Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[northbankfrank]

odd one, nuno. as a person i really like him, i like what he says, he's earnest but not a pushover. none of that condescending moyes arrogance or limp potterisms, i even generally like the fight he's put into the team and his general ideas about the game. i don't even mind the batshit lineups he's come out with.

what i really, really don't like is his desire to completely abandon attempting to play a game of football when we get a lead.

 

 

What I struggle to get my head around is how much that happens on the pitch is down to the manager and how much is down to the mentality of the players.  Clearly subs are 100% down to the manager.  But is there a clear instruction (either in training or during the game) to park the bus and try to absorb pressure for 45 minutes when 2-0 up, or is that something the players conscientiously or sub-conscientiously take on themselves?

[factory seconds]

odd one, nuno. as a person i really like him, i like what he says, he's earnest but not a pushover. none of that condescending moyes arrogance or limp potterisms, i even generally like the fight he's put into the team and his general ideas about the game. i don't even mind the batshit lineups he's come out with.

what i really, really don't like is his desire to completely abandon attempting to play a game of football when we get a lead.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Potter tried to play some entertaining football...

No he didn't 

Potter failed through an over insistence on a possession based game with a slow midfield that inevitably created less than under Lopetegui, who had a more balanced approach to possession.

We are now back to playing Moyes desperate low block to get us out of the shit.

 

 

Yeah, I spout the same “nonsense” at the beginning of all tenures because I give people a chance. Like I say, you’re desperate for a pat on the back for being right if it fails. 

I’m not convinced there would be a single manager you’d be happy with. You just love to moan and be a misery. 

7 points from 9 and because you can’t moan about losing, you moan about it not being entertaining enough. 

if you think Potter was trying to play good football, there is no hope. That is not good football in anybody’s eyes. It was absolutely shit to watch. It’s also why, not to labour the point, we didn’t win a home game since February!

 

 

I’m not looking for anything, I shared already formed opinions from watching them before.  I didn’t just slag them off, I stated exactly why I didn’t rate them.

I’ve also offered many names of alternative players and managers I would prefer.

I didn’t say Potters football was entertaining, I said he tried and failed to play entertaining football that was possession based like all of the best teams are capable of. 

I think yesterday was a red flag for me and with the next 5 or 6 games we cannot afford to tactically set up and play that way. 

I don’t need your validation and I’m not bothered whether you disagree with me either. 


 

[southbankbornnbred]

He's definitely an improvement on Potter but a crushed slug would also be an improvement on that gutless wonder.

This is basically my view.

Despite some bonkers decisions and periods of matches where I think we should be more positive, Nuno is a significant upgrade on Potter.

Happy to back him, but it’s also always fair to critique him.

He puts us in a position to get points more regularly then Cockpiss, mostly because our tempo is better, and he allows his sides to shoot when in the final third.

His sides just have a better structure about them. The players look and, seemingly, feel a bit less shackled with Nuno in charge.

And he hasn’t signed any of his own choices yet.

[Massive Attack]

He's definitely an improvement on Potter but a crushed slug would also be an improvement on that gutless wonder.

I do like how he genuinely believes in some of our Academy players. He's persevered with Potts and trusted him when that wanker Potter was too scared to.

[Ron Eff]

It’s a West Ham forum dedicated to sharing opinions. Not a single opinion posted on here makes any difference to how the manager performs.

Potter tried to play some entertaining football and failed. Nuno is like a poor man’s Moyes and wants to park the bus and shit house his way through games. That’s not entertaining for me for the most part and yesterday was abysmal.

I also argued my point on why I didn’t rate Lopetegui and Kilman before they joined, and you spouted the same nonsense about negativity then. Now suddenly it’s ok to have that opinion as you’re not cheerleading for them anymore.

Potter tried to play some entertaining football...

No he didn't 

Potter failed through an over insistence on a possession based game with a slow midfield that inevitably created less than under Lopetegui, who had a more balanced approach to possession.

We are now back to playing Moyes desperate low block to get us out of the shit.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I spout the same “nonsense” at the beginning of all tenures because I give people a chance. Like I say, you’re desperate for a pat on the back for being right if it fails. 

I’m not convinced there would be a single manager you’d be happy with. You just love to moan and be a misery. 

7 points from 9 and because you can’t moan about losing, you moan about it not being entertaining enough. 

if you think Potter was trying to play good football, there is no hope. That is not good football in anybody’s eyes. It was absolutely shit to watch. It’s also why, not to labour the point, we didn’t win a home game since February!

[El Scorchio]

For the foreseeable it’s just taking any points from any game anyhow we can. It’s going to be igly but it’s stay up at all costs. I don’t envisage any particularly nice to watch football. But this is all due to the fucking DIRE situation Sullivan and his line up of shitty managers has gotten us into. We were easily going down without a whimper or a clue until Nuno rocked up. We now have a fighting chance. For that I am not going to get on his back too much until we are looking safe. If other people want to then that’s their prerogative. There are things to criticise about yesterday and it’s a shitter to concede a two goal lead but if we are being honest with ourselves most would have predicted a loss at 2.59 pm. It’s not a disaster and it’s another sorely needed point. Added that Wilson looked like the best striker we’ve had for some time- what a joke that is. 

[Takashi Miike]

All you twats who think you know how to manage a football team

You was the expert a few weeks ago when you wanted him sacked (I don't by the way) you really are a massive cսnt aren't you. 

he was the same with moyes. wanted him sacked, then wanted to shag him

[fraser]

All you twats who think you know how to manage a football team

You was the expert a few weeks ago when you wanted him sacked (I don't by the way) you really are a massive cսnt aren't you. 

[twoleftfeet]

All you twats who think you know how to manage a football team

[nychammer]

Well If Nuno has a pair of eyes he should have twigged by now that park the bus or low block isn’t a sustainable game plan with that back line. We should have been done 3 or 4 and a point was a blatant daylight robbery. I think as stubbo had said that once he made the first (poor) sub the others had to follow and just compounded the situation. That’s not to excuse the first to take Wilson off because that was a poor choice and left us no outlet. 

Im giving him the benefit here because for the last 2  games he got it right, but we can’t see a repeat of yesterday again and we won’t get away with it again, Shirley. 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

The Potter reference is the fact Jaan is adamant it’s the worst football he’s seen despite watching Potter bore his way to no wins at home since February and having next to no shots. Bizarre. 

And in fairness, you supported Lopetegui to the hilt, and he was similarly disastrous!

Some people just love to slate any manager. Almost so they can say “told you so” if/when the time comes to move him on. Be nice if as a group of supporters we could universally get behind one and give them some time.

It’s a West Ham forum dedicated to sharing opinions. Not a single opinion posted on here makes any difference to how the manager performs.

Potter tried to play some entertaining football and failed. Nuno is like a poor man’s Moyes and wants to park the bus and shit house his way through games. That’s not entertaining for me for the most part and yesterday was abysmal.

I also argued my point on why I didn’t rate Lopetegui and Kilman before they joined, and you spouted the same nonsense about negativity then. Now suddenly it’s ok to have that opinion as you’re not cheerleading for them anymore.

Potter tried to play some entertaining football...

No he didn't 

Potter failed through an over insistence on a possession based game with a slow midfield that inevitably created less than under Lopetegui, who had a more balanced approach to possession.

We are now back to playing Moyes desperate low block to get us out of the shit.

[Keep dreaming]

The Potter reference is the fact Jaan is adamant it’s the worst football he’s seen despite watching Potter bore his way to no wins at home since February and having next to no shots. Bizarre. 

And in fairness, you supported Lopetegui to the hilt, and he was similarly disastrous!

Some people just love to slate any manager. Almost so they can say “told you so” if/when the time comes to move him on. Be nice if as a group of supporters we could universally get behind one and give them some time.

It’s a West Ham forum dedicated to sharing opinions. Not a single opinion posted on here makes any difference to how the manager performs.

Potter tried to play some entertaining football and failed. Nuno is like a poor man’s Moyes and wants to park the bus and shit house his way through games. That’s not entertaining for me for the most part and yesterday was abysmal.

I also argued my point on why I didn’t rate Lopetegui and Kilman before they joined, and you spouted the same nonsense about negativity then. Now suddenly it’s ok to have that opinion as you’re not cheerleading for them anymore.

Potter tried to play some entertaining football...

No he didn't 

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

The Potter reference is the fact Jaan is adamant it’s the worst football he’s seen despite watching Potter bore his way to no wins at home since February and having next to no shots. Bizarre. 

And in fairness, you supported Lopetegui to the hilt, and he was similarly disastrous!

Some people just love to slate any manager. Almost so they can say “told you so” if/when the time comes to move him on. Be nice if as a group of supporters we could universally get behind one and give them some time.

It’s a West Ham forum dedicated to sharing opinions. Not a single opinion posted on here makes any difference to how the manager performs.

Potter tried to play some entertaining football and failed. Nuno is like a poor man’s Moyes and wants to park the bus and shit house his way through games. That’s not entertaining for me for the most part and yesterday was abysmal.

I also argued my point on why I didn’t rate Lopetegui and Kilman before they joined, and you spouted the same nonsense about negativity then. Now suddenly it’s ok to have that opinion as you’re not cheerleading for them anymore.

[Sir Alf]

I might be guilty of unconcsious bias or even conscious bias but I thought Todibo had a good game yesterday and was our best defender ( not incl Areola of course ). I think, Todibo has been ok for the last 3 games ?, still can improve but the run of games and playing on the left hand side seems to have seen him finally look half decent.  

[Ron Eff]

The Potter reference is the fact Jaan is adamant it’s the worst football he’s seen despite watching Potter bore his way to no wins at home since February and having next to no shots. Bizarre. 

And in fairness, you supported Lopetegui to the hilt, and he was similarly disastrous!

Some people just love to slate any manager. Almost so they can say “told you so” if/when the time comes to move him on. Be nice if as a group of supporters we could universally get behind one and give them some time.

[Massive Attack]

Potter was just a walking catastrophe of a manager. Definitely not someone to hold up as an example of decent Football. 

Nuno has to accept the criticism just as much as the praise and there has been some quality to like, getting us to compete again for one thing which is good to see.

[Ron Eff]

I don’t honestly give much of a shit about possession stats. Potter showed you that it can overrated. Passing about going nowhere for 90 minutes. Lopetegui often did similar, just not quite as bad. 

I’d much prefer we’re organised and a threat when attacking. We’re more organised under Nuno, but even that can’t polish the two absolutely shit centre halfs signed by Lopetegui or whoever is to blame for Todibo.

We’ve scored three in our last two home games, and two away. That suggests we are more of a threat than the two clowns beforehand. And yes, I appreciate he went too defensive in the 2nd half.

It’s generally agreed that the first 18 months of Moyes return was as good as it’s been recently, which was counter attacking. I suspect that’s where Nuno will land when he has a full suite of better options rather than the shit that’s been signed recently. If you prefer watching tippy tappy Potter shit because it’s more akin to the West Ham way than effective counter attacking football, good luck to you. Football is very different these days. 

[Massive Attack]

You not prepared to give him some time 

I'm not the one asking for him to be sacked and praised him for keeping the unbeaten run going but I won't sugarcoat some of his shocking decisions or how we played surrendering the ball for 76% against Bournemouth either. 

[fraser]

I thought Paquetá is shit and most want him dropped yet you can't expect too much when he's missing cause we need him... 

[Eerie Decent]

You not prepared to give him some time to bring in some players to try to mend the damage done by the 2 previous clowns we had managing us, including your mate who managed Spain U19's that you used to watch?

2nd half was shocking, and the Wilson sub was too early, but fuck me, look at the bench options.

Just goes to show some of you how important Paqueta actually is. We badly need a back up winger as well as a striker in Jan, just as important as a centre back, Summerville is too injury prone.

3 new players in key positions, and let's see. We looked dead and buried before he turned up, he's made some mistakes, but we're now in with a chance of staying up at least.

[Massive Attack]

Out of curiosity I wondered who holds the record for the lowest ever passes made in the Premier League and it's newly promoted Forest playing at Anfield under Steve Cooper with 85 passes. To put that in to context we managed 119 passes against Bournemouth and we've been back in the Premier League for 15 consecutive seasons in a row. GSB Anti-Football lives on.

[Sir Alf]

Sullivan and Brady still playing the PSR card and again have their propaganda outlets talking about having to sell before we buy but without a better CB, another athletic midfielder and central striker we will be hard pushed to stay up imo. At CB Mavropanos in place of Kilman might need to be tried

Nuno imo needs to start giving minutes to Magassa and some other U21 players like Earthy because our squad options are very limited if yesterday’s bench was anything to go by. 

[Massive Attack]

Come on Jaan, you know you should be grateful of seeing West Ham gifting 76% possession away to
Man City Bournemouth, as well as relying on route one Football for 1 of our goals that even Joe Kinnear would have been proud of. A neutral watching on could have been forgiven for thinking we were down to 10 men with how allergic we were to the ball.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

I would say it’s a bit of weird take after 7 points from 9. Two of which we scored three and a but for a last second Areola catastrophe would have been back to back 3-1 wins. 

How many points did you expect from those three games?

Sure he’s made some negative subs, and there was the two games of bizarre lineups which he seems to have largely learned from, but we’re in the trenches and he’s getting us points. 

If you think it’s worse than Potter when we never had any shots, couldn’t win at home, conceded at nearly every fucking corner, and passed it aimlessly sideways when we did have the ball, you need to give your head a wobble. 

Selective stats there. It's actually 8 points from 21 since Nuno came in. Or 8 points from 7 games to put it another way, which is basically relegation form.

 

Well, yeah. I’m talking about most recent form, clearly. We’ve done to death the bizarre selections for Leeds and Brentford, I was highly critical. 

Once he landed on the best eleven, I’ve slightly afforded him a clean slate. We were without two major factors in that best eleven yesterday. Paqueta for ball retention, and making us tick, Summerville for pace on the break. 

Yes, the 2nd half was shit. But on the strength of what I’ve seen in Everton away, Newcastle and Burnley at home and the first half against Bournemouth, it’s night and day to the two previous wallies. Brentford and Leeds was diabolical as documented, and Arsenal is just what it is this season. 

We didn’t win a home game since February under Potter! Must have been much better to watch than Nuno’s back to back home wins where we scored six goals though. 

 

 

The second half at Everton and the Newcastle game are the only good moments under Nuno so far.  Burnley was a dire game, gifting a majority of possession at home to the team with the worst possession average in the division. A winning tactic maybe, but still awful football. 

200 passes to Bournemouth’s 600, whilst conceding nearly 30 shots at goal isn’t in any shape tactically progressive from Potter.