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David Moyes
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Gank wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 01:31I know we've been here before,but what we're talking about here is a made-up third tier European competition which exists solely to create a betting spectacle and the jeopardy to make it competitive is that the winner gets an automatic place in the European second tier.
So whilst the format was different, allowing us and Juventus to win it at the same time (and they count it as a Euro trophy), it boils down to the exact same thing. Take it as an accolade and you can still big up Moyes for winning us our first trophy in over 20 years instead of rewriting history to make him look better than he was.
Sorry mate l disagree
Re: David Moyes
stubbo wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025, 08:05scott_d wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025, 08:03Gank wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 16:52I mean exactly that, I'm not sure what you're asking me - I'm saying that they're not exactly the same thing as one has three winners and the other has one, but they're both just a means to gain entry to the second tier competition and whilst that means it isn't a great thing to win of itself, it's quite the achievement and Moyes winning it deserves credit because it was our first trophy in over 20 years and got us into more meaningful Euro competition.
But to pretend one counts and the other doesn't just to make Moyes sound like a better manager by adding another 20 years to the lack of trophies is bollocks.I'm asking you why you claim that both West Ham and Juventus won the Europa Conference League? Juventus did not win it or even play in it, West Ham did. What did I miss that year?He was talking about the year we 'won' the Intertoto Cup (which had multiple 'winners')
Thanks, apologies, I thought he was referring to the Europa Conference. That makes sense now.
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Re: David Moyes
stubbo wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025, 08:05scott_d wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025, 08:03Gank wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 16:52I mean exactly that, I'm not sure what you're asking me - I'm saying that they're not exactly the same thing as one has three winners and the other has one, but they're both just a means to gain entry to the second tier competition and whilst that means it isn't a great thing to win of itself, it's quite the achievement and Moyes winning it deserves credit because it was our first trophy in over 20 years and got us into more meaningful Euro competition.
But to pretend one counts and the other doesn't just to make Moyes sound like a better manager by adding another 20 years to the lack of trophies is bollocks.I'm asking you why you claim that both West Ham and Juventus won the Europa Conference League? Juventus did not win it or even play in it, West Ham did. What did I miss that year?He was talking about the year we 'won' the Intertoto Cup (which had multiple 'winners')
The fact that the Intertoto had more than one winner discredits his whole point in itself.
Re: David Moyes
scott_d wrote: ↑16 Apr 2025, 08:03Gank wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 16:52scott_d wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:30What do you mean by this? There is only one winner each year decided in exactly the same fasion as the Europa League and the Champions League? This may be same level as Inter-Toto but they don't have 3 winners.
Yes it's third tier in European Competition Terms but it represents an opportunity to win a European trophy and access to next level -the Europa League.I mean exactly that, I'm not sure what you're asking me - I'm saying that they're not exactly the same thing as one has three winners and the other has one, but they're both just a means to gain entry to the second tier competition and whilst that means it isn't a great thing to win of itself, it's quite the achievement and Moyes winning it deserves credit because it was our first trophy in over 20 years and got us into more meaningful Euro competition.
But to pretend one counts and the other doesn't just to make Moyes sound like a better manager by adding another 20 years to the lack of trophies is bollocks.I'm asking you why you claim that both West Ham and Juventus won the Europa Conference League? Juventus did not win it or even play in it, West Ham did. What did I miss that year?
He was talking about the year we 'won' the Intertoto Cup (which had multiple 'winners')
Re: David Moyes
Gank wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 16:52scott_d wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:30Gank wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 01:31I know we've been here before,but what we're talking about here is a made-up third tier European competition which exists solely to create a betting spectacle and the jeopardy to make it competitive is that the winner gets an automatic place in the European second tier.
So whilst the format was different, allowing us and Juventus to win it at the same time (and they count it as a Euro trophy), it boils down to the exact same thing. Take it as an accolade and you can still big up Moyes for winning us our first trophy in over 20 years instead of rewriting history to make him look better than he was.What do you mean by this? There is only one winner each year decided in exactly the same fasion as the Europa League and the Champions League? This may be same level as Inter-Toto but they don't have 3 winners.
Yes it's third tier in European Competition Terms but it represents an opportunity to win a European trophy and access to next level -the Europa League.I mean exactly that, I'm not sure what you're asking me - I'm saying that they're not exactly the same thing as one has three winners and the other has one, but they're both just a means to gain entry to the second tier competition and whilst that means it isn't a great thing to win of itself, it's quite the achievement and Moyes winning it deserves credit because it was our first trophy in over 20 years and got us into more meaningful Euro competition.
But to pretend one counts and the other doesn't just to make Moyes sound like a better manager by adding another 20 years to the lack of trophies is bollocks.
I'm asking you why you claim that both West Ham and Juventus won the Europa Conference League? Juventus did not win it or even play in it, West Ham did. What did I miss that year?
Re: David Moyes
scott_d wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 13:30Gank wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 01:31I know we've been here before,but what we're talking about here is a made-up third tier European competition which exists solely to create a betting spectacle and the jeopardy to make it competitive is that the winner gets an automatic place in the European second tier.
So whilst the format was different, allowing us and Juventus to win it at the same time (and they count it as a Euro trophy), it boils down to the exact same thing. Take it as an accolade and you can still big up Moyes for winning us our first trophy in over 20 years instead of rewriting history to make him look better than he was.What do you mean by this? There is only one winner each year decided in exactly the same fasion as the Europa League and the Champions League? This may be same level as Inter-Toto but they don't have 3 winners.
Yes it's third tier in European Competition Terms but it represents an opportunity to win a European trophy and access to next level -the Europa League.
I mean exactly that, I'm not sure what you're asking me - I'm saying that they're not exactly the same thing as one has three winners and the other has one, but they're both just a means to gain entry to the second tier competition and whilst that means it isn't a great thing to win of itself, it's quite the achievement and Moyes winning it deserves credit because it was our first trophy in over 20 years and got us into more meaningful Euro competition.
But to pretend one counts and the other doesn't just to make Moyes sound like a better manager by adding another 20 years to the lack of trophies is bollocks.
But to pretend one counts and the other doesn't just to make Moyes sound like a better manager by adding another 20 years to the lack of trophies is bollocks.
Re: David Moyes
Gank wrote: ↑15 Apr 2025, 01:31I know we've been here before,but what we're talking about here is a made-up third tier European competition which exists solely to create a betting spectacle and the jeopardy to make it competitive is that the winner gets an automatic place in the European second tier.
So whilst the format was different, allowing us and Juventus to win it at the same time (and they count it as a Euro trophy), it boils down to the exact same thing. Take it as an accolade and you can still big up Moyes for winning us our first trophy in over 20 years instead of rewriting history to make him look better than he was.
What do you mean by this? There is only one winner each year decided in exactly the same fasion as the Europa League and the Champions League? This may be same level as Inter-Toto but they don't have 3 winners.
Yes it's third tier in European Competition Terms but it represents an opportunity to win a European trophy and access to next level -the Europa League.
Yes it's third tier in European Competition Terms but it represents an opportunity to win a European trophy and access to next level -the Europa League.
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Re: David Moyes
I know we've been here before,but what we're talking about here is a made-up third tier European competition which exists solely to create a betting spectacle and the jeopardy to make it competitive is that the winner gets an automatic place in the European second tier.
So whilst the format was different, allowing us and Juventus to win it at the same time (and they count it as a Euro trophy), it boils down to the exact same thing. Take it as an accolade and you can still big up Moyes for winning us our first trophy in over 20 years instead of rewriting history to make him look better than he was.
So whilst the format was different, allowing us and Juventus to win it at the same time (and they count it as a Euro trophy), it boils down to the exact same thing. Take it as an accolade and you can still big up Moyes for winning us our first trophy in over 20 years instead of rewriting history to make him look better than he was.
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Re: David Moyes
Inter toto or whatever it was called doesn't count as major trophy and l was there in Metz
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Inter toto or whatever it was called doesn't count as major trophy and l was there in Metz
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Re: David Moyes
Alfs wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025, 19:48honky cat" wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025, 19:26 I think its time to lock this shit, he has fuck all to do with us now.
Thank god.
Agreed
Yup. It just exists purely as shitty troll bait.
Re: David Moyes
honky cat" wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025, 19:26 I think its time to lock this shit, he has fuck all to do with us now.
Thank god.
Agreed
Re: David Moyes
XKhammer wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025, 19:17Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025, 17:1122/23 - 20 League defeats
23/24 - Conceded 74 league goals
it's like comparing dog shit to a cow pat22/23 First trophy in 43 years
24 years
Re: David Moyes
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑13 Apr 2025, 17:1122/23 - 20 League defeats
23/24 - Conceded 74 league goals
it's like comparing dog shit to a cow pat
22/23 First trophy in 43 years
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22/23 - 20 League defeats
23/24 - Conceded 74 league goals
it's like comparing dog shit to a cow pat
23/24 - Conceded 74 league goals
it's like comparing dog shit to a cow pat
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Re: David Moyes
Turn it in you boring Spurs cսnt and anyway it ain't Moyes it's Irvine behind Everton's results, just like it was when we were on that great winning streak when he was here.
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We’d be below Southampton
FACT
Shouldn’t you be more worried about Obese Ange getting the sack this week?
FACT
Shouldn’t you be more worried about Obese Ange getting the sack this week?