Steidten Out

[Massive Attack]

I want this costly clueless conniving cսnt gone. We have suffered persistent injuries to expensive key signings this season, as well as others who just don't cut it against Premier League opposition, or have suspect temperaments/injury records previously known and they're all his picks. He clearly doesn't do his due diligence well enough as one of the stories of the season has been us suffering injuries to key new signings..

Fullkrug £27M - Suspect Injury History 

Todibo £34M (if avoid relegation) - Suspect Injury History/Suspect attitude problems at Barcelona 

Mavropanos £19M - Just utter dogshit (and ironically probably now out injured as well due to concussion for 10 days like Fabianski)

Alvarez £35M - Nowhere near good enough for the money we spent on him looking lost and slow as arseholes against Premier League opposition 

Kudus is just about the only costly signing that's come off that's genuine quality, although even he now has suspect temperament issues when getting himself a 5 match ban for fighting an entire Spurs Team in front of everyone. So fuck knows what he's also like behind the scenes..

Just sick of the persistent injuries to key players that has derailed our season and continues to do so on tonights evidence with Fullcrock, as well as all the unsettling bollocks behind the scenes. There's no smoke without fire and I now make that not 1 but 2 Managers in quick succession that allegedly told him to stay away from the Training Ground. It makes me wonder whether he is our Club Mole all along who has persistently leaked things out to the Media from either within the Dressing Room/Snaps with managers behind another managers back that then coincidentally get leaked at just the right time? A manager who was humiliated in the media for taking at least 2 Training sessions and possibly a 3rd on the last day he eventually got sacked and the whole thing was handled terribly which again points to Steidten and his breakdown in his 2nd relationship with a manager. And he's supposed to work with them, not against them!

On the radio yesterday when discussing Steidten someone mentioned how odd they thought it was to see him down by the players tunnel/dressing room area as well as doing interviews with TNT during the Chelsea loss earlier in the season and they thought good Technical Directors aren't seen front and centre as much as this one always appears to be. He's certainly got an impressive holiday snap collection he leaks to the media as soon as he takes them. 

The longer this season has panned out the more and more I've thought something just doesn't sit right at the Club and I genuinely think he has been at the heart of a lot of our issues. I suppose that's why it's now been known his position is under review and they're already on to him, hence why Potter swerved the Steidten question possibly knowing something we don't about him. 

Or does anyone still believe he's the right man to guide our Club making such big decisions within it?

 

[Lee Trundle]

hard to know exactly what went on, and whether he was ever properly in charge of recruitment.

lets hope harry potters new dream team can finally sort out our shitty recruitment.

 

I fucking doubt it really. A mere third of the signings were apparently his and who even knows whether they were proper top targets of his or 3rd or 4th alternatives after going through the Sullivan 'filter'. The choice of manager was certainly nothing to do with him as we know. It was fairly pointless him ever being here in the first place. 

He was Kretinski eyes and ears while he got the Royal Mail deal over the line. Just to make sure Sullivan didn’t fuck it up for him. Maybe get thrown the odd bone. Here and there. Now it’s all done and dusted. Take this large cheque. And sign this NDA.

As you were.

You're probably right.  He was never a Technical Director before he came to us.  And I doubt he was one with us, regardless of what his job title was.

Let's see now if Liverpool pick him up...

[RBshorty]

hard to know exactly what went on, and whether he was ever properly in charge of recruitment.

lets hope harry potters new dream team can finally sort out our shitty recruitment.

 

I fucking doubt it really. A mere third of the signings were apparently his and who even knows whether they were proper top targets of his or 3rd or 4th alternatives after going through the Sullivan 'filter'. The choice of manager was certainly nothing to do with him as we know. It was fairly pointless him ever being here in the first place. 

He was Kretinski eyes and ears while he got the Royal Mail deal over the line. Just to make sure Sullivan didn’t fuck it up for him. Maybe get thrown the odd bone. Here and there. Now it’s all done and dusted. Take this large cheque. And sign this NDA.

As you were.

[Lee Trundle]

I'll miss the constant leaks to Fabrizio Romano, and the pictures of him in a jet with a player.

THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES

[onsideman]

I think this is disappointing. IMO Tim gave us a more dynamic edge in the transfer market with his ability to just drop everything and get his arse out to meet the player and get the deal agreed. I suppose we will just go back to Sullivan trying to send a fax on an old Zenith machine that isn't plugged in. 

That's all very well if he's agreeing deals that take us forward. None of Fullkrug, Alvarez, Mavropanos or Guilherme do that

[El Scorchio]

hard to know exactly what went on, and whether he was ever properly in charge of recruitment.

lets hope harry potters new dream team can finally sort out our shitty recruitment.

 

 

I fucking doubt it really. A mere third of the signings were apparently his and who even knows whether they were proper top targets of his or 3rd or 4th alternatives after going through the Sullivan 'filter'. The choice of manager was certainly nothing to do with him as we know. It was fairly pointless him ever being here in the first place. 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Trip smith and 'other investors' don;t give Sullivan enough power. only one of the two biggies does. BUT Kretinsky and the Golds hold enough between them to completely neuter Sullivan. I just feel there's something murky keeping Sullivan 'in power.'

i can't say with any authority, but it's been widely spoken of that sullivan has the power of veto over certain big decisions, which he wields like a soviet era MAD policy. i think combined with his largest shareholder status and cronies on the director board gives him power beyond the mere percentages.

and that's probably the least dodgy part of it. he's clearly not afraid to get his hands dirty as anyone who remembers the pre-march RWHFAG intervention and immediate about face will remember.

I'm struggling to think of any organisation where the chairman/chief executive doesn't have power of veto over big decisions. 

Perhaps you could name a couple?

I don't give a shit if people want to slag off Sullivan, or anyone else for that matter, but at least think for a millisecond before posting.

[goose]

hard to know exactly what went on, and whether he was ever properly in charge of recruitment.

lets hope harry potters new dream team can finally sort out our shitty recruitment.

[Russ of the BML]

I think this is disappointing. IMO Tim gave us a more dynamic edge in the transfer market with his ability to just drop everything and get his arse out to meet the player and get the deal agreed. I suppose we will just go back to Sullivan trying to send a fax on an old Zenith machine that isn't plugged in. 

[El Scorchio]

Once Potter was through the door. Steidten was going the other way. It’s the “Sullivan Way.!” Keeps the pressure off our Glorious Leader. And everyone is happy.


As you were.

Yup, and Macauley and potter will be the next two fall guys unless they manage to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

'Well I trusted them with transfers (They identified players before i then decided which ones I wanted to block and which ones I wanted to push deals through for regardless of whether the manager actually wanted them or that type of player) but they've let me down and the subsequent results haven't been good enough (They couldn't work miracles from the position I forced them into while I was busy lining my mates's pockets and my own ones to boot)'

[RBshorty]

Once Potter was through the door. Steidten was going the other way. It’s the “Sullivan Way.!” Keeps the pressure off our Glorious Leader. And everyone is happy.


As you were.

[pulhampete]

Can't say I'm too bothered, but I know I'll be in the minority.


Dharmesh Sheth
@skysports_sheth
Tim Steidten will leave his role as West Ham United Technical Director following the appointment of Kyle Macaulay as Head of Recruitment. Terms of Steidten's departure being finalised. It's understood Macaulay is already assuming some of the responsibilities Steidten had. #WHUFC

 

 

Not too bothered about him leaving, providing whoever/whatever takes his place is an improvement and we can see some progress. 

[wils]

I would say he wasn't doing much, but then was that because of the meddling dwarf?

[Lee Trundle]

Can't say I'm too bothered, but I know I'll be in the minority.


Dharmesh Sheth
@skysports_sheth
Tim Steidten will leave his role as West Ham United Technical Director following the appointment of Kyle Macaulay as Head of Recruitment. Terms of Steidten's departure being finalised. It's understood Macaulay is already assuming some of the responsibilities Steidten had. #WHUFC

[Sir Alf]

Almost every pundit, media hack or journo out there is running anti Steidten stories ( well the odd exception ) or questioning him and his role and that the transfer business is all down to him. No sign of Sullivan correcting them or defending him. He defends no one but himself. 

I have always held him totally responsible for the enormous underachievement these last 14-15 years and for deceiving fans over the Olympic Stadium. His motivation was personal wealth which I suppose he wouldnt say but him and Gold did a number on the fans. 

[El Scorchio]

Trip smith and 'other investors' don;t give Sullivan enough power. only one of the two biggies does. BUT Kretinsky and the Golds hold enough between them to completely neuter Sullivan. I just feel there's something murky keeping Sullivan 'in power.'

i can't say with any authority, but it's been widely spoken of that sullivan has the power of veto over certain big decisions, which he wields like a soviet era MAD policy. i think combined with his largest shareholder status and cronies on the director board gives him power beyond the mere percentages.

and that's probably the least dodgy part of it. he's clearly not afraid to get his hands dirty as anyone who remembers the pre-march RWHFAG intervention and immediate about face will remember.

Yes, there just has to be something like that in play. I just can't understand how the other owners would want to go along with some of the decisions that get taken which seem so self serving for Sullivan and not in anyone else's or even the club's interests. I could definitely see him having the power of veto over any manager hiring or firing and I refuse to believe they all agreed Moyes should have stayed as long as he did, or that Lop should have been appointed. 

And you're right that I'm sure he doesn't think twice about playing dirty with certain things where he can get away with it. Leaking info to certain media sources to paint certain narratives or try and achieve certain outcomes is certainly something that seems to happen regularly. 

[Takashi Miike]

Got to admit that story about jwp being upset vice captaincy was taken away and wanted a move sounds like absolute bollocks.

not my fucking story, just passing on what I heard. go and pay that squeaky voiced fucker for 'Official News'

[factory seconds]

Trip smith and 'other investors' don;t give Sullivan enough power. only one of the two biggies does. BUT Kretinsky and the Golds hold enough between them to completely neuter Sullivan. I just feel there's something murky keeping Sullivan 'in power.'

i can't say with any authority, but it's been widely spoken of that sullivan has the power of veto over certain big decisions, which he wields like a soviet era MAD policy. i think combined with his largest shareholder status and cronies on the director board gives him power beyond the mere percentages.

and that's probably the least dodgy part of it. he's clearly not afraid to get his hands dirty as anyone who remembers the pre-march RWHFAG intervention and immediate about face will remember.

[cholo]

Got to admit that story about jwp being upset vice captaincy was taken away and wanted a move sounds like absolute bollocks.

[El Scorchio]

What is Sullivan's agenda? Why is he allowing this confusion and toxicity to continue? Why was Tim brought Tim in but Sullivan never once openly stood by that decision in a verbal statement?

it all makes sense when you realise that steidten is the proxy of kretinsky, and all the suggestions he's on his way out are just wishful thinking on sullivan's part. we effectively have two rival technical directors, one who owns a third of the shares, one who is the delegate of the bloke who owns about 25% of them.

the real intrigue is in what's going on comes from the floating voters holding gold's shares. it's an open secret that beyond business they weren't exactly chummy with each other and there's no reason to think that the gold family shares with mindlessly vote en-bloc with sullivan, who i think is largely at the mercy of how involved kretinsky wants to get. between brady, his idiot sons and (unofficially) salthouse, sullivan has done well to stuff the board of directors with his various allies, but the lopetegui fuckup has only added to his portfolio of failure.

But I think they would have ousted or outvoted Sullivan by now if they could. (Assuming they were aligned in thinking) I wonder if there's a tacit agreement or some bit of contractual stuff that the Gold family's vote in absentia of DG just goes along with Sullivan's decision. All it takes is Gold's shares and Kretinsky to go against Sullivan and he's powerless, but yet that's clearly not happening with anything. They must be able to see clearly what Sullivan is doing with regard to every action. They can't just be content to sit back and let him do what he pleases with their massive investment when some is clearly just self interest on his part over the interests of the group's investment and the health of the club. Sullivan needs either the Golds or Kretinsky to side with him to get anything done (unless as I said there's some agreement or contractual bit compelling one of them to always side with him which seems like something he'd try and insist on given how slimy he is and how you know he wouldn't cede the power)

David Sullivan 38.8%
1890s holdings a.s** 27.0%
Vanessa Gold on behalf of the Family Trust 25.1%
WHU LLC* 8.0%
Other investors 1.1%

*The ultimate owner of WHU LLC is J Albert Smith.
** The ultimate owner of 1890s holdings a.s is Daniel Křetínský.

Trip smith and 'other investors' don;t give Sullivan enough power. only one of the two biggies does. BUT Kretinsky and the Golds hold enough between them to completely neuter Sullivan. I just feel there's something murky keeping Sullivan 'in power.' 

[factory seconds]

What is Sullivan's agenda? Why is he allowing this confusion and toxicity to continue? Why was Tim brought Tim in but Sullivan never once openly stood by that decision in a verbal statement?

it all makes sense when you realise that steidten is the proxy of kretinsky, and all the suggestions he's on his way out are just wishful thinking on sullivan's part. we effectively have two rival technical directors, one who owns a third of the shares, one who is the delegate of the bloke who owns about 25% of them.

the real intrigue is in what's going on comes from the floating voters holding gold's shares. it's an open secret that beyond business they weren't exactly chummy with each other and there's no reason to think that the gold family shares with mindlessly vote en-bloc with sullivan, who i think is largely at the mercy of how involved kretinsky wants to get. between brady, his idiot sons and (unofficially) salthouse, sullivan has done well to stuff the board of directors with his various allies, but the lopetegui fuckup has only added to his portfolio of failure.

[El Scorchio]

To be fair, RE a striker, TS was going for Duran in the summer and circumstance and mainly Sullivan (of course) put paid to that happening.

Bloke has 12 in 26 this season. For the sake of quibbling over 5 million quid that's a big miss. And now if we wanted to go back in for him the price is far higher and some really big clubs are sniffing around.

Classic Sullivan move that. Play the cheapskate and pay more than what you'd have ever saved later anyway, to dig yourself out of the hole you created in the first place by being a tightarse.

[Manuel]

He got upset because he had the vice captaincy taken away from him? Not buying that. Hardly the greatest honour to bestow upon a player is it.

As we have seen in the past on here, players seem to get better when they ain't playing. He can stay where he is, on Forest's bench.

[Russ of the BML]

Really don't see the point of recalling JWP myself. But if Potter see's him ahead of Rodriguez and Alvarez then I will leave that to the gaffer. 

[Massive Attack]

watched a fan channel a few weeks ago (not C&B), a contributor on there said JWP was promised the vice captain role early on in pre-season, then for whatever reason, it was taken away from him (no idea why, but the player wasn't happy and it was decided it be best he go out on loan). other than finding a willing club, nothing to do with steidten

Who promised him the Vice-Captain role?

[Takashi Miike]

watched a fan channel a few weeks ago (not C&B), a contributor on there said JWP was promised the vice captain role early on in pre-season, then for whatever reason, it was taken away from him (no idea why, but the player wasn't happy and it was decided it be best he go out on loan). other than finding a willing club, nothing to do with steidten