NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[Grumpster]

More niners fans there than the millwall equivalent seahawks, goodnight you useless sluts.

Can roll this terrible division now, though probably after losing the next game against the chiefs and getting the injured lads back.

[Grumpster]

See what happens, but an unbelievable call from the officials just into the 4th which was such an obvious fuck up from the original call and should have resulted in a niners ball from the redzone.

If not corrupt, they need to stop letting stevie wonder be a ref

Dominated 6 games and could end up 2-4, someone's making some bad calls somewhere!!!

And yeah fuck the seahawks, utter utter cunts.

And you Joe C

[El Scorchio]

Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the Cowboys head coach and Ange at the spuds ?

Both cunts that coach utter cսnt teams? Absolutely.

[Takashi Miike]

Zeb, I know he's struggled in Carolina but Bryce Young would be perfect for the receivers you have. No idea why they're not trying to bring in a QB, very strange but if it continues will get Mcdaniels also fired

[zebthecat]

Good point TM..
There is nothing wrong with the Jets Defence at all and the situation with the offence is entirely down to the decisions of Hackett and the GM (whose name escapes me).The O-line is appalling and the Jets have a roster of receivers who can't catch.Lazard, in particular, had a complete shocker last time out.
My Dolphins are in a deep hole as well. Having both backup QBs completely unsuited to the offensive scheme with the entirely predictable long lay off for Tua is baffling. What is the point of having a stacked set of receivers when neither backup is capable of throwing deep especially when the RBs are going down like flies?
Watching Ven Ginkel tearing it up for the Vikings makes me weep as well.
 

[southbankbornnbred]

Sure, there's a school of thought that says "Saleh was a defensive coach and the Jets defense has been excellent - and it's the offense that's misfiring". Because all of that is true.

But I keep repeating: Saleh was the head coach, not the DC. Under his "leadership" of the team, the offense was getting worse despite a big investment (Rodgers, Hall, Wilson, Lazard, big money spent on the line etc). One reason for that was certainly Nate Hackett, the OC. But another reason was that the highest-paid coach on the staff, and supposed team leader, had absolutely no idea what an offense was, how to fix problems (Lazard, for example, can't catch a cold at the moment), or how to get more out of offensive players, coaches and situations. You don't need to be an offensive mind to do that - but you need to know what a good offensive mind looks like.

Saleh was a superb DC struggling to be a head coach and he never took responsibility for losses - something the players grew tired of. After the loss to the Vikings, linebacker Quincy Williams said there were people at the club who needed to "start taking accountability" for performances. "People get tired of hearing the same thing every week," he added. It's pretty obvious who he was referring to.

We could have sacked Hackett as OC, and still might. He is a problem. But it risks pissing off Rodgers - which the Jets' owners literally cannot afford. But if they did that and Saleh continued to know absolutely nothing about offense, and therefore wasn't able to monitor his coaches on that side of the ball, you'd still have the same structural problem.

They should effectively let Rodgers call offensive plays at the line, and use Hackett as a loose playbook guy. Give Rodgers enough rope to hang himself - or thrive - before he retires. Then he can't moan that he was given a chance.

It's not ideal, but it's probably the only way to get through this season - after which Rodgers is gone and we can start again. Never forget, Saleh was 20-36 as a head coach and lost almost twice as many games as he won. He'll bounce back, but he needs to learn some lessons to become a HC again.
 

[Takashi Miike]

[Frankie Pankie]

For the 1st time since the Rex/Sanchez days the Jets are being taken seriously and Woody Johnson is not seeing it coming from Salah.

I agree with the firing, I do thing it should have been done last year and Bill or Pete Carroll brought in just to make sure it went right. 

a 2-3 season which should easily be 4-1 

[Gaffer58]

Has anyone else noticed the similarities between the Cowboys head coach and Ange at the spuds ?

[southbankbornnbred]

SB, but if they were being fair and not disingenuous, Hackett would be gone too. He isn't, so Saleh's firing is bullshit and they're trying to polish a turd. What he (the owner) should do is immediately sell the franchise and give the fans some hope, because he and the GM haven't got a fucking clue what they're doing

Amen to that. But the chances of Woody selling one of the most lucrative franchises in all of sport are pretty low. We make shitloads of money, because we're in New York, despite being utterly hopeless. And it's a prestige thing for the baby oil vendors, isn't it? I suspect Woody wants to run for mayor, too, following his stint as Trump's UK ambassador.

[southbankbornnbred]

I do agree with you about the broad Rodgers, Hackett point though, TM. 

Gut feeling is that it will all end with a damp squib this season. We'll probably win a few games, and threaten a revival, but fall short. Then everybody - Rodgers, Hackett, Ulbrich and Douglas - will be on the chopping block.

Can envisage that the Jets will be starting from scratch, yet again, in January.

But let's see. Maybe Ulbrich will get the formula right.
 

[Takashi Miike]

SB, but if they were being fair and not disingenuous, Hackett would be gone too. He isn't, so Saleh's firing is bullshit and they're trying to polish a turd. What he (the owner) should do is immediately sell the franchise and give the fans some hope, because he and the GM haven't got a fucking clue what they're doing

[southbankbornnbred]

But, in all fairness TM, Saleh had at least some say in those acquisitions and appointments. Sure, it was the owners who mostly wanted Rodgers - there's no doubt about that. But they spoke with Saleh about acquiring both Rodgers and Hackett (at least, that's what they said at the time). Saleh could see we were struggling at QB and on offense generally, so probably went along with it.

My guess is that Saleh has always understood that he doesn't get the offense. So he probably saw the owners' fixation with Rodgers (and, through Rodgers, Hackett) as an 'easy' way of upgrading the offense without him having to learn anything.

But the bottom line is that if you want to have a HC job, and be paid a HC's salary, you've got to work to be more than "just" an excellent defensive co-ordinator. You've got to make the effort to become a head coach - in whatever management form that takes. You can't wait until season 4 to attend an offensive meeting.

[Takashi Miike]

"But he wasn’t up to the job."

in regard to total yards conceded this season, you're ranked second in the NFL. so, for what saleh specialises in, he couldn't have done a better job yet for some strange reason the useless fucking offensive coordinator and the cսnt that hired him are still being paid? it's amazing, but is a symptom of hiring that prima donna prick throwing the football. don't dare fire aaron's friend from green bay, or the minge that hired both

[El Scorchio]

It's funny that he was one of the subjects on Sky's secrets of success doc alongside people like Jurgen Klopp and Toto Wolff....

[southbankbornnbred]

Just reading some of the better informed background on Saleh and the Jets.

You know, he never attended a bespoke offense team meeting until this season? Which I find absolutely remarkable for a head coach. And that’s why he failed and got sacked.

I wouldn’t expect a DC to be a good offensive mind when stepping up as head coach. But you’ve got to engage with it. Sure, you might appoint your OC or assistant HC to call offensive plays and, of course, to coach your offense. But you have to make some effort to know that side of the ball - even if it’s just to understand the coaches, style and playbook.

I like Rob Saleh, and he will coach some exceptional defensive units again. But he wasn’t ready to be a head coach.

All the puff about the Palestinian flag, and rows with Rodgers etc, may have contributed a little to the timing of his demise. But he wasn’t up to the job.

Would not be surprised if Ulbrich has been temporarily promoted on the condition that Rodgers pretty much runs the offense. He already tells Hackett what to do.

This is why I didn’t want Rodgers, despite his talent. Douglas and Saleh were building something. Saleh just needed to get a grip on offense two seasons ago, and never did.

[southbankbornnbred]

As Pete Carroll showed, though, you can come back from getting sacked by the Jets.

The Jets are great, because of the fans. But there’s so much wrong with the franchise that it’s not all on somebody who was obviously a struggling HC.

Saleh knew less than zero about the offensive side of things, or the people who can coach it. After three and a bit seasons. But he will walk into a top-tier defensive job.

[southbankbornnbred]

Long way to go in this season, but it’s feeling like yet another write-off at this point. And we’re only 2-3.

It’s showbiz, though.

[southbankbornnbred]

Yeah, Saleh has been sacked.

Too much to say, but he is basically an excellent defensive co-ordinator. Not (yet) a head coach. He has a lot to improve on - including taking responsibility for performances.

But there were also tensions between Saleh and Hackett (who surely has to go, too: he’s even worse), Rodgers (who will be gone at the end of the season), and the owners (who are THE biggest problem in New York).

Bad owners put the wrong guy in charge of the club. Where have us West Ham fans heard that scenario many times in the past?

The only “top table” guy who does a decent job at the Jets is Joe Douglas, the GM. And the owners have over-ruled him on occasions, too.

Somebody will pick up a top-class defensive mind in Rob Saleh. Just don’t put him in charge: he needs to report to somebody.

And on it goes in Gotham…

[southbankbornnbred]

Hahaha! Trunds - don’t get me fecking started!

[Lee Trundle]

[Lee Trundle]

Excellent decision.

Keep politics out of sport.

[Joe C]

Saleh sacked according to Adam Schefter

[Far Cough UKunt]

Sbbb, just been looking at New York Jets in the Pro Football Hall of Fame:

You have of the ones I recognise:
Joe Namath
Joe Klecko
John Riggins
Ronnie Lott
Brett Favre
Art Monk
Bill Parcells

Surely only Joe Namath and Joe Klecko are in because of their outstanding Jets career?
Or have I got it wrong?

Mind you we Vikings have a few as well including Brett Favre.

The Vikings have of the ones I know of:
Morten Andersen
Brett Favre
Jan Stenerud
Warren Moon

Got in the Pro Football Hall of Fame with other teams

[Far Cough UKunt]

Sbbb, just been looking at New York Jets in the Pro Football Hall of Fame:

You have of the ones I recognise:
Joe Namath
Joe Klecko
John Riggins
Ronnie Lott
Brett Favre
Art Monk
Bill Parcells

Surely only Joe Namath and Joe Klecko are in because of their outstanding Jets career?
Or have I got it wrong?

Mind you we Vikings have a few as well including Brett Favre.