Potter Out

[THUNDERCLINT]

Had enough of this arogrant no mark now.  

11 games, 27% win ratio and 0.66 goals per game.

Either the break clause is true or this flake quits otherwise were proper fucked.

[Eerie Decent]

"Isn't the problem with these "manager out" posts that there's never any realistic suggestions of who should be the next manager in."


This bollocks is trotted out all the fucking time, seriously, what sort nonsense is that?

Away from the fact that the likes of Bournemouth & Crystal fucking Palace can go out and getting better managers than us, what about when Villa got Emery?

They were shitter than us at the time, and we were fucking shit in the league, Villa acted and got rid of Gerrard, then spent money to get Emery.

We sat on our hands, kept Moyes, and what has proceeded is 3 years of mostly dirge in terms of league form and performances.

So yes, there are realistic options out there, and many of us have made those suggestions. We could've got Silva off Fulham at one point, 100%, as one example.

[El Scorchio]

I'm not that fussed which 11 players he picks and in what formation. The important thing is what happens on the pitch. I know some like to lose their shit over the team sheet before a ball is even kicked.



 

I think people "lose their shit" when they see the team sheet because they usually know exactly what's going to happen on the pitch and it ain't good. Some time during the 2nd half he'll change the set up and bring on the players he should have started with and now we suddenly play better. Shame it's too late to actually win the game. Happens almost every match. That's why people lose their shit.

 

 

I know. I just prefer to wait until I’ve actually seen a ball being kicked before making my judgement. Especially with a match like the one coming up. 

Don’t get me wrong, we need a performance and we need to be on the front foot, pressure and score goals, but the 11 on paper doesn’t necessarily guarantee or preclude that from happening. 

[Mad Ferret]

Graham Lopebrummie

[fraser]

I'm not that fussed which 11 players he picks and in what formation. The important thing is what happens on the pitch. I know some like to lose their shit over the team sheet before a ball is even kicked.


 

I think people "lose their shit" when they see the team sheet because they usually know exactly what's going to happen on the pitch and it ain't good. Some time during the 2nd half he'll change the set up and bring on the players he should have started with and now we suddenly play better. Shame it's too late to actually win the game. Happens almost every match. That's why people lose their shit.

Yep starting poorly most games, changing it for the better most second halves, then revert back to what didn't work next game, before changing it again. How about keep running with something that worked not something that didn't. 

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

I'm not that fussed which 11 players he picks and in what formation. The important thing is what happens on the pitch. I know some like to lose their shit over the team sheet before a ball is even kicked.

 

I think people "lose their shit" when they see the team sheet because they usually know exactly what's going to happen on the pitch and it ain't good. Some time during the 2nd half he'll change the set up and bring on the players he should have started with and now we suddenly play better. Shame it's too late to actually win the game. Happens almost every match. That's why people lose their shit.

[El Scorchio]

I'm not that fussed which 11 players he picks and in what formation. The important thing is what happens on the pitch. I know some like to lose their shit over the team sheet before a ball is even kicked.

Regardless of who he puts out, I don't care as long as they go at Southampton with positive intent and score a couple, preferably one quite early.

I hope Fullkrug starts, but whether he does or not, we can seemingly only hope for 45 mins out of him. I think he will.

[THUNDERCLINT]

I wanted Fonseca over Amorim. We had 2 great chances to get him but that's never going to happen now.

Looks like Iraola is staying at Bournemouth so the only option is try for which ever one of Frank or Silva don't get picked up by Spurs. Unless, by some miracle, Glasner can be talking into leaving Palace.

[Sir Alf]

Correct Cerveza.  Moyes 2 seasons of relative success in the league were an unexpected accident in truth that led to getting a third tier Euro trophy in season 3 where our league form had returned to shite.

I would not expect any manager to be successful at West Ham under Sullivan especially now he’s got what he always wanted, to be de facto DOF again. Coupled with his one dimensional approach of appointing old, 60 year old, out of work managers ( Brady bucked the trend to recommend young 50 year old Potter against Sullivan’s better judgement). The manager Sullivan wants has to be at a low ebb, failed at last club but once managed a big club that was in Europe for the “razzle dazzle” bling factor that makes Sullivan feel like a “big shot”.

But to repeat, even if we could pick any manager their chance of success is very low with Sullivan running the club.  

[Cerveza Para Mi]

Isn't the problem with these "manager out" posts that there's never any realistic suggestions of who should be the next manager in.

When it was obvious Moyes was on his way out there were the clicjk bait brigade, like Mad Nick on Claret & Booze creaming his jockeys that we were going to get Amorim, however unrealistic most of us thought that was.  Then after we'd somnehow lost to Leicester, despite apparently having had more shots at goalk than West Ham had ever had in an away game, he was critical that we didn't "go for van Nistelrooy when he was available".

The stumpy little Russian wannabe who runs the club likes his manager picks to be out of work so it's fairly evident that any manager who might be in line should Potter prove not to be up to the job will be picked from the list of those recentl.y sacked for failing to live up to the expectations of their previous employers.

Sad but true.

[Manuel]

I don't thinnk Fullkrug will start...all the noise form the club is he's not fit enough to do so.

If he starts he'll probably have to come off at half time.

Hopefully in this game we don't start with 4 at the back though, have Soler and Paqueta in the team as our most progressive midfielders, and if we don't start with Fullkrug, start with either Guilherme or Ferguson (as opposed to an extra Centre Back or Alvarez/Soucek).

Wouldn't surprise me to see us start like this though:

Areola
Wan Bissaka Todibo Kilman Scarles
Soler Ward-Prowse
Kudus Soucek Paqueta
Bowen

You may well be right and we might find out more in his presser, but the fella was out for a few months with a hamstring, he should be up to speed by now, if not then he's pretty much broken and won't be of much use.

[THUNDERCLINT]

You're correct a good performance proves nothing but a negative one is unacceptable 

It speaks to the nature of the man.

If he doesn't have the conviction to go for it on Saturday then when will he?

More insipid dross on Saturday and he needs to go. Any money given to him in the summer will be wasted on players to fit his boring shite football.

[fraser]

Thinking back to when he got his injury it was  mentioned that he would have to nurse it for the remainder of his career, he's adapted better to the league than I thought he would, but we need someone who can be relied on and it def3doesnt look like he's it, as for Ferguson... Another brilliant striker recruitment season by us... 

[stubbo]

I don't thinnk Fullkrug will start...all the noise form the club is he's not fit enough to do so.

If he starts he'll probably have to come off at half time.

Hopefully in this game we don't start with 4 at the back though, have Soler and Paqueta in the team as our most progressive midfielders, and if we don't start with Fullkrug, start with either Guilherme or Ferguson (as opposed to an extra Centre Back or Alvarez/Soucek).

Wouldn't surprise me to see us start like this though:

Areola
Wan Bissaka Todibo Kilman Scarles
Soler Ward-Prowse
Kudus Soucek Paqueta
Bowen

[Manuel]

You're correct a good performance proves nothing but a negative one is unacceptable 

True, and no doubt that's where the interest is.

[fraser]

You're correct a good performance proves nothing but a negative one is unacceptable 

[Manuel]

I don't like games like this Saturday, as not really sure what we will be able take away from it. We are basically up against a non opponent, an absolute fucking disgrace of a so called top flight side, as we were with Leicester the other week. Even if we produce a 'good' performance, so what?? It proves nothing. We'd have to win by at least 4 or 5 for it to be anything more than what you would deem as 'progress'.

As for playing a forward, I suspect the German will start. It's all a bit too obvious to me. Is Potter proving to be a bit of a tit? Yes. Is he a complete tit? Probably not. I doubt he'll want to rile the fan base up even more and give us some more ammo to chuck at him.

We might get a few clues in his cumbersome, boring presser later.

[fraser]

Yep can't argue with that need a performance Saturday 

[THUNDERCLINT]

On Saturday we find out who this prick really is. 

At home to Southampton, the worst Premier League team ever. Already relegated, 2 wins, 4 draws, 10 points and 77 goals conceeded after 32 games. 

If doesn't set up with the intent to batter these clowns from the first whistle and give the home fans a reason to bounce around after a shit season then what is the point of him?

I'm not even asking that he does batter them, just play like he means to.

Yet I doubt he'll even start with a striker,again...

[stubbo]

It might help the mentality of the players if they had the facilities of a big club 

Mentality is driven by culture, and culture is set at the head of the organisation. 

High standards, high expectations.  Not things anyone can equate to the rule of David Sullivan. 

It's the same as this idea to 'improve the match day experience's which they think they can do with baubles and trinkets. The fans aren't behind the team because they have no vision or belief that is worth supporting that transcends the individual match....so the only time they're roused is by the team on the day if things appear to show a fight.

But if the head of the club had a strong and defined vision the support could buy into and get behind, a vision of where we're going, and a leadership that inspired...then that alone would improve the match day experience. It would change the Club's culture.

But the toad at the top and his henchmen can't do that. So it is what it is, and what Sullivan always tries to do....cover a turd in glitter and call it a spectacle.

[Rusta]

It might help the mentality of the players if they had the facilities of a big club 

[Keep dreaming]

Pellegrini said we lacked a big team mentality, and so says Potter.
They are both right, and since 2019 the majority of players brought in has been extremely poor, and even with the mindset to play defensively. Another this is the actual squad management which also has been extremely poor. The team is old, and lack competition in each position of the field.
Owner and manager from 2019 are to blame for our current state. No manager would easily mend our problems from January up to today. I'm not even sure Potter will succeed, but that's because of Sullivan as he is again the director of football again.
West Ham will never gain a big team mentality with the current owners at the helm.

[El Scorchio]

That’s cos Potter is obsessed with playing ultra defensively 
in our last 3 games during the times that Fullkrug has been on the pitch we’ve scored 3 and conceded 2,
the time where he was sat on the bench in those games we scored 0 and conceded 3
somehow Potter would spin that info to make it sound like we’re better off playing without him, he’d see it that we concede less goals per minute without him in the team and just ignore the fact we need him to score 

Disagree on 'ultra defensive' as any sort of obsession of his, but it's clear our attacking ambitions are very limited by our complete lack of athleticism in the middle of the park, and it's clearly better in that situation to err on the side of caution rather than constantly strand them all upfield giving the oppo a field day running en masse at our back four. If it's still the same next season then I'll start to worry.
 
That article you posted only reinforces what I said that the lack of minutes for Fullkrug is down to injury concerns from overusing him at this point rather than anything else, and next season is the target. It clearly says the medical team are concerned about him playing more than 45 minutes in case he reinjures himself so there's your answer plain and simple.

Not really a case of there you go is it 
we’ve always had the worst physios going, hence why we’ve always had issues with injuries 
look at Summerville for instance, went off as a precaution, medical team said it was minor, hasn’t been seen since 
you could take the most unfit fat slob and see how far he can run, 2 or 3 days later he can try and go a bit farther, you wouldn’t say to him oh no mate you’ve gotta do half the distance this time 
fitness works by the more you do the fitter you get, not the less
and what are they even trying to protect him from? The end of the season? Just play the bloke 

Of course it is. They've said it's injury risk not lack of fitness/match fitness. Two different things. Giving him more minutes in this case wouldn't be a good thing for him seen as they are trying to avoid him breaking down again. It's written clear as day in the article.

Obviously the priority is next season to make sure he's 100% for that which would mean keeping him injury free so he can have a full preseason. It is shit for what's left of the rest of this season to put up without him playing the majority of minutes but the damage is done we aren't moving up the table and we certainly aren't going down, so it's absolutely pointless risking him getting hurt between now and then. It's just foolish to say otherwise if that's his current injury risk situation.

[Maverick180180]

If anything it's the latter. Having Fullkrug (or any CF) on makes our already weak midfield that much weaker. I think this is the reason. When he's properly fit he'll start though- he can make up for it with his presence and pressing high up the pitch, not to mention making life a lot more difficult for their centre backs who let's face it are simply not troubled physically by any of our other players. It's too easy to win headers or possession really cleanly and set off good attacks. Being under serious pressure doesn't allow them to do that and gives us more of a chance to press and get more advanced. You can't commit forward if you know the ball is just coming straight back every time and setting up really good attacking positions for the opposition. IMO he will start on Saturday. 

That’s cos Potter is obsessed with playing ultra defensively 
in our last 3 games during the times that Fullkrug has been on the pitch we’ve scored 3 and conceded 2,
the time where he was sat on the bench in those games we scored 0 and conceded 3
somehow Potter would spin that info to make it sound like we’re better off playing without him, he’d see it that we concede less goals per minute without him in the team and just ignore the fact we need him to score 

Disagree on 'ultra defensive' as any sort of obsession of his, but it's clear our attacking ambitions are very limited by our complete lack of athleticism in the middle of the park, and it's clearly better in that situation to err on the side of caution rather than constantly strand them all upfield giving the oppo a field day running en masse at our back four. If it's still the same next season then I'll start to worry.
 
That article you posted only reinforces what I said that the lack of minutes for Fullkrug is down to injury concerns from overusing him at this point rather than anything else, and next season is the target. It clearly says the medical team are concerned about him playing more than 45 minutes in case he reinjures himself so there's your answer plain and simple.

Not really a case of there you go is it 
we’ve always had the worst physios going, hence why we’ve always had issues with injuries 
look at Summerville for instance, went off as a precaution, medical team said it was minor, hasn’t been seen since 
you could take the most unfit fat slob and see how far he can run, 2 or 3 days later he can try and go a bit farther, you wouldn’t say to him oh no mate you’ve gotta do half the distance this time 
fitness works by the more you do the fitter you get, not the less
and what are they even trying to protect him from? The end of the season? Just play the bloke 

[El Scorchio]

Everything I’m seeing suggests to me that Potter either doesn’t like Fullkrug or doesn’t like the formation he has to play in order to incorporate him into the team
We were absolutely atrocious against Bournemouth in the first half, but Potter waited 10 minutes to bring Fullkrug on in the second half, that’s got nothing to do with fitness, that was Potter waiting to see if we could equalise and not have to bring Fullkrug on, seems to me he only brings him on when he’s desperate for a goal, not like the rest of us would do and simply play him as much as possible.

If anything it's the latter. Having Fullkrug (or any CF) on makes our already weak midfield that much weaker. I think this is the reason. When he's properly fit he'll start though- he can make up for it with his presence and pressing high up the pitch, not to mention making life a lot more difficult for their centre backs who let's face it are simply not troubled physically by any of our other players. It's too easy to win headers or possession really cleanly and set off good attacks. Being under serious pressure doesn't allow them to do that and gives us more of a chance to press and get more advanced. You can't commit forward if you know the ball is just coming straight back every time and setting up really good attacking positions for the opposition. IMO he will start on Saturday. 

That’s cos Potter is obsessed with playing ultra defensively 
in our last 3 games during the times that Fullkrug has been on the pitch we’ve scored 3 and conceded 2,
the time where he was sat on the bench in those games we scored 0 and conceded 3
somehow Potter would spin that info to make it sound like we’re better off playing without him, he’d see it that we concede less goals per minute without him in the team and just ignore the fact we need him to score 

Disagree on 'ultra defensive' as any sort of obsession of his, but it's clear our attacking ambitions are very limited by our complete lack of athleticism in the middle of the park, and it's clearly better in that situation to err on the side of caution rather than constantly strand them all upfield giving the oppo a field day running en masse at our back four. If it's still the same next season then I'll start to worry.
 
That article you posted only reinforces what I said that the lack of minutes for Fullkrug is down to injury concerns from overusing him at this point rather than anything else, and next season is the target. It clearly says the medical team are concerned about him playing more than 45 minutes in case he reinjures himself so there's your answer plain and simple.

[Maverick180180]

https://www.claretandhugh.info/west-ham ... y-concern/

If that’s true then the obvious reason why he hasn’t gained any fitness over the last 2 weeks is because he’s spending more and more time sat on the bench