Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[Mad Ferret]

Muelensteen’s daughter

[Massive Attack]

[Figgieham1]

Just read an article where Harry Redknapp said he would go into West Ham and manage for free!

[eusebiovic]

What i find astonishing is that under FOUR managers in a row and virtually a completely different XI from Moyes to Nuno, the football has been the same.

With the ball- Slow, sideways, backwards, fuck all movement, players getting isolated, not working the opposition, easy to contain. Never creating overloads, no one seeming comfortable, panicking and misplacing passes, hoofing it hopefully forward. Totally unable to beat or move round a press

Without the ball- passive, retreating, meek, backpedalling, inviting the opposition to dominate territory and possession. Not pressing, slow to react

How is that even possible through four managers and virtually a whole new squad? To still be that way? The only outfield players still here who are big contributors now (and were under Moyes) are Bowen, Paqueta and arguably Mavropanos

You describe us very well. 

But in answer to your question, I would suggest the answer is simpler than you think. And that is that all four coaches were not very good and have fallen way below the standard of coaching required to be competitive in the PL (maybe?)

 

I agree with regard to Lop and Potter- especially Potter who as it turns out was entirely emperors new clothes and Lop had no pedigree here despite winning things in his managerial career, but Nuno has done some rather good things with Wolves and Forest, so there IS or WAS something there and he understands how to have some success at more than one club. This one is most baffling how it's just crumbled. It doesn't make sense on the face of it. 

But I do also generally agree that constantly doing managers on the cheap is a recipe for disaster. It sort of feeds my belief that Sullivan thinks it's still in 90s in that any collection of players loosely labelled as 'midfield' or 'striker' can do a job anywhere in that area of the pitch if they look the part and have a large price tag whereas the game has evolved so much tactically and every position on the pitch is basically a specialist role, it's a jigsaw fitting them together, and a collection of players that 'look good' individually don't make a good team. Just like I believe he still thinks a manager is a Mike Bassett type role and it is still that simple and primitive, and he doesn't understand how finances need to work in the modern game with balancing the books on players especially when you don't have an endless pot of money- as we do not.

I have always suspected that most of the sheer waste in transfer resources and wages is simply down to this.

It reminds me of Peter Swales at Man City in 1979 when he gave Malcolm Allison a blank chequebook. They were signing players left, right and centre for at least half a million quid and less than a year later were binning them off for a small fraction of the original fee.

I don't think Sullivan has learnt anything since buying Birmingham in 1993. He is a stubborn old fucker who won't listen to any advice because he obviously knows everything.

Even worse, since David Gold died he is now flapping about like an octopus about to be boiled alive because he was clearly the diplomatic one in their business partnership who could smooth out any disagreements. That's not saying much tbh but I really do think he's all at sea without his old mucker.

[Massive Attack]

Sullivan doesn't understand what all the fuss is about and is today preferring to concentrate on spending another £45M on more Mendes/Nuno dodgy deals..

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... inless-run



The dopey cսnt deserves relegation. 

[El Scorchio]

What i find astonishing is that under FOUR managers in a row and virtually a completely different XI from Moyes to Nuno, the football has been the same.

With the ball- Slow, sideways, backwards, fuck all movement, players getting isolated, not working the opposition, easy to contain. Never creating overloads, no one seeming comfortable, panicking and misplacing passes, hoofing it hopefully forward. Totally unable to beat or move round a press

Without the ball- passive, retreating, meek, backpedalling, inviting the opposition to dominate territory and possession. Not pressing, slow to react

How is that even possible through four managers and virtually a whole new squad? To still be that way? The only outfield players still here who are big contributors now (and were under Moyes) are Bowen, Paqueta and arguably Mavropanos

You describe us very well. 

But in answer to your question, I would suggest the answer is simpler than you think. And that is that all four coaches were not very good and have fallen way below the standard of coaching required to be competitive in the PL (maybe?)

 

 

I agree with regard to Lop and Potter- especially Potter who as it turns out was entirely emperors new clothes and Lop had no pedigree here despite winning things in his managerial career, but Nuno has done some rather good things with Wolves and Forest, so there IS or WAS something there and he understands how to have some success at more than one club. This one is most baffling how it's just crumbled. It doesn't make sense on the face of it. 

But I do also generally agree that constantly doing managers on the cheap is a recipe for disaster. It sort of feeds my belief that Sullivan thinks it's still in 90s in that any collection of players loosely labelled as 'midfield' or 'striker' can do a job anywhere in that area of the pitch if they look the part and have a large price tag whereas the game has evolved so much tactically and every position on the pitch is basically a specialist role, it's a jigsaw fitting them together, and a collection of players that 'look good' individually don't make a good team. Just like I believe he still thinks a manager is a Mike Bassett type role and it is still that simple and primitive, and he doesn't understand how finances need to work in the modern game with balancing the books on players especially when you don't have an endless pot of money- as we do not.

[Russ of the BML]

My take on it - Beyond all what has mostly been said. We were unlucky with critical moments, officiating and rub of the green. And we have been unlucky generally in that all season. But in my anger and frustration in this - I am compelled to accept that you make your own luck. And if you play so defensively, so deep, so nervously and you simply concede the opposition the ball, with time and with no press or urgency, then you allow them to create chances. You allow them to put in say, 25 crosses per game, rather than say, 10. If you allow your opponent to probe and clip so many through balls into the area, sooner or later, something will give. Something will go wrong. Because you are creating an environment for things to go wrong.

Look at the Brighton game, their equaliser was a freak. Should've been a free kick for high foot and the offside situation was a farce as we were punished for Areola making a save. But all that came after we allowed Brighton almost 20 minutes of constant pressure. 

Not once this season under Potter or Nuno have I seen us control the tempo of a game. Control the possession and condense the pitch to suit us and then expand it to suit us. Everything we do is reactive and in response to what the opponent is doing. Like a boxer, you stick your chin out too many times and you get clocked. 

In the last eight games, we have been unlucky in places, but I have never once seen Nuno screaming at them to get up the pitch. Never once seen him screaming to hold the ball and retain possession. Never once seen a formation that allows defence to transition into a meaningful attack. We are nervous, naive and look completely incapable of winning any match over 90 mins with and without the ball.

That comes from the coach. 

[Dirty Den]

Alan Pardew can see the problems like the rest of us, why can't Nuno....

[fraser]

What i find astonishing is that under FOUR managers in a row and virtually a completely different XI from Moyes to Nuno, the football has been the same.

With the ball- Slow, sideways, backwards, fuck all movement, players getting isolated, not working the opposition, easy to contain. Never creating overloads, no one seeming comfortable, panicking and misplacing passes, hoofing it hopefully forward. Totally unable to beat or move round a press

Without the ball- passive, retreating, meek, backpedalling, inviting the opposition to dominate territory and possession. Not pressing, slow to react

How is that even possible through four managers and virtually a whole new squad? To still be that way? The only outfield players still here who are big contributors now (and were under Moyes) are Bowen, Paqueta and arguably Mavropanos

You describe us very well. 

But in answer to your question, I would suggest the answer is simpler than you think. And that is that all four coaches were not very good and have fallen way below the standard of coaching required to be competitive in the PL (maybe?)

Yep when your recruitment plan is recently failed managers, you get managers who fail. 

[Russ of the BML]

What i find astonishing is that under FOUR managers in a row and virtually a completely different XI from Moyes to Nuno, the football has been the same.

With the ball- Slow, sideways, backwards, fuck all movement, players getting isolated, not working the opposition, easy to contain. Never creating overloads, no one seeming comfortable, panicking and misplacing passes, hoofing it hopefully forward. Totally unable to beat or move round a press

Without the ball- passive, retreating, meek, backpedalling, inviting the opposition to dominate territory and possession. Not pressing, slow to react

How is that even possible through four managers and virtually a whole new squad? To still be that way? The only outfield players still here who are big contributors now (and were under Moyes) are Bowen, Paqueta and arguably Mavropanos

You describe us very well. 

But in answer to your question, I would suggest the answer is simpler than you think. And that is that all four coaches were not very good and have fallen way below the standard of coaching required to be competitive in the PL (maybe?)

[fraser]

He's been a disaster of an appointment, but I have no problem with him talking to their players after as he knows them well and would be fucking strange if he'd blanked them. 

[Metroplex]

 What i find astonishing is that under FOUR managers in a row and virtually a completely different XI from Moyes to Nuno, the football has been the same.

 

We didn't even get any respite watching Southgate's England in the Euros. I'm only surprised that that drab coward hasn't been approached yet.

[El Scorchio]

What i find astonishing is that under FOUR managers in a row and virtually a completely different XI from Moyes to Nuno, the football has been the same.

With the ball- Slow, sideways, backwards, fuck all movement, players getting isolated, not working the opposition, easy to contain. Never creating overloads, no one seeming comfortable, panicking and misplacing passes, hoofing it hopefully forward. Totally unable to beat or move round a press

Without the ball- passive, retreating, meek, backpedalling, inviting the opposition to dominate territory and possession. Not pressing, slow to react

How is that even possible through four managers and virtually a whole new squad? To still be that way? The only outfield players still here who are big contributors now (and were under Moyes) are Bowen, Paqueta and arguably Mavropanos

[Vexed]

We need to be sounding out a progressive young manager for our rebuild in the championship now. One that wants to play ACTUAL FUCKING FOOTBALL with all that attacking and passing and stuff we used to hear about.

I'd also be selling off 'assets' like Paqueta and possibly even Bowen now while they still have value. Get the youth in every game fuck cunts like Kilman out of the squad entirely. 

Sack Nuno now, he aint got it and him and Potter have killed us. The only silver lining is that Sully's personal wealth has taken a big whack tonight, the only thing he cares about. 

[Come On You Irons]

Bloke's a cսnt just waiting for his "industry" standard pay off and reward for complete and utter failure.

Only at West Ham under Sullivan's regime would such a piss taking loser not being chopped. All simply due to penny pinching.

[violator]

If we lose to that lot, it will be three former teams in a row that he's lost to.

[Massive Attack]

The smiling hugging embraces with his former Forest players straight after losing at Home. Skulking off immediately after the Wolves humiliation away to another one of his former Clubs. Weird as fuck line-ups and oddball substitutions. We play his other former shitcunt Club Spurs at their place next in the League, so I can only deduce from that we'll get beat there as well as he celebrates wildly doing 57 somersaults with the rest of the Spurs squad about our impending relegation.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Where's that Charlie Kirk shooter when you need him..



Something a bit suss about this cսnt.

 

 

I really hate this cսnt.

[easthammer]

There are so many variables at play here I don't think anyone can confidently predict what is going to happen any time soon.  I CAN WE ARE GOING DOWN

Can Nuno still perform a miracle?  NO
Will he get the chance to?  HE SHOULDN'T
Would we want to pay off another manager? OBVIOUSLY NO BUT  BETTER LONG TERM THEN SPENDING ANOTHER £40m ON SECOND RATE FORWARDS
What about the transfer window? FORGET IT
Would Nuno want to be manager in the Championship? NO
Would it be good to bring in a new coach now to prepare for next season, but would that makes sense for him to have a relegation on his CV? YES MICHAEL CARRICK or ANYBODY WHO KNOWS WHAT IT TAKES TO SUCCEED IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP AND JUST HOW TOUGH IT IS. RELEGATION WON'T BE DOWN TO HIM
How about caretakers? NO POINT UNLESS NUNO WALKS AND WE CAN'T GET SOMEONE WHO CAN START PLANNING TO GET US BACK UP
Will we try to sell any players now this window?
WE SHOULD IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT AND THEY WOULD BE GOING ANYWAY.
All a right old quandary. YES BUT ALL THE MORE REASON TO ACT NOW

 

 

 

 

 

[Massive Attack]

Where's that Charlie Kirk shooter when you need him..



Something a bit suss about this cսnt.

[Manuel]

There are so many variables at play here I don't think anyone can confidently predict what is going to happen any time soon.

Can Nuno still perform a miracle?
Will he get the chance to?
Would we want to pay off another manager?
What about the transfer window?
Would Nuno want to be manager in the Championship?
Would it be good to bring in a new coach now to prepare for next season, but would that makes sense for him to have a relegation on his CV?
How about caretakers?
Will we try to sell any players now this window?

All a right old quandary. 

[BoleynGone]

Forest managed the game better than us.
Equaliser was nailed on,we lacked any real threat,Paqueta doing nothing.Clearly not fit.
We were unlucky with the offside.What VAR were watching wasn't the ball coming off a Forest defender last.
Nuno thought by including Soucek it would work but this stiffled Fernandes.
The 2 new strikers tried but let's be honest they aren't that good. Neither have pace which virtually every team in the PL has. Seeing this now Nuno will demand we pay the 7m for Traore.
Nuno's selections were as poor as any that he's used.
Of course the players were going to try especially Soucek but that ain't good enough.
Nuno only made 3 subs. Love Potts but Earthy as an attacking outlet would have been better and drop Soucek back,he's only ever any good at set pieces. Nuno went fot the safe option. In fact i would have brought on Kante too for Summerville who lost his impetus as the game went.
Nuno went for safety like he always has when a win was needed,baffling.

The team needs inspiration and Nuno is far,far from giving it to us.
He was more interested in hugging,embracing the Forest players. how's he going to explain this one, another apology

[THUNDERCLINT]

Clint,

You've exposed yourself as not having watched the match.

You've had a mare.

Sadly I watched the whole battering.

Didn't see the Kappa kit though...

[Mad Ferret]

Clint,

You've exposed yourself as not having watched the match.

You've had a mare.

[Dirty Den]

Another negative manager who sets out not to lose, rather than win.