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Phall Throw 1:23 Tue Jun 11
Euro 2024

We seem to have an England v Bosnia thread but not an actual Euro 2024 thread so here it is

So, do we realistically think England can win it? On paper we obviously have a very talented squad but I just don't see us going all the way. For me it's "same old" when it comes to England. Breeze the group, favourable draw in last 16 and win then up against far superior opposition in the QFs and out. At best I can see us at the SF stage before being beaten again.

Winners for me:

France, Portugal, Spain

Dark horses:

Germany - even though it's a home tournament they've been in a consolidation period, could go close

Biggest flops:

Scotland - no goals scored

Top goalscorer:

Mbappe

I'm just hoping it's a decent tournament with plenty of decent games that's not ruined by VAR (are they using it?)




consolidation period but could go close

Sir Alf 3:02 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

Basic tactical and selection issues remain. Bellinghams individual skill saved Southgate from facing the truth of his tactical ineptitude imo

Kane is finished at internatonal level. Too slow and old. Got in the right position I suppose but his presence provides no focal point upfront and severely limits us tk tippy tappy as he has no pace or movement. At yhe very least he has to be substituted. Watkins or false 9, as Bellingham is used to at Madrid would be more effective I reckon?

The Foden wide left idea is an abject failure and Belingham either pmays as he does as a false 9 or drops deeper to alliw Foden to oorrate centrally. The holy trinity of Bellers, Foden and Kane is now a self imposed straight jacket.

Unlike the Slovaks I expect the well organised, athletic Swiss will expose Southgate’s myopic tactics.

But at least we csn have another night on the beer this Saturday :-)

boleyn8420 2:54 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

Manuel. I have no interest in getting into a row with a keyboard warrior. I have a different take on the situation than you. If want to think i am taking utter fucking bollocks than that's up to you. However, my take on your comments equal the same. So we will call it a draw.

Manuel 2:15 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

miike - Agree there is this victim element now in place, we have seen a return to the 'dark' days with England managers with the media and the fans, but all i said was I didn't have a problem with him (in his mind) justifying leaving Kane on. This has got ugly now and will clearly be his last tournament even if we manager to do a Greece and grind out a win.

El Scorchio 2:11 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

That's just what it's like these days though when faced with criticism. It happens in the world of TV and film al the time as well.

When there's honest criticism of things like terrible writing, acting or plot, the deflection just kicks in right away and instead of being introspective and thinking they could somehow do a better job, it's just 'Well you are a toxic fanbase and it's you who is the problem, not us.' That's absolutely crept into this England squad since the Slovenia game with the soundytes and responses coming out of the camp.

Social media is partly to blame because it does give idiots a mouthpiece but it just seems to be the modern way that instead of thinking abut what you could do better when faced with adversity, you just turn it round onto the fans and start saying they're the problem and everything you're doing is just great.

Classic deflection. Never going to be any change with an attitude like tht.

Manuel 2:07 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

boleyn - As I said, he's no doubt heard some people want Kane left out and I've seen a few say Bellingham too, so in his mind had he listened to them we'd be out now, it's no more or no less than that. He's a stubborn cunt yes and too loyal to some players, but he's not woefully out of his depth as he had a good record. Also don't agree at all that the players put a minimum amount of effort in, utter nonsense, I literally haven't seen that said anywhere but from you. Yes we've been shit yes, but there's not been a lack of effort, you think these players are representing England in a tournament and not giving their best effort? To be honest, and let me be clear, you are spouting absolute fucking bollocks, fella, and have let your hate for Southgate get to you.

Takashi Miike 1:57 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

manuel, but again I go back to the lack of real leadership and that cunt southgate should be setting an example. this victim narrative, where they can't be criticised has been created by one person. he should be looking at himself in a mirror and realising he's got it fucking wrong four games on the spin, rather than digging out journalists, pundits and the fans. I don't expect anything different though from a cunt that cashed in on the fans misery in 96 by filming a pizza advert

boleyn8420 1:53 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

I really don't care whether Southgate 'gives a bit back' at all that's his prerogative, what I was getting at, as another poster put earlier, is the justification in his words and whining voice that his methods work. And we can now look forward to the twat trying to shoehorn in players into his 'system' and maintain the status quo, again. He is so woefully out of his depth that I am amazed the players stand up for him. On second thoughts I'm not, he allows them to get away with the minimum amount of effort and probably panders to them left right and centre. Easy life.

RootsRadical 1:53 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

Kudus is better than Bellingham and his overhead kick against City was better too.

Commentator saying "that's why he plays for Real Madrid" after he scored yesterday as if no one else has ever scored one.

Manuel 1:49 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

miike - What Bellingham said was ''worse'' than what Southgate said, plus IMO the manager has more right to give a bit back. I reckon the angry Brummie has did that off his own back. Maybe just as well he plays in Spain and we don't see him much, as he's certainly an unlikeable cunt.

1964 1:45 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

"Yup, Bellingham has been shit for 99% of the time in this tournament. Great goal but now it’s already been massively overhyped"

Spot on, headline on the BBC: "That goal will go down in History"

Really

Takashi Miike 1:41 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

"and I don't have a problem with him giving a bit back"

what you write there are the exact words spouted by Bellingham in the post match interviews. that's only coming from one place and clearly a narrative allowed by that long faced politician in charge. It's either southgate using these victim words, or they're originating from Bellingham himself and that's an even bigger problem. he needs bringing down a peg or two if he thinks he can't be criticised or the sport revolves around him

Manuel 1:34 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

boleyn - Southgate's 'that's why you keep players on' line was a little cheeky considering how shit we have been, but I assume he's heard some saying the likes of Kane should be dropped, so in his eyes with Kane getting the winner he's justified himself by leaving him on and I don't have a problem with him giving a bit back, or do you think it should only be a one way street?

Takashi Miike 1:30 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

*bang average*


it was like a carbon copy of moyes last night. that gormless cunt frozen on the touchline not knowing what to do. he didn't bring Toney on (who had an instant impact) until stoppage time. like that jock bastard, he also takes an age to make the changes, sometimes ten minutes they're standing their whole he tucks about with his notepad and that clown holland. it clearly passed him by that we only got control of the game last night when we committed more players forward, yet as soon as we got the lead he reverted to his original set up by bringing on Gallagher and we're then defending for the last fifteen minutes. also that selfish cunt saka, clearly asked to do a job at LB, yet refuses to play for the team and drifts back to the right. there's no leadership from the manager, he wants to be their friend and it's clear there's cliques and favouritism

El Scorchio 1:25 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

Yup, Bellingham has been shit for 99% of the time in this tournament. Great goal but now it’s already been massively overhyped papered over all the cracks and TBH I didn’t really like the celebrations of that goal or at the final whistle. I honestly don’t see a lot to be proud of at all and nor would a team with serious aspirations of winning. Yes of course it was a huge moment of relief but it’s a bit embarrassing to give it the big I Am after what we’ve just witnessed. I’d have liked a bit of contrition from the players and much more ‘we must do better’.

There’s no way we will transform it or change anything against Switzerland. Southgate will just see this as vindication of his ‘methods’ and we will get the same starting line up as we did yesterday all in the same positions, unless Trippier is injured and replaced likely with another right footer. I don’t know how many more opportunities Southgate wants before he learns something. We are miles off even Georgia in terms of functioning as a cohesive unit and anyone with real quality will wipe the floor with us. Saying that I refuse to believe we can play as badly as individuals again. However clearly the ‘second comings’ Mainoo and Palmer aren’t the answer as we are still shit when either is plugged into the ‘system’. This is deeper than individual players. It’s the whole philosophy and identity of the team. He must be the worst, most cautious and negative and yet stubborn coach at the competition.

The whole nation is now witnessing what it’s like to watch Moyes-esque football. And he’s not a bad bloke either. I actually started to feel a bit sorry for him in the last few mins of normal time when I thought about all the vitriol and ridicule he was going to face because it would have been Schteve levels. Graham Taylor levels and as a person he doesn’t deserve that especially after Euro 96, but as a manager unless he wins the tournament he’s picked his hill to die on and dug his own grave now. 100% England is looking for a new manager after this tournament, whether he resigns in defeat or somehow in glory.


Anyway…

Takashi Miike 1:23 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

only in clown world can you have a fake Aussie cunt in a kilt policing actual English fans about an England player. bellingham has been hang average for four games, and I agree with ron that he can fuck off with his "Who Else?" shit.

boleyn8420 1:14 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

The most annoying thing out of all of that (obviously happy we won) was that absolute cunt Southgate trying to justify his total inability to coach at this level with his 'thats why you leave players on when everyone is clamouring for change' Well against the Swiss he has to make at least one change, other than the one he does next to Rice, as Gheui is suspended. I never have or ever will like or think Southgate is equipped for this role. Just an FA yes man. Still lets hope we can beat the Swiss, we may get 3 shots this game. It really is like watching Moyes at International level.

Side of Ham 12:51 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

Look at McSvender trying to be one of us English folk…..and fucking it up…..

Ron Eff 12:33 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

The media didn’t tee up his “who else?” arrogance, Faux. He also has a habit of leaving something on someone after play has stopped. Needs to grow up a bit.

Manuel 12:27 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

I agree with pretty much all that Ronald, Bellingham is a bit of a dick. Not the best player in the world either, that would be Mbappe.

Fauxstralian 12:16 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

Perhaps the turgid unimaginative ‘journalists’ should stop asking banal shit like who writes your scripts?
He is a smart kid which is probably a disadvantage in dealing with the press

As I said he looks frustrated with what he is being asked to do and obviously other teams are trying to wind him up
Needs to calm down a bit to avoid red

Gary Strodders shank 12:15 Mon Jul 1
Re: Euro 2024

Far Clough

Odegaard at Arsenal who is also Norway's captain and highly regarded in the role.

Rice coming in was not going to displace him.

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