calzaghe's best wins against fighters in their prime was Lacy & Kessler. RJJ was Hopkins, Toney & McCallum. Up until he went up too many weights, he was unbeatable. Incredible boxer, but you've set your stall out on a Brit so no point debating it anymore really.

[Mr Anon]

sort of understand the hate he gets but Eubank was one of the best things to happen to British boxing imo, a world class entertainer 

[Massive Attack]

Nah, just the fact he clearly beat him convincingly in America as well as never, ever losing a fight. 

Danny knocked Tyson out in 4 rounds. That's convincing. By your logic. 

Yes because he never lost as well did he...

[Council Scum]

Nah, just the fact he clearly beat him convincingly in America as well as never, ever losing a fight. 

Danny knocked Tyson out in 4 rounds. That's convincing. By your logic. 

[Lee Trundle]

Joseph Parker has failed a drugs test for cocaine.

[Massive Attack]

Nah, just the fact he clearly beat him convincingly in America as well as never, ever losing a fight. 

[Council Scum]

Bernard Hopkins has recently said that at his peak, no one in history would've beat Roy Jones Jnr. 

Some compliment from an all time great, that.

He's a step down from Calzaghe, Massive Attack will happily tell you. 

By your logic, Danny Williams is better than Mike Tyson and Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali. 

[Massive Attack]

Bernard Hopkins has recently said that at his peak, no one in history would've beat Roy Jones Jnr. 

Some compliment from an all time great, that.

He's a step down from Calzaghe, Massive Attack will happily tell you. 

[Council Scum]

Lloyd Honeyghan's dismantling of Don Curry has to be one of the biggest upsets of all time.

Kirkland Laing beating Roberto Duran in Detroit must push that close

Curry was the P4P and everyone thought the next GOAT, Invincible to anyone, Honeyghan wasn't even considered the best contender. 

Duran was 31 and coming off a loss and didn't bother to train for Laing. Whilst it was an upset, it wasn't close to what Honeyghan achieved. 

[Council Scum]

Bernard Hopkins has recently said that at his peak, no one in history would've beat Roy Jones Jnr. 

Some compliment from an all time great, that.

He's a step down from Calzaghe, Massive Attack will happily tell you. 

[Eerie Decent]

Bernard Hopkins has recently said that at his peak, no one in history would've beat Roy Jones Jnr. 

Some compliment from an all time great, that.

[oh dear II]

Lloyd Honeyghan's dismantling of Don Curry has to be one of the biggest upsets of all time.

Kirkland Laing beating Roberto Duran in Detroit must push that close

[F 129 Row66]

Anyone on here like "lady's" boxing? Personally I don't think women should be allowed to do any sport involving fighting, Apart from, of course, wrestling in mud.

[zico]

Eubank Snr has always been and always will be a cսnt in my book. Granted a hard tough cսnt, but  had the worst and least valued belt at the time, WBO and never left the UK to fight abroad from my recollection.
Benn fought anyone, anywhere in their backyard. Was superb in the States when he done DeWitt.


 

Dewitt wasn't much of a fighter though. Hopkins, Nunn, McCallum, Toney, Jones Jnr, all were the best about back then, Benn fought none of them.

Was intrigued about this so been doing some googling.  Not sure if true but apparently -

"Benn's fight with McClellan wasn't initially on the cards. The promoter first offered Michael Nunn as an opponent but wanted Benn to take a $100,000 pay cut. When Benn refused, he got an ultimatum: fight Nunn or face a "mini-Mike Tyson" in McClellan."

"Just before the Eubank-Benn rematch in 1993. Toney held the IBF super middleweight title, which he'd defended twice in the U.S. before facing Roy Jones Jr. in 1994. Obviously he lost that fight, and afterwards he moved up to light heavyweight (and beyond).

Both Eubank and Benn stayed at super middleweight after their second fight so having a weight disparity plus the barrier of finding a compelling reason to cross the Atlantic for a fight seemingly prevented them from ever fighting Toney."

Couldn't find too much re Benn vJones Jnr

[Lee Trundle]

Looks like the cringefest of AJ v Jake Paul might actually happen in December.

[Council Scum]

Eubank Snr has always been and always will be a cսnt in my book. Granted a hard tough cսnt, but  had the worst and least valued belt at the time, WBO and never left the UK to fight abroad from my recollection.
Benn fought anyone, anywhere in their backyard. Was superb in the States when he done DeWitt.

 

Dewitt wasn't much of a fighter though. Hopkins, Nunn, McCallum, Toney, Jones Jnr, all were the best about back then, Benn fought none of them.

[Council Scum]

I never met him but I never liked Eubank.

Gary stretch is a bit of a cսnt, his brother Roni is a likable character though.

I like Benn the person and the fighter, same with Lennox Lewis.



 

Gary Stretch got a slap off the long fella in a boozer back in the day.

[Takashi Miike]

bertie, his first few pro fights (four rounders) were in america but I agree, he never went over at his peak and took on the best

[BerlingtonBertie]

Eubank Snr has always been and always will be a cսnt in my book. Granted a hard tough cսnt, but  had the worst and least valued belt at the time, WBO and never left the UK to fight abroad from my recollection.
Benn fought anyone, anywhere in their backyard. Was superb in the States when he done DeWitt.

 

[Far Cough UKunt]

What the fuck was Eubank on about in that clip? Sounded like a lot of mumbo jumbo.