Steidten Out

[Massive Attack]

I want this costly clueless conniving cսnt gone. We have suffered persistent injuries to expensive key signings this season, as well as others who just don't cut it against Premier League opposition, or have suspect temperaments/injury records previously known and they're all his picks. He clearly doesn't do his due diligence well enough as one of the stories of the season has been us suffering injuries to key new signings..

Fullkrug £27M - Suspect Injury History 

Todibo £34M (if avoid relegation) - Suspect Injury History/Suspect attitude problems at Barcelona 

Mavropanos £19M - Just utter dogshit (and ironically probably now out injured as well due to concussion for 10 days like Fabianski)

Alvarez £35M - Nowhere near good enough for the money we spent on him looking lost and slow as arseholes against Premier League opposition 

Kudus is just about the only costly signing that's come off that's genuine quality, although even he now has suspect temperament issues when getting himself a 5 match ban for fighting an entire Spurs Team in front of everyone. So fuck knows what he's also like behind the scenes..

Just sick of the persistent injuries to key players that has derailed our season and continues to do so on tonights evidence with Fullcrock, as well as all the unsettling bollocks behind the scenes. There's no smoke without fire and I now make that not 1 but 2 Managers in quick succession that allegedly told him to stay away from the Training Ground. It makes me wonder whether he is our Club Mole all along who has persistently leaked things out to the Media from either within the Dressing Room/Snaps with managers behind another managers back that then coincidentally get leaked at just the right time? A manager who was humiliated in the media for taking at least 2 Training sessions and possibly a 3rd on the last day he eventually got sacked and the whole thing was handled terribly which again points to Steidten and his breakdown in his 2nd relationship with a manager. And he's supposed to work with them, not against them!

On the radio yesterday when discussing Steidten someone mentioned how odd they thought it was to see him down by the players tunnel/dressing room area as well as doing interviews with TNT during the Chelsea loss earlier in the season and they thought good Technical Directors aren't seen front and centre as much as this one always appears to be. He's certainly got an impressive holiday snap collection he leaks to the media as soon as he takes them. 

The longer this season has panned out the more and more I've thought something just doesn't sit right at the Club and I genuinely think he has been at the heart of a lot of our issues. I suppose that's why it's now been known his position is under review and they're already on to him, hence why Potter swerved the Steidten question possibly knowing something we don't about him. 

Or does anyone still believe he's the right man to guide our Club making such big decisions within it?

 

[Gank]

I’m still completely undecided on this. I was happy with all of the signings at the time but agree that in hindsight, a lot of it was wasted money that could have been used better. How much of it is bad luck or could have been identified with better diligence is difficult to ascertain. 

[Massive Attack]

The wisdom to concentrate £107.4M (effectively just over the cost of Rice) of our transfer budgets in recent times is a sackable offence alone:

Mavropanos - £19M
Fullkrug - £27.5M
Guilherme - £25.5M
Alvarez - £35.4M

It feels like the modern day transfer version of Rio Ferdinand by wasting incredible funds (relative speaking) from 1 huge sale on a bunch of either unfit, untried, overaged, ill disciplined or just generally poor expensive quality signings. That lot alone is a sackable offence before we chuck in the Training Ground restrictions from 2 successive managers. And all within the space of a couple of seasons. There's also question marks over other signings like Todibo as well which also looks questionable based on attitude, fitness and ability for the price.

Good riddance Tim nice but Dim.

 

[stubbo]

The German has caused an incredible amount of frustration during his time in East London, having fallen out with David Moyes before playing a key role in Julen Lopetegui’s sacking.

Mission accomplished, consider the job well done!

This is clear narrative. He didn't so much as "fall out" with Moyes as they were not synergistic. He'd been instructed to find Moyes replacement which Moyes didn't like. Ironic really given Moyes was also courting West Ham whilst Bilic was in post.
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As for the falling out with Lopetegui...he was just way ahead of the curve on the blinking cսnt. Warned against him, knew he was a footballing wrongun, called it early, and was reassuring players he'd be got rid of and to outlast him.

The "falls out with managers" stuff is Sullivan propaganda and spin. In both circumstances there were clear conflicts of interests, and if he'd had licence to do his job properly he'd have been selecting the managers he would work with (Hurzeler, Amorim) not suffering the fools that Sullivan wanted (Moyes, Lopetegui). 

I hope he tells Sullivan to stick any NDA and his side of the story comes out properly. Suspect it won't look good for our pint sized dictator and (alledged) sex-pest in Chief.

[stubbo]

Several YouTube channels saying he's got the tin tack? Didn't open them (or post link) as often it's a load of waffle before you get to any substance and then its often click bait and the "rumor" is 

Maybe he's gone, maybe not, maybe sacked, maybe walked as far as i can see.

All in all a big disappointment gone or not, think most of us saw him as a big part of a better future after Moyes went, but has come up short especially with his transfer business.

Ex has confirmed that he's gone in all but announcement. Apparently they're finalising the terms of departure so can't announce it until that is completed, but it's decision made.

His brother also leaving, but Hahn staying.

[Keep dreaming]

The German has caused an incredible amount of frustration during his time in East London, having fallen out with David Moyes before playing a key role in Julen Lopetegui’s sacking.

Mission accomplished, consider the job well done!

[onsideman]

Alvarez starting to look half decent again under Potter. He was misused under Lopetegui imo and asked to cover the ground which he’s not suited to. He is better in a screening role for the defence and more positionally fixed ( anchored ) not trying to be like Rice because he’s simply not fast enough to do it, loses possession, fails to press and easily bypassed.   

Not fast enough, as you say.

Doesn't get up and down, doesn't pick a pass, doesn't have a shot on him, not particularly good in the air. One goal for us so, despite that finish being very calm and assured, doesn't score (or really get in positions to score). 

Anyhow, this isn't really about Alvarez. I want my pearl diver to find pearls, not stuff floating on the top of the water. 

[Sydney_Iron]

Several YouTube channels saying he's got the tin tack? Didn't open them (or post link) as often it's a load of waffle before you get to any substance and then its often click bait and the "rumor" is 

Maybe he's gone, maybe not, maybe sacked, maybe walked as far as i can see.

All in all a big disappointment gone or not, think most of us saw him as a big part of a better future after Moyes went, but has come up short especially with his transfer business.

[Gank]

Alvarez starting to look half decent again under Potter. He was misused under Lopetegui imo and asked to cover the ground which he’s not suited to. He is better in a screening role for the defence and more positionally fixed ( anchored ) not trying to be like Rice because he’s simply not fast enough to do it, loses possession, fails to press and easily bypassed.   

Yep, I think every single West Ham fan, and most other fans too, thought he was an excellent signing when we got him. I certainly did. He went downhill fast but at the time we got him, he was both in demand and playing well, he continued to play well for us and then the many changes we encountered clearly affected his form.

id put Alvarez down as a massive plus for Steidten. He’s done well his entire professional career and it’s only now after a quick succession of three managers that he is suddenly behind the pace.

[Sir Alf]

Alvarez starting to look half decent again under Potter. He was misused under Lopetegui imo and asked to cover the ground which he’s not suited to. He is better in a screening role for the defence and more positionally fixed ( anchored ) not trying to be like Rice because he’s simply not fast enough to do it, loses possession, fails to press and easily bypassed.   

[threesixty]

I'm calling bullshit on that. Even if the players he eventually got were second or third choices, they were still on his list... that means Mavropanos was on a list. Guilherme was on a list. Alvarez was on a list... and judging by the third goal we conceded at Forest, for example, Todibo is hardly the second coming. 

I do believe he didn't want Lopetegui (I mean who would) but perhaps he should have been a bit more principled instead of hanging around and giving his brother a job

 

Why do we insist on digging out the players rather than the managers?
can’t you see that invariably these players end up doing well in other setups?
even saying Alvarez is a bad buy ignores how good he was for Moyes. Or how good Aguerd is in Spain at the moment. 

our managers are trash and we need someone above the managers that knows football enough to challenge the managers. Sullivan doesn’t know football well enough and hasn’t the time to do that. 

That’s the whole point of Tim or any DOF. 

to say to the manager like Moyes .. “why do you continue to play in such a negative way that is nothing to do with how our youth plays?” 

Tim is gone because we’ve had 2 ego centric managers that were chosen or kept on by Sullivan who don’t coach the players they have properly and eventually concede lots of goals and have crap league positions.  

and I think Tim told them about themselves and they didn’t like it and it looked bad on the guy that hired them (Sullivan). So he’s gone. 
If he went because of a punt on a young Brazilian or an injured international striker then most of the league would lose their jobs. Look at Nunez at Liverpool if you want disappointments.. this is what football is. No one gets it 100% right. 

what surprised me is Tim was showing Potter around the club on video. So something probably came to a head very recently. 

You really think Alvarez was *good* under Moyes? 11 bookings, half a dozen games missed through suspension? I think some people have forgotten what a good player looks like. For £35m I want a bit more.

 

 

 

 

The point was that for a long time when Alvarez played under Moyes we didnt lose those games. When he wasn't available we lost the games. So he was instrumental to our teams performance at one point. 

We were all singing Alvarez's praises back then. Now he's a shit buy? Please..  You're saying because he gets yellows a lot Tim shouldnt have bought him? Maybe, he had a lot of cards at Ajax but West Ham is a club that cant get a player with perfect everything. We dont spend as much and we aren't popular enough to attract that. Something has to give, yellows is reasonable.

He is also the Mexican Captain. 5 trophies, 3 in Europe I think. Thats why he was 35m. He's not shit, slow maybe. But his managers haven't been great.




 

[goose]

Kretinski no doubt has told Sullivan he will get a buyer for the club and Stadium. For a price of everyone’s liking. Steidten was window dressing. Let’s see how things pan out in the coming months. If this Amazon deal doesn’t come to anything. We are going to be lumbered with Sullivan. And the long term outcome on that. Is shit.

I’ll respectfully disagree. Kretinsky is an investor and that’s as far as it goes. He could easily buy the club himself and sell the entire thing if he wanted to.

Amazon may well be the hook for an American buyer, but not at the near £1bn Sullivan is asking. Or Amazon is just a sponsorship deal and naming rights that we will likely see very little of. Time will tell.

[RBshorty]

Kretinski no doubt has told Sullivan he will get a buyer for the club and Stadium. For a price of everyone’s liking. Steidten was window dressing. Let’s see how things pan out in the coming months. If this Amazon deal doesn’t come to anything. We are going to be lumbered with Sullivan. And the long term outcome on that. Is shit.

[onsideman]

Apparently source close to Steidten has said he inly got 2 of his first choices in all the time he was at West Ham.

“He wanted Kudus and Todibo, that’s it. Everyone else was second or third choice. It was Tim who wanted Jhon Duran initially, and he pushed hard to get Fofana from Monaco. He was never listened to on replacing Moyes or Lopetegui.”

I'm calling bullshit on that. Even if the players he eventually got were second or third choices, they were still on his list... that means Mavropanos was on a list. Guilherme was on a list. Alvarez was on a list... and judging by the third goal we conceded at Forest, for example, Todibo is hardly the second coming. 

I do believe he didn't want Lopetegui (I mean who would) but perhaps he should have been a bit more principled instead of hanging around and giving his brother a job

 

Why do we insist on digging out the players rather than the managers?
can’t you see that invariably these players end up doing well in other setups?
even saying Alvarez is a bad buy ignores how good he was for Moyes. Or how good Aguerd is in Spain at the moment. 

our managers are trash and we need someone above the managers that knows football enough to challenge the managers. Sullivan doesn’t know football well enough and hasn’t the time to do that. 

That’s the whole point of Tim or any DOF. 

to say to the manager like Moyes .. “why do you continue to play in such a negative way that is nothing to do with how our youth plays?” 

Tim is gone because we’ve had 2 ego centric managers that were chosen or kept on by Sullivan who don’t coach the players they have properly and eventually concede lots of goals and have crap league positions.  

and I think Tim told them about themselves and they didn’t like it and it looked bad on the guy that hired them (Sullivan). So he’s gone. 
If he went because of a punt on a young Brazilian or an injured international striker then most of the league would lose their jobs. Look at Nunez at Liverpool if you want disappointments.. this is what football is. No one gets it 100% right. 

what surprised me is Tim was showing Potter around the club on video. So something probably came to a head very recently. 

You really think Alvarez was *good* under Moyes? 11 bookings, half a dozen games missed through suspension? I think some people have forgotten what a good player looks like. For £35m I want a bit more.

[goose]

People weren’t lining up to put a couple of hundred million into us. I would think a few conditions had to be given by our Glorious Leader.? Any interview is just PR bullshit.( I can’t for the life of me. Imagine Sullivan going for that.!) And relegation would lead to the club arsehole falling out. Certainly at the board level. And of course Sullivan hasn’t got a history of that. And certainly none of spunking hundreds of millions on Mate Rate transfers. 

Relegation has zero impact on the Royal Mail deal. The guy has investments in the dirtiest energy sector around and nobody cares.

Relegation probably harms Sullivan more than DK, so why would he be “hiding” anything from the board that’s getting the club relegated? Sullivan has proven himself adept at building a stable PL club - hence why DK invested.

btw Kretinsky invested in the club around 2 years before Steidten joined, so his investment clearly didn’t come with that particular ‘condition’.

[threesixty]

Apparently source close to Steidten has said he inly got 2 of his first choices in all the time he was at West Ham.

“He wanted Kudus and Todibo, that’s it. Everyone else was second or third choice. It was Tim who wanted Jhon Duran initially, and he pushed hard to get Fofana from Monaco. He was never listened to on replacing Moyes or Lopetegui.”

I'm calling bullshit on that. Even if the players he eventually got were second or third choices, they were still on his list... that means Mavropanos was on a list. Guilherme was on a list. Alvarez was on a list... and judging by the third goal we conceded at Forest, for example, Todibo is hardly the second coming. 

I do believe he didn't want Lopetegui (I mean who would) but perhaps he should have been a bit more principled instead of hanging around and giving his brother a job

 

 

Why do we insist on digging out the players rather than the managers?
can’t you see that invariably these players end up doing well in other setups?
even saying Alvarez is a bad buy ignores how good he was for Moyes. Or how good Aguerd is in Spain at the moment. 

our managers are trash and we need someone above the managers that knows football enough to challenge the managers. Sullivan doesn’t know football well enough and hasn’t the time to do that. 

That’s the whole point of Tim or any DOF. 

to say to the manager like Moyes .. “why do you continue to play in such a negative way that is nothing to do with how our youth plays?” 

Tim is gone because we’ve had 2 ego centric managers that were chosen or kept on by Sullivan who don’t coach the players they have properly and eventually concede lots of goals and have crap league positions.  

and I think Tim told them about themselves and they didn’t like it and it looked bad on the guy that hired them (Sullivan). So he’s gone. 
If he went because of a punt on a young Brazilian or an injured international striker then most of the league would lose their jobs. Look at Nunez at Liverpool if you want disappointments.. this is what football is. No one gets it 100% right. 

what surprised me is Tim was showing Potter around the club on video. So something probably came to a head very recently. 

[RBshorty]

People weren’t lining up to put a couple of hundred million into us. I would think a few conditions had to be given by our Glorious Leader.? Any interview is just PR bullshit.( I can’t for the life of me. Imagine Sullivan going for that.!) And relegation would lead to the club arsehole falling out. Certainly at the board level. And of course Sullivan hasn’t got a history of that. And certainly none of spunking hundreds of millions on Mate Rate transfers. 

[Nutsin]

Personally I’m glad he has gone. The manager should have final say on who his head scout should be and who he brings in to the squad. 

Hopefully a lesson learned.

[Iron Duke]

I’m not sure if Steidten got a fair chance. Sometimes players take a while to settle in.

Regardless of that, the person to blame is the person who hired him and then decided to get rid halfway through a season.

Over the years, we got the head of recruitment from Everton, Rob Newman from Man City, then Steidten. The only thing in common is the person who recruited them.

[goose]

Because not ever issue that happens in a business begins in the accounting department. Steidten was put in place to make sure Kretinski investment into the club didn’t look foolish until he got the Royal Mail deal sealed. And a bit of good PR never harms a foreign investor.

Sorry but that’s complete nonsense. Steidten was interviewed and approved by Sullivan. Sullivan is the majority shareholder and makes the decisions. You think DK arranged for some plant to be parachuted into the club as head of recruitment to protect his investment? If that were true he’s achieved the complete opposite.

How is Sullivan going to make Kretinsky investment look foolish? Aside from relegation, how exactly does the arsehole fall out of the club?

[onsideman]

Apparently source close to Steidten has said he inly got 2 of his first choices in all the time he was at West Ham.

“He wanted Kudus and Todibo, that’s it. Everyone else was second or third choice. It was Tim who wanted Jhon Duran initially, and he pushed hard to get Fofana from Monaco. He was never listened to on replacing Moyes or Lopetegui.”

I'm calling bullshit on that. Even if the players he eventually got were second or third choices, they were still on his list... that means Mavropanos was on a list. Guilherme was on a list. Alvarez was on a list... and judging by the third goal we conceded at Forest, for example, Todibo is hardly the second coming. 

I do believe he didn't want Lopetegui (I mean who would) but perhaps he should have been a bit more principled instead of hanging around and giving his brother a job

[zebthecat]

That is extremely plausible and pretty depressing.

[RBshorty]

Because not ever issue that happens in a business begins in the accounting department. Steidten was put in place to make sure Kretinski investment into the club didn’t look foolish until he got the Royal Mail deal sealed. And a bit of good PR never harms a foreign investor.

[kylay]

Apparently source close to Steidten has said he inly got 2 of his first choices in all the time he was at West Ham.

“He wanted Kudus and Todibo, that’s it. Everyone else was second or third choice. It was Tim who wanted Jhon Duran initially, and he pushed hard to get Fofana from Monaco. He was never listened to on replacing Moyes or Lopetegui.”

I would have put money on that being the case which is why everything looks, feels, smells, and sounds the same as it ever has under these owners.

[Sir Alf]

Apparently source close to Steidten has said he inly got 2 of his first choices in all the time he was at West Ham.

“He wanted Kudus and Todibo, that’s it. Everyone else was second or third choice. It was Tim who wanted Jhon Duran initially, and he pushed hard to get Fofana from Monaco. He was never listened to on replacing Moyes or Lopetegui.”

[goose]

Because if the arsehole fell out within the club. Kretinski would hear and most likely do something about it. Before Sullivan even admit there was a issue. When a company goes tits up. It’s usually the board members are hiding something from the other board members. Which makes them the last to know.

and how would a head of recruitment know that the arsehole is falling out of the club? he's not an accountant.