Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[arsene york-hunt]

"Domestic violence is a massive issue. When I used to do training sessions for Mental Health Workers, I had all the statistics at hand, but I remember one or two. There were two deaths a week caused by domestic violence in England an Wales. One in nine males physically abused partners. One in ten cases of domestic abuse is woman on man."

[riosleftsock]

"if there were more FELATIONSHIPS, maybe there would be less domestic violence?"

[Darlo Debs]

When.i read back.i also.laughed out loud..That might be my best Freudian slip ever :-) Yes absolutely on.the point re women's aid Another organisation called Touchstone that I know less about has also linked the violence to gender simply because of the numbers I expect ..underneath it all.that is where the issue is. While some studies put the figure of men being abused at up.to.40% they all.recognise that it's more like to be women that are assaulted ( sometimes sexually also) and certainly more likely to be murdered by a male partner or ex partner.

[goose]

Bang on again nurse.

[Nurse Ratched]

"First and foremost: üòâ @ 'FELATIOnships'. I know it was unintended, but made me laugh out loud. Secondly, I think if there is a 2-part study into misogynist violence carried out by a Woman's Aid charity, I consider the dice are pre-loaded. It's kind of existential to their job and funding, isn't it? Regarding your last sentence, how on earth could any of us know one way or the other? How do you prove it? And even if you could, what different would it make? The violence is still illegal. The perpetrator, if found guilty, will still be punished."

[Darlo Debs]

Well given I don't know every abuser and all.felationships are different I can't personally but there has been a 2 part study by a women's aid organisation that looks into misogyny based abuse but not sure it's entirely fair to.post that up.as it doesn't look.into an equivalence of women.who.beat up.their male partner because they hate men and we don't want to.upset goose now do.we? But are you assuming that there aren't men ( or women).who don't beat the partners in significant numbers due to.a hatred of the opposite sex?.

[Nurse Ratched]

"""Nurse it would depend on the motivation behind the attacks . There are many men who attack.their partners through a sheer hatred and disrespect for women. I daresay the reverse could well be true. Obviously though it's not illogical to think it a lot more common in tbe former case."" Can you prove any of that, though? With respect, it comes across as your assumption only."

[goose]

Nurse Ratched 2:13 Mon Jul 24 Re: Woke watch

[Darlo Debs]

Nurse it would depend on the motivation behind the attacks . There are many men who attack.their partners through a sheer hatred and disrespect for women. I daresay the reverse could well be true. Obviously though it's not illogical to think it a lot more common in tbe former case.

[Darlo Debs]

No Surf....you are the one that said women stay and say its because but I love him I suspect emotional and physical.abuse go hand in hand in mist abusive relationships. The abuser will I suspect depend on the victim feeling dependent upon them and thus not emotionally.or physically strong enough to leave.

[Nurse Ratched]

"Debs, it is by no means the worst thing that's happened to me. Didn't even come close. But then he pulled his punches, really. Just enough of a CLUMP to shut me up. Do I think gender based violence is A Thing? Yes. When it is carried out by rapists and the perpetrators of 'honor-based' violence. But there are specific laws that cover those specific crimes. What MATERIALLY is the difference between a man CLUMPING his woman partner and a woman CLUMPING her male partner?"

[Nurse Ratched]

"Debs, it is by no means the worst thing that's happened to me. Didn't even come close. But then he pulled his punches, really. Just enough of a CLUMP to shut me up. Do I think gender based violence is A Thing? Yes. When it is carried out by rapists and the perpetrators of 'honor-based' violence. But there are specific laws that cover those specific crimes. What MATERIALLY is the difference between a man CLUMPING his woman partner and a woman CLUMPING her male partner?"

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Debs I hope you aren't suggesting emotional abuse is a particularly male trait. That would appear to go against any form of reality.

[Darlo Debs]

....Surf that will be on many cases to do.with the psychology of the relationship...physical abuse often goes hand in hand with emotional.abuse.

[Darlo Debs]

Nurse your experience sounds horrendous but that isn't to say there won't be abusers that just abuse their partner and who do so due to.a specific hatred of women ( or men where that is the case) I can't profess to.have the stats regarding quantities and as fifth says there isn't a specific law that just covers domestic violence here anyway. Can you genuinely hand on heart though say you think such gender based violence isn't a thing just because that wasn't your experience?

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Darlo Debs 1:51 Mon Jul 24 'Women often don't press charges through fear , you do.realise that don't you?' D'ur! 'when the law fails the victims (mostly women) and the courts don't put .abuser away for long enough it deters victims from.from.seeking help or they withdraw allegations.' Length of sentence is probably the very last thing that discourages women from testifying. Fear of retribution from family or friend would be one, being unwilling to send your children's dad away would be another, but overwhelmingly, the reason women don't testify is , 'But, I Loves 'Im, Really'"

[Nurse Ratched]

"When I was knocked about by my ex, I never presumed at the time, or since, that he did that specifically because I am a woman. I am sure he did it because he was full of frustration and I was the one getting on his nerves at the time, and we spent a lot of time together (probably a lot more time than he would wish) He did it to men, too, so his violence wasn't limited to me/women. In fact considerably more men copped it off him than I did. I don't understand the utility of the term 'gender based violence'. What's the point of it? It's all just violence."

[Darlo Debs]

*.involved with

[Darlo Debs]

"This was back.in.the early 80s Surf and the police just looked on.such occurrences as domestic disputes they'd not get in bed with. Women often don't press charges through fear , you do.realise that don't you? It's not because hhe man.hasnt done something wrong.....or vice versa. That's how domestic abusers operate, when the law fails the victims (mostly women) and the courts don't put .abuser away for long enough it deters victims from.from.seeking help or they withdraw allegations."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Darlo Debs 10:59 Mon Jul 24 'when the lawcdidnt even recognise domestic violence as a crime in itself. I remember my ex brother in law hitting my sister hecwas a 6ft pub bouncer she is 5ft 2 and had two.kids under 5 with her.' Rubbish as usual. The violence you describe has always been illegal - in you and your sister's lifetimes, anyway. There WAS a reluctance by the police to prosecute because the wife or girlfriend would invariably refuse to testify and they felt it was a waste of their time. You can blame the police for laziness and cynicism here, but not for misogyny. If you don't believe me, ask Ryan Giggs or Ravel Morrison how it works."

[Fifth Column]

"In English law there is no specific crime of domestic abuse. It is prosecuted using existing laws related to violence, coercive control etc and does not specify sex."

[Darlo Debs]

The laws I was talking to relate to.Spain and the attitudes of the Vox party. There is nothing to say our domestic violence laws can't extend to men. I don't even know that they don't Will. I'd have to Google it. Obviously you can't have men....trans or otherwise in women's refuges but that isn't to say they can't have their own safe spaces. . .

[Leonard Hatred]

"Willtell Furnish us with examples of Muslims drinking alcohol, eating bacon sandwiches and being gay."

[Willtell]

Debs No-one is suggesting scrapping any laws. Only that changing violence laws to favour women can't really be achieved without misandry (opposite of Mysogeny. I had to look it up!). If you have a good suggestion Debs we'd love to hear what it is without invoking misandry?

[only1billybonds]

"No one is saying its logical debs, its not right but that dont change the facts. Is there one of these stabby cunts thinking, hold on, better not chop him up, its against the law. Of course we need laws but to a certain type of person,they might as well not be there."