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crystal falace 9:51 Thu Mar 10
NFL (since 2016)

Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent.

Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB,

Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt.

lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all.

southbankbornnbred 10:46 Mon Oct 2
Re: NFL (since 2016)

Another deeply frustrating night for the Jets.

Defense was superb - few sides will play defense better than that this season against Mahomes and Reid's offense.

Even Zach Wilson was playing at the limit of his capacity, and we looked on for an upset win. Then the kid goes and fumbles a basic ball with 7.20 left and Mahomes runs out the clock.

And that's the problem with Wilson. Even when he's having one of his better games - and he did yesterday - his ceiling is still not quite high enough and he makes basic errors.

Hard one to take for the defense, that. They deserved the win, played out of their skins, watched their QB they don't like do well for three quarters - and still he lost them the game when it was on the line.

You've got to think that Wilson will not be the starter for much longer, despite an improved performance last night. Because he just finds new ways to lose.

Hard to know where the season goes now. 1-3 record looks like every Jets season for the past 15 years. Hard to see it being anything different this time around. And, to think, just a few weeks ago some pundits were tipping them as outsiders for the Super Bowl (it wasn't going to happen!).

Nutsin 4:30 Mon Oct 2
Re: NFL (since 2016)

Niners are 4-0. Purdy went 20 of 21
He is legit.

CMC with 4 TD’s is silly.

Aiyuk was on fire.

Cowboys up next. Looking forward to a tough game.

Grumpster 12:09 Mon Oct 2
Re: NFL (since 2016)

McCaffrey is an absolute joke.

Absolutely superb trade he was.

Takashi Miike 11:34 Sun Oct 1
Re: NFL (since 2016)

what a game in philly. sam throwing a touchdown pass with two seconds on the clock to tie things up. ice in his veins

southbankbornnbred 8:02 Fri Sep 29
Re: NFL (since 2016)

Zeb,

Yep, you're right: both of those QBs read the game and make decisions quicker than Wilson ever will.

God knows what Zach must make of Miami's pace right now - he cannot read the game as quickly as that offense runs!

It's no shame on Zach Wilson - although his character and approach has not helped him (hence his team-mates don't like him). Some say he's not really that interested in a lengthy pro career now that he's a multimillionaire. I don't know if that's true, but he can't continue in New York once he's benched for the second time in a brief career. He'll need to do a Geno Smith and rebuild elsewhere, as a back up.

Wilson is just not up to the job as a starter, despite some natural talent. Most QBs who enter the NFL do not make the grade - and the Jets have had more than their fair share of them since the Johnsons took over.

For me, the problems at NYJ start from the top down. I rate Saleh (after a shaky first season) and Douglas (GM). They were putting complex pieces of the jigsaw together before Woody Johnson came back from the UK under Trump, got impatient, and broke the bank for an ageing Aaron Rodgers and his expensive acolytes.

It'll cost the Jets now - possibly for a couple of seasons.

zebthecat 1:02 Fri Sep 29
Re: NFL (since 2016)

You are right southbank.
Compare and contrast with the likes of Tua and Joe Burrow.
The latter two, especially Tua, manage to read the field in less than second. Tua uses quick timing as an asset whereas it has been a necessity for Joe Burrow due to the Bengals porous O-line.
I know both have had a year more in the NFL but they looked like starters immediately massively helped by their teams receivers.

zebthecat 1:00 Fri Sep 29
Re: NFL (since 2016)

You are right southbank.
Compare and contrast with the likes of Tua and Joe Burrow.
The latter two, especially Tua, manage to read the field in less than second. Tua uses quick timing as an asset whereas it has been a necessity for Joe Burrow due to the Bengals porous O-line.
I know both have had a year more in the NFL but they looked like starters immediately massively helped by their teams receivers.

southbankbornnbred 12:41 Fri Sep 29
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Interesting development in Gotham in the past 24 hours.

Very different narrative about Zach Wilson coming from Saleh now. He's now saying he "has to play better", rather than defend him outright - which is what he had done after Sunday.

Clearly, this has come from a players' rebellion. The defense has called out their own (back up) QB as not up to the job.

Wilson will start again on Monday, but my guess is that he will not end that game as the Jets starting QB - unless they are comfortably ahead. And what are the chances of that against Mahomes and Kansas?!

You can feel a benching coming now because 52 players in the locker room have no confidence in him. Again.

I feel a bit sorry for Wilson, even though his attitude stinks. The Jets are notoriously shit at developing QBs and he's just the latest in a long line. People talk about him coming out of a small college etc, but I just think the game is just too quick for him at professional level - in the same way it is too quick for most QBs coming out of college (even big colleges).

Zach is the walking epitome of how you can look great in college, when you have so much more time to throw the football. At that level, at best you have two or three really fast, strong college kids coming at you out of a defensive formation - and that's if you're playing a really good college side. But at professional level, you have 11 doing that. They're bigger, stronger, faster and they read plays much quicker. Play in, play out. So you get milliseconds to make decisions.

And that's why most NFL quarterbacks fail.

southbankbornnbred 12:37 Fri Sep 29
Re: NFL (since 2016)

Interesting development in Gotham in the past 24 hours.

Very different narrative about Zach Wilson coming from Saleh now. He's now saying he "has to play better", rather than defend him outright - which is what he had done after Sunday.

Clearly, this has come from a players' rebellion. The defense has called out their own (back up) QB as not up to the job.

Wilson will start again on Monday, but my guess is that he will not end that game as the Jets starting QB - unless they are comfortably ahead. And what are the chances of that against Mahomes and Kansas?!

You can feel a benching coming now because 52 players in the locker room have no confidence in him. Again.

I feel a bit sorry for Wilson, even though his attitude stinks. The Jets are notoriously shit at developing QBs and he's just the latest in a long line. People talk about him coming out of a small college etc, but I just think the game is just too quick for him at professional level - in the same way it is too quick for most QBs coming out of college (even big colleges).

Zach is the walking epitome of how you can look great in college, when you have so much more time to throw the football. At that level, at best you have two or three really fast, strong college kids coming at you out of a defensive formation - and that's if you're playing a really good college side. But at professional level, you have 11 doing that. They're bigger, stronger, faster and they read plays much quicker. Play in, play out. So you get milliseconds to make decisions.

And that's why most NFL quarterbacks fail.

southbankbornnbred 3:10 Thu Sep 28
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I like our defense. They are a proper unit. They don't really even have a "leader", because they train and hunt as a pack. Play-off standard defense if they stay fit. It's just a shame the QB, O-Line and offensive co-ordinator issues have been a shitshow for a decade.

southbankbornnbred 2:51 Thu Sep 28
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Scorch - yep, totally agree. It has been a brutal reminder for the Jets this season. And a brutal reminder for Jets fans that the people who own the franchise are brutally out of their depth.

They came in last summer and finally threw a shedload of money at a superb, established QB. But probably too late in that QB's career, and with absolutely no idea what sort of negative impact basing your offense, and a large chunk of your coaching staff, around one (older) guy would have.

The Johnsons are not planners. They don't know how to plan. Their usual method is to spend as little as necessary. Then when the fans/media pot starts to boil in New York, they mindlessly throw a load of money at one player (remember, we did something similar with Favre at the very end of his career, too). Because they don't really know how to run a multi-billion dollar sports franchise, and they don't listen hard enough to people like Douglas and Saleh who, in all fairness, do know their way around.

Speaking of which, inevitably, the Jets defense has reportedly turned on Zach Wilson and want him benched in favour of absolutely anybody else at QB. Remember, these are the guys who wore "Mike Fucking White" t-shirts in the locker room last season.

They don't like Zach Wilson's character at all and think he is way out of his depth - which is true. It's turning nasty and I can see Saleh being forced to bench the back-up. You can't risk losing 52 players in the locker room just to try to boost the confidence of 1.

From the defense's perspective, they are reportedly saying "we're holding good teams to 13 points and this QB still can't score enough to win games..."

It's a fair point. Good professionals know when somebody isn't up the job, and nobody (apart from Saleh) is speaking up for Zach Wilson. And the HC has to.

El Scorchio 12:11 Thu Sep 28
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Yup, that sounds about right. He must be in a bit of a quandry about what he wants to do, and for all the talk of him being a selfish dude, he must be pretty cut up and feeling guilty about it.
Agree on the luck thing. I guess as someone gets older they are more prone but to have the achiles go pop on the fourth play is just crazy. As it was to just remodel the team around one guy. At least Cobb and Lazard are decent. But it's a huge shame there's such a gaping hole at QB now. The next QB is NOT on the roster, and it's likely the team isn't bad enough to be in a position to draft him next spring.

There is no sport more chastening than the NFL when the short season finally comes round and it goes brutally in the first couple of weeks. Just rips the spirit out of you.

southbankbornnbred 12:50 Wed Sep 27
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Scorch - my guess is that Rodgers will sit at home taking his gigantic salary this season (less the PRP bonuses). Then he'll make a decision on whether he wants to go through a full rehab, fitness recovery and pre-season again at the age of 40 in order to get ready for next season.

That is probably a 50-50 thing. It's a long way back for him. Some medical experts are saying he will still only be doing very light running in March 2024. The Jets will need to know more by April, ready for the draft.

On the 'bad luck' thing - it is, and it isn't. The freak injury is bad luck, of course. But it is more likely to happen to an older player.

But what is not 'bad luck' is the Jets putting all of their eggs in one basket. Bringing in Rodgers' OC mate didn't really have to happen. Now, nobody on offense understands his complex system. The O-Line looks confused, Zach Wilson is Biblically out of his depth and they can't move the chains through the air.

Cherry-picking Rodgers' mates and choices in the skills set - Cobb, Lazard and Cook - were also very expensive moves that relied on Rodgers being around. He now won't even be in the building until next spring. These would not have been typical Saleh and Douglas picks/choices and were all about Woody pandering to Rodgers. Now they're taking up a lot of cap room and space on the roster - some on multi-year contracts - while some of them (Cook especially) aren't fully fit.

Overpaying on the trade was also not "bad luck". We might still owe GB a high pick, depending on how next Spring plays out (although if Rodgers doesn't play again, there less chance of that). Thankfully, the draft picks were offset slightly when Rodgers agreed to renegotiate (down) his contract - so that's not so bad.

But for a franchise that was finally taking the time to scout and build under Saleh and Douglas, they got impatient and went all-in on a very expensive QB legend. Now they've imploded with his tendons!

El Scorchio 12:27 Wed Sep 27
Re: NFL (since 2016)

I mean, most people were saying Rodgers to the Jets would end in disaster- but not this kind.

It's bad luck on a scale that even dwarfs the usual classic West Ham bad luck. If he has to retire that's probably the best thing as it clears his salary from the cap, doesn't it? Last thing you need is all that money going to someone who is under contract but never going to play another down.

RBshorty 12:24 Wed Sep 27
Re: NFL (since 2016)

Bring back Ryan Leaf. Everyone loves a “Come Back.” Story.!

southbankbornnbred 12:10 Wed Sep 27
Re: NFL (since 2016)

Haha! Kaepernick is a deluded nutjob. Even the Jets owners aren't that stupid.

They are weapons-grade thick. But not nuclear-grade.

Joe Namath: 'I wouldn't keep him. I've seen enough of Zach Wilson."

Can't remember who, but one of the big TV pundits rattled off Zach Wilson's career stats and compared them with those for JaMarcus Russell - one of the biggest NFL busts ever. Incredibly, the two sets of stats were almost identical!

Lee Trundle 12:04 Wed Sep 27
Re: NFL (since 2016)

I did joke to myself when Rodgers got injured how long it would take Kaepernick to put himself forward.

I see he still calls himself an Elite QB when he hasn't played for 6 years.

southbankbornnbred 12:00 Wed Sep 27
Re: NFL (since 2016)

Def,

It's awful, mate, isn't it? Invested far too much of the team's future on one man - albeit one of the best QBs ever in his heyday.

This is exactly what some fans were warning them about. He's almost 40. It's not his fault - he signed an amazing contract put in front of him. But as you get older your arm goes and you get more prone to injuries - as a rule. Lo and behold, his achilles pinged in game 1. Freak injury, sure, but one more likely to happen as you age.

I can see this season really turning nasty in terms of the fans. They're like West Ham and they won't sit quietly.

Feel a bit sorry for Saleh, who started slowly as head coach and then really began to build something - particularly on defense - last season. He has built a very strong defense. But if your offense can't even score enough points to win a game when your defense holds the Patsies to 13 points (the other 2 were from a safety) then you're screwed.

I'm quite sure Saleh and Douglas got told Rodgers was coming in - it sounds like Woody Johnson drove that deal. They could have said "no", of course. But I guess Rodgers' reputation went before him.

What made the whole situation worse was then building the entire offense around a near 40 year-old. New OC, cherry-picked skills players because they are mates with Rodgers etc. That's not what Douglas and Saleh have been about. But the fans will turn on them if this carries on for yet another season.

Gotham. Bedlam.

defjam 11:44 Wed Sep 27
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southbankbornnbred 11:39 - First time since I started supporting the Jets in the 80's that I've actually been buzzing, Now it's back to the usual Jets shit show.
Still at least the old logo made a comeback for a bit.
So pretty much the same vibe I'm picking up in your post.

southbankbornnbred 11:39 Wed Sep 27
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According to some "insider" reports, some senior/well-placed Jets folk are saying it could be all over for Rodgers after his achilles injury. I have no idea if that's the case - seems a bit early for anybody to judge that, given that Rodgers doesn't really know how long it will take him to recover. I'd have guessed he'll have a better idea in two months or so, when the post-op scans will indicate how well he's healing up.

He hasn't made any noises about not playing again. We'll see.

In the meantime, the same reports are hinting that the top brass know its over for Zach Wilson, too.

They signed Trevor Siemien - third choice QB in Cincinnati - yesterday with some of their remaining cap space. There are rumours that they will turn to Siemien if Wilson loses the next game, and then most likely flunk the season (Siemien is shit: he didnd't make our roster in 2019!).

What a shitshow. Not Rodgers' fault - but the entire franchise has imploded once again because the clueless owners tried to buy a title via one ageing legend - rather than let Douglas and Saleh keep building slowly.

So that's this season fucked already - everybody seems to be giving up. FIFTEEN straight losses to the Patsies. Hope these awful soap queens sell up soon...

zebthecat 11:13 Tue Sep 26
Re: NFL (since 2016)

What I really enjyed about the Dolphins game was the sheer running speed (and Jalen Waddle wasn't even on the pitch).
I don't think I have seen a defence flailing about and left for dead so often since the chiefs track meet receiver group were creating havoc.
I read that 5 of the 6 top speeds so far this season were set in the first half alone. .

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