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Q: 2021/22 What competition should we prioritise this season?
a. The league is our bread & butter, so this year let's have a club sandwich
b. We're owed an FA Cup after Gerrard nicked our last one in 06, our name's on it in 22
c. A bye to the League Cup 3rd round gives us a good start, let's make it count
d. The Europa is our best ticket to the Champions League, this is the one
e. What's wrong with you, let's do the lot, has the quadruple ever been done

crystal falace 9:51 Thu Mar 10
NFL (since 2016)
Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent.

Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB,

Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt.

lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all.

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southbankbornnbred 5:12 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Yeah, there just hasn't been any co-ordination between Saleh and Ulbrich as DC.

Ulbrich spent a brief period working with Saleh at Seattle in 2011.

Saleh landed the Jets job on the back of his good work as DC in Frisco, so you'd think THAT's the defensive model the Jets believed they were buying into/recruiting. Yet Saleh took an early decision to be very hands off with the defense, so Ulbrich is calling plays based on his few months in Gotham and his sketchy understanding of what Saleh wants - but with little game-day input from Saleh.

It's just not working. Saleh needed to be more hands-on with his DC/defense from Day 1. Get that side of the ball right as a HC and you'd buy yourself a LOT of time while learning the rest of the role. He can quickly learn that lesson and correct his poor judgement on his lack of involvement.

Instead, our new defensive-minded HC became the first Jets HC in 26 years to ship 50+ points. And we haven't had a single interception in the first six games.

The two of them need to go back to basics and work this out. And don't get me started on the offense...not a single point scored in the first quarter in any of the six games...we've been outscored 44-0 in Q1.

It's hard to judge any HC after six games. But they say any new HC gets 34 games to prove themselves (two seasons). Well, Saleh is into game seven next week...and we still look like a team having a nervous breakdown at the moment...

Takashi Miike 3:21 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
I looked up your DC, Ulbrich. he was in Seattle with Saleh in 2011, I'm not saying he isn't competent but he may have been better getting a vet to ease him through this initial shit

I love jack del rio, but he decided in the spring to rejig the secondary and play a zone coverage scheme which relies on our highly rated d-line getting constant pressure on the opposing QB. that hasn't happened, and results have been poor. yesterday he decided to play more man coverage and you could see improvements, though it's slow progress. it may take another year for us :.(

southbankbornnbred 2:45 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
I would still have appointed a gnarled old fucker as Jets head coach.

We've always been better when we've had a head coach who has been around the block a bit: Ewbank (Super Bowl winner), Walton & Michaels (Sack Exchange coaches), Parcells and even Rex.

A big part of it is that older guys know to avoid the obvious mistakes and also generally have reached a stage where they don't give a shit about New York's aggressive and intrusive media, which always creates pressure on young coaches.

southbankbornnbred 2:36 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
TM - totally agree: there's a real lack of grey hairs on the Jets' coaching staff.

The risk with that is that inexperienced guys like Saleh and LaFleur are doomed to repeat all the mistakes of past coaches because, in their respective roles, they have no experience of what works and what doesn't.

Incredibly, we've got worse since Gase departed. Now, given how bad Gase was for two years, I'm quite sure that Saleh will end up on a level above TIG. Hopefully, there will be a "J-curve" effect while youngsters learn their roles.

But Saleh has already made some poor decisions and said some stupid things in post-game analysis, which even he can't believe. He needs to buck his ideas up - and get a little more hands-on and agressive (on defense) than he has been. More experienced guys than him, now in commentary or punditry, have observed that he's started off down the wrong road...it's not too late to correct that...but he has to show a willingness to do it: or he'll suffer the same fate as so many co-ordinators who step up...

El Scorchio 1:52 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Takashi Miike 1:16

Lighten up.

Takashi Miike 1:28 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
SB, I was more referring to what mcvey did when he left us and employed wade phillips as DC. I know they fell short of winning a superbowl but I think it was wise having someone that experienced to lean on during those first couple of years

Takashi Miike 1:16 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
El Scorchio 12:15 Mon Oct 25

not sure what the fuck you're talking about, I don't think I've once called for Rivera to go

southbankbornnbred 12:31 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Worryingly, Saleh looked terrified facing the New York media after the game. He looked and sounded lost - and a bit fearful that they are going to turn on him. Which, seven games into your HC career, does not bode well.

I've seen that look on Jets HC's many times before.

southbankbornnbred 12:28 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)

Don't get me wrong - I'm not criticising anybody on here: the NFL crowd on this board are an informed bunch and generally know their onions.

There's just so much uncertainty about HC appointments in the NFL. The league's history is littered with the graves of good co-ordinators who failed to make the step up to HC. I just hope that Saleh doesn't become another one of the Jets' very long list of those people.

Like many, I was drawn in by his record at San Francisco and his jib when he got the Jets job. And maybe he will turn out to be the right guy. But he has started out down the wrong road - and he needs to quickly reverse some early decisions (particularly around play-calling). He's currently trying to be the sort of coach he has never been - and it has been painful to watch.

It's not on LaFleur - he's too easy a target. It's on Saleh, who appointed him as OC and gave him free rein on offense. We all assumed that was because Saleh was going to be very hands-on with the defense - and then he says he's not going to call plays or have much influence on defense on match-days, either!

Besides, the focus on LaFleur is irrelevent. Yesterday, the Jets shipped 50+ points for the first time since the Rich Kotite era (1995). That's on the defense - and that's on Saleh.

It is early days. But at some point, we have to judge him on what he's delivering. So far, it has been a well-spoken mess. Yesterday was an embarrassment defensively and any self-respecting former DC should react to that with some firm action.

El Scorchio 12:15 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
It is quite extraordinary to watch both TM and SBBB's posts evolve over the course of an NFL season (almost every season without fail) go from the new head coach of the Jets or WFT, whoever they may be, being the man who is definitely going to get the franchise back to winning ways, to an absolute useless bum who needs to be removed as quickly as possible!

Takashi Miike 11:00 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
I didn't rave about him, I just thought he'd be better than gase and seven games is far too early to want another change. It was always questionable going in to your first year coach job and not having someone experienced (worked as a main coordinator in the nfl) calling the plays on offense. Lafleur Jr may turn out to be great, but I think a rookie head coach needs at least one older head on the staff and it doesn't seem he has that on both sides of the ball

southbankbornnbred 10:32 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Be interesting to see what Saleh does now.

If he does not have an ego, and if he knows what's good for the team, then he'll roll his sleeves up, start calling plays and do some frontline work. He clearly had talent as DC in San Francisco - so he must be the better defensive mind on our (thin) coaching roster.

If he's yet another stubborn HC who sticks by his flawed decisions, then we're in for a very long season or two under him before he's smuggled out the back door while yet another coach wanders through the front door.

I've been completely unimpressed by his first six weeks. If I worked with a guy like that, I'd be asking questions about his workload and effort. And I'd hide his moisturiser and head oils to get him away from the mirror.

Mr. Burns 10:30 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
The 49ers 😂

southbankbornnbred 10:25 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Crystal - it's genuinely hard to tell at the moment, because the Jets' fraudulent head coach hasn't provided Wilson with much in the way of protection. And, as a consequence, the kid is now injured.

I like the look of your fella, though, unfortunately. Keeps things very simple and that will always work under BB.

Wilson's injury looks like a problem with the PCL in his knee after another heavy tackle where his O-line failed him. In his first season. You can't learn if you have no protection.

Quite a few folk on here raved about Saleh when he got the job. I was sceptical, because you just don't know until you see them as a leader (plus I felt we needed an offensive HC). But the early signs are that this HC likes the sound of his own voice, and the way he looks in the mirror, a little more than the challenge of actually coaching. He needs to swallow his pride and start calling defensive plays from next week - and then, gradually, start learning at least something about the offensive side of the game.

At the moment, he's trying to be a strategic, co-ordinating CEO-type HC without any experience or knowledge of what that takes.

He's coming across as lazy and clueless, which I'm sure he's not.

crystal falace 2:32 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Mac jones > zach Wilson though SB right? :)

southbankbornnbred 1:54 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
The twonks in the boardroom will give Saleh two seasons at least, I'm sure.

But despite his good record as DC in San Francisco, I was sceptical about his appointment (primarily because it seemed obvious we needed an offensively minded HC, with a new QB etc). My gut feeling was that Saleh didn't yet look or feel like a HC.

We'll give him time, I'm sure. But the early signs are not good. The guy looks like a bit of a lazy fraud at the moment.

southbankbornnbred 1:45 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
And the soppy HC needs to ditch this "I'm not going to shout at the players" crap...some of them need a rocket up their backsides.

They start every game like a group of old women at a bridge table. Every single week. Every game is lost well before half-time.

Somebody needs to cunt him in the bastard. So far he's been the sort of HC who goes around telling everybody he's an NFL HC without actually doing any of the hard work required to succeed. Good players are regressing, bad players are getting worse or giving up...and yet another young QB is devoid of the right guidance. The QB is also now injured.

southbankbornnbred 1:36 Mon Oct 25
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Robert Saleh needs to stop being so fucking lazy, get off his bald, over-groomed meat-chunk ass, start calling some plays and start acting like a fucking head coach.

We have seen absolutely NOTHING from him so far to suggest that he isn't just another good co-ordinator who isn't good enough to make the step up to HC.

The fucking cunt is trying to run before he can walk - he was a defensive co-ordinator and yet, in his first year as a head coach, he isn't even calling defensive plays.

He's not as bad as Gase. But he is beginning to look, and sound, like another Todd Bowles or Mangina. He needs to win at least a couple of games in the second half of this season - and beat at least one half-decent side - to show that he has got some semblance of talent at HC.

At the moment, he's too busy pretending to be a head coach to actually be a head coach. Fucker needs to get his hands dirty.

RBshorty 11:21 Sun Oct 24
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Way to go Cincinnati. Weren't expecting a blow out. And any Jets fans around here. You have my sympathies.

Go G Men

zebthecat 11:09 Sun Oct 24
Re: NFL (since 2016)
The Ravens getting marmalised is the biggest surprise.

zebthecat 11:07 Sun Oct 24
Re: NFL (since 2016)
southbank must be going his nut.
The 'Fins are conspiring to lose the Falcons (sigh).

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