Phall Throw 1:23 Tue Jun 11
Euro 2024
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We seem to have an England v Bosnia thread but not an actual Euro 2024 thread so here it is
So, do we realistically think England can win it? On paper we obviously have a very talented squad but I just don't see us going all the way. For me it's "same old" when it comes to England. Breeze the group, favourable draw in last 16 and win then up against far superior opposition in the QFs and out. At best I can see us at the SF stage before being beaten again.
Winners for me:
France, Portugal, Spain
Dark horses:
Germany - even though it's a home tournament they've been in a consolidation period, could go close
Biggest flops:
Scotland - no goals scored
Top goalscorer:
Mbappe
I'm just hoping it's a decent tournament with plenty of decent games that's not ruined by VAR (are they using it?)
consolidation period but could go close
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Nutsin
5:39 Sat Jun 29
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I’d like to see a leader emerge and show some fucking passion for the shirt.
Yeah Southgate has his fair share of blame but let’s not ignore the players.
Nobody has shown up yet, Rice needs to show something and so do the others. Who the fuck is the captain?
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Alfs
4:38 Sat Jun 29
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I'm Welsh, but as we're out, am supporting England.
I just don't get it. All f the pundits and journos are saying the same thing re Bellingham and Foden, yet he persists in playing both but won't play Bellingham next to Rice, and Foden as the 10.
Also, Watkins offered so much more than Kane in the few minutes he's played.
If Pep were the manager I think you could win it, but Waistcoat is like Moyes. Stubborn, too careful, and unimaginative. .
I've stuck £50 on Spain and am quietly confident. They play with flair and bravado.
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Sir Alf
2:30 Sat Jun 29
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He will pick the “busted flush”’, overrated ( at international level ) Kane and continue playing Bellingham and Foden in roles where they get in eachother’s way. Mainoo might help in the middle but the fundamental dysfunction will comtinue.
Watkins has to start but wont. Palmer will be the media answer to thenew messiah and saviour. Southgate wlll introduce him for Saka about 70 mins. Bowen wont play another minute. He’s not at a rich 6 club and is “Brian”’and not the messiah :-)
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Texas Iron
1:01 Sat Jun 29
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Waistcoat has expired…should have been replaced sooner…
Our only hope is a dressing room revolt with key players leading it and pushing new line ups…
Can’t see it happening as he’s got them all hoodwinked…with his vanilla no energy approach…
Mr Vanilla Waistcoat has zero motivational or leadership skills…
They don’t even huddle before kickoff…
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chevy chase
10:29 Fri Jun 28
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Nothing will change. Same set up next game. This prick won’t realise that nobody wants him after this.
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Sir Alf
7:25 Thu Jun 27
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Kane has never produced at a major tournament other than pens and the odd goal in early league format part of proceedings. Against the better teams he’s always been largely anonymous unless playing deep to get involved. He can play in a pair wth a fast partner and wide players getting ahead of him. This set up allows him space and time and chances. But he’s ever going to lead the line or be a target man. Score board fans point to the goals scored record but a lot of those are pens and most scored in qualifying. A flat track bully that is at the end of his international career imo.
But Southgate is an average manager and was not an elite player and is in awe of the rich team players he’s in charge of and will never make a decision for team effectiveness by dropping Kane, Bellingham, Foden, and even Saka from the starting line up. Palmer or Bowen should start but it will be the former because he’s at a rich 6 club and comes from another’s academy ( Citeh). Much harder starting games than 20 min cameos at theend when defenders are tired so if the unthnkeable happens and Palmer replaces Saka he may not be the “new messiah” the media claim he is.
But Kane needs to be replaced by Watkins who has pace and movement. Bellingham tried deeper and Foden centrally with Gordon left ( wide left player in his best position) .
Wont happen though so no surprise if we go out before the semis on pens in another bore draw
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Takashi Miike
3:20 Thu Jun 27
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he's created so many problems with his had decisions. giving kane the armband being the biggest, but also his rigidity in formation and needing a partner for rice. in doing this he's denied us proper width down the left and forced one of our best creative players out of position. it reminds me of the england managers that forced gerrard, lampard and scholes in to the team with usually paul chucked out wide. the easiest solution, but one he won't dare do is drop bellingham or foden. that's if he has to keep having the babysitter for rice. of course he could ask young jude to do more and play a bit deeper but then that shits all over his original formation decisions, and from what I've seen he's as stubborn as the jock cunt moyes. he's played the victim card all week. no, I pretty much predict more of the same. possibly one change (mainoo for gallagher) and him reacting rather than being proactive and starting with the right team
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LeroysBoots
1:49 Thu Jun 27
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It's absolutely pointless saying what teams we should have, he won't change it, full stop
He believes what he is doing is right
It will only take a full on assault from the top brass at the FA for him to bow to the baying mob and make those wholesale changes needed
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Manuel
1:49 Thu Jun 27
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El - Yep, all very fair and well made points.
What I will say is any game against say Italy or Holland will be very close, maybe even pens, and I do believe that against better oppo we will step up, whether that is good enough to win games is another matter, but I don't see a better side brushing past us if that makes sense.
Our eventual undoing could well be persisting with old man Kane, the bloke looks shot, no movement, no goal threat and no pace. I do have some sympathy with Southgate with this though as I don't think any England manager would leave him out, even more so considering he's the captain, but what needs to happen is if he isn't getting any better he needs to come off after 60 mins.
Agree that if we are to win this or get to the final it's now looking more likely that it will be a grind, a bit like Greece 2004 and Portugal in 16, for whatever reason our flair players just can't produce in an England shirt, and that goes back long before Southgate too.
Initially I wanted to play Holland next as it would be a great match up and found it slightly annoying that Southgate keeps getting lucky with paths opening up for him, but on reflection I'm quite glad now we have a joke nation like Slovakia, going out in the last 16 would have been a complete disaster and would have lost interest in the tournament, but at least this way we can have six days of build up and a QF to look forward to next weekend. Wouldn't be surprised if Swiss v Italy goes to pens. Swiss knocked out France out the last Euro's on pens.
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Manuel
1:47 Thu Jun 27
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El - Yep, all very fair and well made points.
What I will say is any game against say Italy or Holland will be very close, maybe even pens, and I do believe that against better oppo we will step up, whether that is good enough to win games is another matter, but I don't see a better side brushing past us if that makes sense.
Our eventual undoing could well be persisting with old man Kane, the bloke looks shot, no movement, no goal threat and no pace. I do have some sympathy with Southgate with this though as I don't think any England manager would leave him out, even more so considering he's the captain, but what needs to happen is if he isn't getting any better he needs to come off after 60 mins.
Agree that if we are to win this or get to the final it's now looking more likely that it will be a grind, a bit like Greece 2004 and Portugal in 16, for whatever reason our flair players just can't produce in an England shirt, and that goes back long before Southgate too.
Initially I wanted to play Holland next as it would be a great match up and found it slightly annoying that Southgate keeps getting lucky with paths opening up for him, but on reflection I'm quite glad now we have a joke nation like Slovakia, going out in the last 16 would have been a complete disaster and would have lost interest in the tournament, but at least this way we can have six days of build up and a QF to look forward to next weekend. Wouldn't be surprised if Swiss v Italy goes to pens. Swiss knocked out France out the last Euro's on pens.
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Massive Attack
1:35 Thu Jun 27
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Gutted for the Czechs who I felt were being harshly treated by a card happy Ref who was booking all and sundry, including a soft red card early in the 1st half. They fought so well to get back in to the game typified by the excellent Soucek who yet again scores their only goal even though they were down to 10 men. Thought Coufal also had a decent game and deserved better but the Ref spoilt their chance of going through.
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El Scorchio
12:31 Thu Jun 27
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Manuel 5:51
I do. Don’t get me wrong I’d love to be wrong and for us to at least get the final and with this draw we really ought to but unless there’s a serious uptick in our play then I can’t really see us getting past the first decent team we come across.
Sure italy look pretty ordinary/poor as well but they can be absolute grinders and with their defence you can easily see them stifling us to a 0-0 or even a late 1-0 to them. There’s a reason they’ve been so successful in tournament football. We haven’t even been seriously tested at the back yet due to the piss poor quality of the teams we’ve faced.
I’d fancy us a bit more against the Swiss but even they look a fair sight livelier than us and if they come into a match after having beat Germany and Italy, then well.
Maybe we can be the grinders but I don’t think our defence is strong enough for that. There’s a rickett in there particularly with a right footer at left back (fuck you southgate)
We now just have to hope that plugging Cole palmer into his shitty system is a magic bullet somehow.
At least thanks to Georgia we were gifted this game against Slovakia. Southgate’s one last chance to change his stubborn negative mindset and get it right before it turns into serious business, and before he loses his job I suspect.
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Fauxstralian
12:10 Thu Jun 27
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Portugal (who put a weakened team out), Spain & Germany AND Austria have been impressive but it’s all about building through the tournament… and getting a good draw
Still time for England & France though
Englands draw is a major bonus
SHOULD beat Slovakia & Italy particularly haven’t looked the goods
Even the potential semi final would probably see them as favourites
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chevy chase
9:01 Thu Jun 27
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Think we can’t seem to break teams down when they sit back. Slovakia will be more of the same. Reckon we’d be better off playing the bigger sides who have a go.
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jfk
6:27 Thu Jun 27
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Didn’t bother watching our game last night dodged a bullet apparently,
Czech’s were well unlucky to go down to 10 early think they would have beaten the Turkish otherwise.Ref dished out 14 yellows apparently???
Germany win the tournament they look miles better than anyone else although early days still.
Home advantage will see them through.
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Manuel
5:51 Thu Jun 27
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Yep, Southgate gets lucky again, although the likes of Italy and The Netherlands is hardly a pushover.
El - When you say you expect us to go out in the QF I doubt you really mean that? Yes we have been shit, but we could yet still get our house in order, IF we do we will beat Netherlands/Italy, both are very average and Koeman is a bigger clown than Southgate.
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Manuel
5:51 Thu Jun 27
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Yep, Southgate gets lucky again, although the likes of Italy and The Netherlands is hardly a pushover.
El - When you say you expect us to go out in the QF I doubt you really mean that? Yes we have been shit, but we could yet still get our house in order, IF we do we will beat Netherlands/Italy, both are very average and Koeman is a bigger clown than Southgate.
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El Scorchio
2:28 Thu Jun 27
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Unbelievable luck in that draw there. Southgate is absolutely blessed.
I expect us to bow out in the quarter finals but let’s face it with the squad we have that’s a free pass to the final. Just a shame about the man in charge.
Yup palmer is now the anointed one. So he will just start on the left wing with mainoo starting the only change to the last game.
If he puts palmer central then I’ll know for sure it’s something personal about foden. It can’t be anything else with how obstinate he’s been in marginalising him for the last four years. Bowen through doing nothing wrong at all has now fallen behind palmer and Gordon in the pecking order which is a huge shame.
However. Now is the time for Southgate to put the big boy pants on and get this squad to click and play to something like their potential. Don’t care how he does it but he’s got a fucking golden opportunity here.
For me it’s got to be
Rice
Bellingham
Palmer (seen as foden isn’t there)
Gordon
Kane
Saka
Unless he takes Ian Wrights mental advice and puts Saka at left back. Never mind the attacking positions. The decision which will kill us is not taking a fit left back unless shaw can somehow slip in like he hasn’t been out of the game for four months.
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Sydney_Iron
2:05 Thu Jun 27
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England's opponents are now
R16 – Slovakia
QF – Italy or Switzerland
SF – most likely Austria or Netherlands
This reminds me of the 2018 WC, England were pretty awful in the group back then but rewarded by what looked looked a very easy draw to the final, Gareth certainly has the midas touch when it comes to the draw in big tournaments!
Slovakia are no push over but you would think it shouldn't be that hard for England to dominate and control that game, lets hope we DONT get an early goal, as that's when it often turns to custard as we look like we are reverting to sitting back and defending that single goal rather than go for a second, ala Serbia game!!! Italy in Euro final, Croatia in WC...........etc etc
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Dwight Van Mann
9:49 Wed Jun 26
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England are now the bookies favourite to win the tournament!!
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frank_booth
8:12 Wed Jun 26
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maverick180 11:52 Wed Jun 26
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The problem is that Jude Bellingham is the most overrated player of all time, and the whole team is being built around him
I'd say that's Cole Palmer. His sub appearance was no better than Bowen's against Serbia but he is now the second coming? It's like no matter how good or how shit he does, it's the best thing ever. Whatever, play him all you want. But you can't have three fucking CAM's who all want to play in the same space as your midfield. But if Foden doesn't come back, that should the Waistcoats decision for him:
Bellingham - Rice
Bowen/Saka - Palmer - Gordon
But let's be honest, Bowen isn't seeing another minute at this tournament. Non-league to the European Championships? Don't give a fuck, mate, it's all about Palmer.
I think Bellingham is class, but he's not been the same since his injury. Strolled through the last 1/3 of the season and I genuinely think he's fucked. I would drop him and have Foden in the 10.
And Austria have been my favourite team to watch so far. If we don't, would love it if they won the thing.
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