Steidten Out

[Massive Attack]

I want this costly clueless conniving cսnt gone. We have suffered persistent injuries to expensive key signings this season, as well as others who just don't cut it against Premier League opposition, or have suspect temperaments/injury records previously known and they're all his picks. He clearly doesn't do his due diligence well enough as one of the stories of the season has been us suffering injuries to key new signings..

Fullkrug £27M - Suspect Injury History 

Todibo £34M (if avoid relegation) - Suspect Injury History/Suspect attitude problems at Barcelona 

Mavropanos £19M - Just utter dogshit (and ironically probably now out injured as well due to concussion for 10 days like Fabianski)

Alvarez £35M - Nowhere near good enough for the money we spent on him looking lost and slow as arseholes against Premier League opposition 

Kudus is just about the only costly signing that's come off that's genuine quality, although even he now has suspect temperament issues when getting himself a 5 match ban for fighting an entire Spurs Team in front of everyone. So fuck knows what he's also like behind the scenes..

Just sick of the persistent injuries to key players that has derailed our season and continues to do so on tonights evidence with Fullcrock, as well as all the unsettling bollocks behind the scenes. There's no smoke without fire and I now make that not 1 but 2 Managers in quick succession that allegedly told him to stay away from the Training Ground. It makes me wonder whether he is our Club Mole all along who has persistently leaked things out to the Media from either within the Dressing Room/Snaps with managers behind another managers back that then coincidentally get leaked at just the right time? A manager who was humiliated in the media for taking at least 2 Training sessions and possibly a 3rd on the last day he eventually got sacked and the whole thing was handled terribly which again points to Steidten and his breakdown in his 2nd relationship with a manager. And he's supposed to work with them, not against them!

On the radio yesterday when discussing Steidten someone mentioned how odd they thought it was to see him down by the players tunnel/dressing room area as well as doing interviews with TNT during the Chelsea loss earlier in the season and they thought good Technical Directors aren't seen front and centre as much as this one always appears to be. He's certainly got an impressive holiday snap collection he leaks to the media as soon as he takes them. 

The longer this season has panned out the more and more I've thought something just doesn't sit right at the Club and I genuinely think he has been at the heart of a lot of our issues. I suppose that's why it's now been known his position is under review and they're already on to him, hence why Potter swerved the Steidten question possibly knowing something we don't about him. 

Or does anyone still believe he's the right man to guide our Club making such big decisions within it?

 

[RBshorty]

Once Potter was through the door. Steidten was going the other way. It’s the “Sullivan Way.!” Keeps the pressure off our Glorious Leader. And everyone is happy.


As you were.

[pulhampete]

Can't say I'm too bothered, but I know I'll be in the minority.


Dharmesh Sheth
@skysports_sheth
Tim Steidten will leave his role as West Ham United Technical Director following the appointment of Kyle Macaulay as Head of Recruitment. Terms of Steidten's departure being finalised. It's understood Macaulay is already assuming some of the responsibilities Steidten had. #WHUFC

 

 

Not too bothered about him leaving, providing whoever/whatever takes his place is an improvement and we can see some progress. 

[wils]

I would say he wasn't doing much, but then was that because of the meddling dwarf?

[Lee Trundle]

Can't say I'm too bothered, but I know I'll be in the minority.


Dharmesh Sheth
@skysports_sheth
Tim Steidten will leave his role as West Ham United Technical Director following the appointment of Kyle Macaulay as Head of Recruitment. Terms of Steidten's departure being finalised. It's understood Macaulay is already assuming some of the responsibilities Steidten had. #WHUFC

[Sir Alf]

Almost every pundit, media hack or journo out there is running anti Steidten stories ( well the odd exception ) or questioning him and his role and that the transfer business is all down to him. No sign of Sullivan correcting them or defending him. He defends no one but himself. 

I have always held him totally responsible for the enormous underachievement these last 14-15 years and for deceiving fans over the Olympic Stadium. His motivation was personal wealth which I suppose he wouldnt say but him and Gold did a number on the fans. 

[El Scorchio]

Trip smith and 'other investors' don;t give Sullivan enough power. only one of the two biggies does. BUT Kretinsky and the Golds hold enough between them to completely neuter Sullivan. I just feel there's something murky keeping Sullivan 'in power.'

i can't say with any authority, but it's been widely spoken of that sullivan has the power of veto over certain big decisions, which he wields like a soviet era MAD policy. i think combined with his largest shareholder status and cronies on the director board gives him power beyond the mere percentages.

and that's probably the least dodgy part of it. he's clearly not afraid to get his hands dirty as anyone who remembers the pre-march RWHFAG intervention and immediate about face will remember.

Yes, there just has to be something like that in play. I just can't understand how the other owners would want to go along with some of the decisions that get taken which seem so self serving for Sullivan and not in anyone else's or even the club's interests. I could definitely see him having the power of veto over any manager hiring or firing and I refuse to believe they all agreed Moyes should have stayed as long as he did, or that Lop should have been appointed. 

And you're right that I'm sure he doesn't think twice about playing dirty with certain things where he can get away with it. Leaking info to certain media sources to paint certain narratives or try and achieve certain outcomes is certainly something that seems to happen regularly. 

[Takashi Miike]

Got to admit that story about jwp being upset vice captaincy was taken away and wanted a move sounds like absolute bollocks.

not my fucking story, just passing on what I heard. go and pay that squeaky voiced fucker for 'Official News'

[factory seconds]

Trip smith and 'other investors' don;t give Sullivan enough power. only one of the two biggies does. BUT Kretinsky and the Golds hold enough between them to completely neuter Sullivan. I just feel there's something murky keeping Sullivan 'in power.'

i can't say with any authority, but it's been widely spoken of that sullivan has the power of veto over certain big decisions, which he wields like a soviet era MAD policy. i think combined with his largest shareholder status and cronies on the director board gives him power beyond the mere percentages.

and that's probably the least dodgy part of it. he's clearly not afraid to get his hands dirty as anyone who remembers the pre-march RWHFAG intervention and immediate about face will remember.

[cholo]

Got to admit that story about jwp being upset vice captaincy was taken away and wanted a move sounds like absolute bollocks.

[El Scorchio]

What is Sullivan's agenda? Why is he allowing this confusion and toxicity to continue? Why was Tim brought Tim in but Sullivan never once openly stood by that decision in a verbal statement?

it all makes sense when you realise that steidten is the proxy of kretinsky, and all the suggestions he's on his way out are just wishful thinking on sullivan's part. we effectively have two rival technical directors, one who owns a third of the shares, one who is the delegate of the bloke who owns about 25% of them.

the real intrigue is in what's going on comes from the floating voters holding gold's shares. it's an open secret that beyond business they weren't exactly chummy with each other and there's no reason to think that the gold family shares with mindlessly vote en-bloc with sullivan, who i think is largely at the mercy of how involved kretinsky wants to get. between brady, his idiot sons and (unofficially) salthouse, sullivan has done well to stuff the board of directors with his various allies, but the lopetegui fuckup has only added to his portfolio of failure.

But I think they would have ousted or outvoted Sullivan by now if they could. (Assuming they were aligned in thinking) I wonder if there's a tacit agreement or some bit of contractual stuff that the Gold family's vote in absentia of DG just goes along with Sullivan's decision. All it takes is Gold's shares and Kretinsky to go against Sullivan and he's powerless, but yet that's clearly not happening with anything. They must be able to see clearly what Sullivan is doing with regard to every action. They can't just be content to sit back and let him do what he pleases with their massive investment when some is clearly just self interest on his part over the interests of the group's investment and the health of the club. Sullivan needs either the Golds or Kretinsky to side with him to get anything done (unless as I said there's some agreement or contractual bit compelling one of them to always side with him which seems like something he'd try and insist on given how slimy he is and how you know he wouldn't cede the power)

David Sullivan 38.8%
1890s holdings a.s** 27.0%
Vanessa Gold on behalf of the Family Trust 25.1%
WHU LLC* 8.0%
Other investors 1.1%

*The ultimate owner of WHU LLC is J Albert Smith.
** The ultimate owner of 1890s holdings a.s is Daniel Křetínský.

Trip smith and 'other investors' don;t give Sullivan enough power. only one of the two biggies does. BUT Kretinsky and the Golds hold enough between them to completely neuter Sullivan. I just feel there's something murky keeping Sullivan 'in power.' 

[factory seconds]

What is Sullivan's agenda? Why is he allowing this confusion and toxicity to continue? Why was Tim brought Tim in but Sullivan never once openly stood by that decision in a verbal statement?

it all makes sense when you realise that steidten is the proxy of kretinsky, and all the suggestions he's on his way out are just wishful thinking on sullivan's part. we effectively have two rival technical directors, one who owns a third of the shares, one who is the delegate of the bloke who owns about 25% of them.

the real intrigue is in what's going on comes from the floating voters holding gold's shares. it's an open secret that beyond business they weren't exactly chummy with each other and there's no reason to think that the gold family shares with mindlessly vote en-bloc with sullivan, who i think is largely at the mercy of how involved kretinsky wants to get. between brady, his idiot sons and (unofficially) salthouse, sullivan has done well to stuff the board of directors with his various allies, but the lopetegui fuckup has only added to his portfolio of failure.

[El Scorchio]

To be fair, RE a striker, TS was going for Duran in the summer and circumstance and mainly Sullivan (of course) put paid to that happening.

Bloke has 12 in 26 this season. For the sake of quibbling over 5 million quid that's a big miss. And now if we wanted to go back in for him the price is far higher and some really big clubs are sniffing around.

Classic Sullivan move that. Play the cheapskate and pay more than what you'd have ever saved later anyway, to dig yourself out of the hole you created in the first place by being a tightarse.

[Manuel]

He got upset because he had the vice captaincy taken away from him? Not buying that. Hardly the greatest honour to bestow upon a player is it.

As we have seen in the past on here, players seem to get better when they ain't playing. He can stay where he is, on Forest's bench.

[Russ of the BML]

Really don't see the point of recalling JWP myself. But if Potter see's him ahead of Rodriguez and Alvarez then I will leave that to the gaffer. 

[Massive Attack]

watched a fan channel a few weeks ago (not C&B), a contributor on there said JWP was promised the vice captain role early on in pre-season, then for whatever reason, it was taken away from him (no idea why, but the player wasn't happy and it was decided it be best he go out on loan). other than finding a willing club, nothing to do with steidten

Who promised him the Vice-Captain role?

[Takashi Miike]

watched a fan channel a few weeks ago (not C&B), a contributor on there said JWP was promised the vice captain role early on in pre-season, then for whatever reason, it was taken away from him (no idea why, but the player wasn't happy and it was decided it be best he go out on loan). other than finding a willing club, nothing to do with steidten

[Massive Attack]

I’d like to see JWP back here. Don’t think he ever got a fair crack at it. Would have loved to see him score from a free kick too.

Yep, I thought it was a stupid decision to Loan him out for the sake of getting back £5M. He was an important member of the Squad last season and always rated him. If it was Lopetegui's decision to Loan him out then the Club need to get him back now he's gone.

It was Lopetegui's decision to ship him out on loan.


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I couldn't find anything that confirmed that, that's why I asked. And having known how much Steidten never wanted Ward-Prowse here in the firsr place, it got me wondering whether it was actually Steidtens decision to loan him out for a significant Loan fee.

We lack some quality in Midfield and would personally recall him and at least ask the question to Forest but I strongly doubt the will is there to do it in any case, especially as Steidten never rated him. He scored and assisted so many goals for us last season we miss his contribution and especially on all Set-pieces.

[stubbo]

I’d like to see JWP back here. Don’t think he ever got a fair crack at it. Would have loved to see him score from a free kick too.

Yep, I thought it was a stupid decision to Loan him out for the sake of getting back £5M. He was an important member of the Squad last season and always rated him. If it was Lopetegui's decision to Loan him out then the Club need to get him back now he's gone.

It was Lopetegui's decision to ship him out on loan. It's down to Forest whether we can get him back (both clubs have to want to end the loan)...as well as Potter having to decide if he's a player he wants back in the squad and believes he could utilise.

Personally I don't see where he would fit. He can't play 10, he can't play 6 (Potter's typical system is two 10s and two 6s). He can't play wing back.

He's just a player who doesn't really fit the system we were trying with Lopetegui, or the one Potter will look to implement.  Our best bet with JWP would be flogging him to Moyes at the end of the season. 

Leave him to sit on Forest's bench as opposed to being an ineffective squad member sitting on our bench or in our stands.

We have sooooo many central mids currently...Irving, Soler, Paqueta, Soucek, Rodriguez, Alvarez, Orford...we need to shift a couple out and get someone younger and more mobile...not being back another aged, average central midfielder that doesn't really fit.

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[Massive Attack]

I’d like to see JWP back here. Don’t think he ever got a fair crack at it. Would have loved to see him score from a free kick too.

Yep, I thought it was a stupid decision to Loan him out for the sake of getting back £5M. He was an important member of the Squad last season and always rated him. If it was Lopetegui's decision to Loan him out then the Club need to get him back now he's gone.

[lowlife]

I’d like to see JWP back here. Don’t think he ever got a fair crack at it. Would have loved to see him score from a free kick too.

[Massive Attack]

Ward-Prowse on Loan for £5M, was this the managers call or Steidtens? I ask because it was well known before we got him Steidten never wanted him and it was Moyes who rightly pushed for him at the time.

Jacob Steinberg @JacobSteinberg West Ham’s move for James Ward-Prowse off as it stands. Technical director Tim Steidten against the signing of the Southampton midfielder, who’s a key target for David Moyes #whufc6:33 PM · Aug 3, 2023

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... h-steidten

https://www.thewesthamway.com/2024/10/2 ... -steidten/

[Massive Attack]

Yeah he was.  But he still had 5 seasons previously where he was out injured for a good chunk of them.

He was never injured at Dortmund. He played three seasons regularly for them. OK, so I will take your word for it he had some injuries before that. But all players get injured at some point. I mean, Massive may have a point, but for me, paying £27m for a bloke scoring goals in the Euro's and not been injured for three seasons, doesn't really jump out at being a disastrous risk. But whatever.....

I'd have never touched him, especially giving him a 4 year contract, based on what he did at the Euro's.  I'd be looking at what he did over the course of his career where he had 5 injury hit seasons, and his only 3 good seasons he had in the top flight.

24/25 missed (so far) 23 games
20/21 missed 20 games
19/20 missed 33 games
18/19 missed 22 games
14/15 missed 18 games
12/13 missed 33 games

We both saw it the same way. He was a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off, so why fucking risk it, especially at the huge cost in wages/transfer fee/agents fee. 4 fucking years we might have to put up with the Carthorse draining on our resources at £90K+ a week. The deal was beyond braindead and to be avoided at all costs.

[Massive Attack]

Forget all the crappy deals so far, to get to mid January and STILL not have a striker sorted is gross negligence.

i don’t give a fuck who’s fault it is, the owner should have been on everyone’s arse about this during December. The moment the window opens we should have had deals lined up.

It’s an absolute joke that something so obvious & so important has just been ignored.

100%

[Sir Alf]

Russ it deflects attention from Sullivan if he does not defend Steidten. Another fall guy for Sullivan because in the end everything that happens at the club is Sullivan’s responsibility. He controls everything via the purse strings and is involved in everything. Its why we will always underachieve while Sullivan is the owner. 

[goose]

If you were DS you'd on Tim every day running up to the window.......

"Tim, how we doing on the striker front?"

"Tim, can you update me on the striker situation"

"Tim you fucking scarf wearing prick - i can see you've read my messages"